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Diasoft - i use the Vitus MP Dac and Transport and also use Marten Coltrane 3 speakers.... so sort of vaguely similar to you, and i was chasing exactly what you said more warmth and bass. I went through Siltech Triple Crown, then Jorma Prime and then just last week switched in a Purist Audio Design Neptune cable. The best sound i have had in my system so far. Also very important is the power cable that feeds ur SCD 025. I have found my Vitus Dac is THE most sensitive to power cord changes out of all my components. And again i switched in a PAD Neptune power cord last week and the effect were profound. This was after Siltech Ruby Double Crown and Jorma Prime power cables.
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Diasoft - i use the Vitus MP Dac and Transport and also use Marten Coltrane 3 speakers.... so sort of vaguely similar to you, and i was chasing exactly what you said more warmth and bass. I went through Siltech Triple Crown, then Jorma Prime and then just last week switched in a Purist Audio Design Neptune cable. The best sound i have had in my system so far. Also very important is the power cable that feeds ur SCD 025. I have found my Vitus Dac is THE most sensitive to power cord changes out of all my components. And again i switched in a PAD Neptune power cord last week and the effect were profound. This was after Siltech Ruby Double Crown and Jorma Prime power cables.
Slightly scary that $2k midrange PAD cables best Jorma's flagship wire :huh:. Then again this is all subjective and system-dependent to a degree. But maybe the real excitement is a new flavor?
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Slightly scary that $2k midrange PAD cables best Jorma's flagship wire :huh:. Then again this is all subjective and system-dependent to a degree. But maybe the real excitement is a new flavor?
It´s even scarier that they beat the Siltech Triple Crown, we´re talking about €60,500 for 2.5m :weird: I´m glad for pweg, he´s found a sound that suits him and gotten his wallet out of intensive care in the process.
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It´s even scarier that they beat the Siltech Triple Crown, we´re talking about €60,500 for 2.5m :weird: I´m glad for pweg, he´s found a sound that suits him and gotten his wallet out of intensive care in the process.
Rita Hayworth used to say, "They go to bed with Gilda; they wake up with me." We'll have to wait and see if Paul still feels the same way about those PAD snakes in the morning :lol:.
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without being controversial and starting a cable meltdown, the fact is, spending more money on things does not guarantee you will get the sound that you want.
I used to always ask my dealer whats the best and i always bought it. But it was nowhere near the sound that I was trying to create. Hence in the Last 6 months I've tried a lot of different things in my system and am now getting a sound i really enjoy.
a perfect example is Purist Audio Design. His top cables ( the anniversary line) are silver based cables that excel in detail and speed. They sound very similar to the Triple Crown, but the Triple Crown has even more bass. Both Lines for me had their subjective tonality tilted to far forward in my system.
The Neptune cables have this wet midrange that is saturated and dense while still having a lot of air in the top. The tonality of the cable is much lower than the Siltech, Jorma and even the other PAD cables i had, so u still get a big tight bass. So for the OP i reckon he has to give them a go. Especially when you take into account the ceramic Accuton drivers that his and mine speakers share.
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Thanks for your feedback on the PAD Neptune cables Pweg. Keeping the focus on Vitus gear, how would you describe the difference between Jorma Prime and PAD Neptune? The reason I asked is, In my ss system Prime sounds harmonically rich, warm and liquid sounding. Prime nails the midrange and is well balanced top to bottom. One word to describe Jorma is "natural".
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i would change up the descriptors. In my system the Jormas dont sound harmonically rich and warm. Instead i would say they sound neutral and organic without over emphasising detail and speed. The Neptunes sound blacker, quieter, richer through the middle, and the top end is like this - when u hear a triangle being struck, it rings in a blacker space so u can hear it clearly but it doesn't draw attention to the "top end' as being something different to the rest of the music.
also, and this will sound strange, it helps my SET amps sound more SET.
I originally got the Neptunes to go in my home cinema after discussing with Jim Aud what he thought the best cables were for a rich midrange. Just on a whim i plugged them into the big system and liked what i heard.
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Thanks for your f'back Pweg. I added a qualifier to my previous comment "In my ss system". I should also clarify when I say "warm", I meant on the warm side of neutral, or a little bit warm, whilst the Statement sc's are neutral to my ears. But yes natural/organic is a good way to describe Jorma cables.
Anyway it sounds like atleast in your SET-based system, the PAD copper cables work best which can just be a synergy thing. I know when I was running my heavily modded Ayon CD-5s (as tubed linestage) and Boulder 1060 with my old Marten Coltrane Alto's, I preferred the more neutral (than Prime) Jorma Origo wire. In that setup I was running Origo xlr's, Prime pc's & Origo bi-wire sc's and the balance worked very well. Also synergy with the loudspeakers can't be understated. Magico's graphene-reinforced Carbon Nano-Tec drivers sound a lot different to Accuton-based speakers.
No real surprise here, but in my system atleast I found the sound became more coherent and liquid which I upgraded to a full loom of Jorma Prime xlr's and pc's + Statement sc's (which as you know are quite a bit better than Prime). Also I found upgrading my Prime pc's connectors to cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors lowered the noise floor and improved resolution. My next cable upgrade will be to replace the M1/F1's with Furutech FI-52 NCF connectors, which kinda changes the Prime pc's to Statement :audiophile:.
With the above said, whilst I can't see myself offloading my Jorma wire anytime soon, you've got me curious about the PAD Neptune cables. When I upgrade my Oppo 103 to the new Oppo UDP-205 I'll be looking for a set of mid-range wire, so I might give the PAD cables a try :thumbsup:.
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Ok, I will try Jorma and PAD Neptune XLR cables. When I listened to Magnan Vi and Acoustic Zen Silver Reference 2 I was amazed. It was like listening to two totally different Hifi Systems. I never thought an XLR cable could make such a big difference. The difference in my old ASR Emitter 2 HD Akku/Wadia 830/HGP Fuga ST - System was much smaller.
Gauder Akustik RC 7 Mk2 / HGP Fuga ST / Infinity 9.2i / Infinity 9a
Vitus Audio SIA-025 Mk2 / ASR Emitter II HD Akku / ASR Emitter II plus
Vitus Audio SCD-025 Mk2 / Wadia 830 / Oppo 105 tuned by Gert Volk Audio / Simon Yorke S9 / Amazon1 + SME V
Omtec Antares Phono Pre
Magnan, Acoustic Zen + Aural Symphonics Cable
Shun Mook Diamond Resonators
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I agree, cables matter. I don't think you will be disappointed with either audition, and you may find some good synergy with one of those cables. Knowing your Vitus gear very well, from the Jorma line I would recommend auditioning Prime and/or Unity which are both on the warm side of neutral, or the new Jorma Duality xlr's if your budget is around the PAD Neptune cables.
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Has anyone tried the Furutech Lineflux that Vitus used at the High End 2015
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I know the flagship Furutech cables are regarded as great value in high end terms & punch well above their weight. I haven't used them in my system, so I can't comment on their sound, though i'm sure someone will chime in. If I was on more of a budget, they would be high up on my list!
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So I have to get Jorma, Furutech and Purist Audio Design to my home at the same time (or at all). Fun Task.
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So I have to get Jorma, Furutech and Purist Audio Design to my home at the same time (or at all). Fun Task.
Gathering opinions on forums is a good starting point to give you some ideas. Swapping out cables in a Dealer's system is also useful (assuming they're auditioned on neutral, reference type gear), but ultimately there is no substitute for testing cables in your system. That's the only way you'll know for sure.
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Mellbguy1, Great choice on the Furutech FI-52 NCF's. Absolutely fantastic. Don't underestimate some of their bulk cable choices, especially the new one @$425 per meter. You wonder if you want to pay for the fancy bags, wood boxes and endless advertising or just a great cable...
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Mellbguy1, Great choice on the Furutech FI-52 NCF's. Absolutely fantastic. Don't underestimate some of their bulk cable choices, especially the new one @$425 per meter. You wonder if you want to pay for the fancy bags, wood boxes and endless advertising or just a great cable...
Yeah they're awesome connectors, though the cryo'd Oyaide M1/F1 connectors from VH Audio aren't slouches either ;). I certainly wouldn't underestimate Furutech's flagship bulk wire, though i'd probably buy the finished cables as you know a company like Furutech is going to do a perfect job terminating the wire as they stake their reputation on them. Would I swap out my Jorma Prime & Statement cables for Furutech Nano Flux cables? Probably not. Marten use Jorma cables to internally wire their speakers..the Supreme 2's use 60 meters of Jorma Statement! And those speakers are awesome.
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Well, I tried the Jorma Unity XLR between SCD-025 and SIA-025 and it is a great calbe, great flow of music. But I am going to keep the Aural Symphonics chronos b2 XLR. It is more open with a very airy top end.
Yesterday I ordered 8 Stillpoints Ultra SS for SCD-025 and SIA-025. Any tips were to place the feet under the player and amp?
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Well, I tried the Jorma Unity XLR between SCD-025 and SIA-025 and it is a great calbe, great flow of music. But I am going to keep the Aural Symphonics chronos b2 XLR. It is more open with a very airy top end.
Yesterday I ordered 8 Stillpoints Ultra SS for SCD-025 and SIA-025. Any tips were to place the feet under the player and amp?
Thanks for posting your impressions of the Jorma cables. That shows there is no substitute for testing cables in your system to know if you're going forwards or backwards.
With the Stillpoints feet, HOV recommended using 3 feet under the SCD-025 which is preferable for the transport as that arrangement is inherently more stable. I place two feet at the back, and one foot under the middle of the transport mechanism (see attached pic). For the amp, I place the four Stillpoints bang in the center of the 4 screws connecting the transport to the bottom of the chassis (see pic below). The reason being, that is the noisiest part of the chassis and where you want your isolation feet.
With that said, i'm just slightly hesitant recommending that positioning for the Ultra SS feet as they are not as wide or inherently stable as the Ultra 6's. So my recommendation is to definitely try that arrangement. If the amp is stable and is sitting solidly on the Ultra SS feet, your job is done. The chunky chassis can handle the overhang. If there is any instability with this arrangement, i'd revert to moving the four feet to just inside the four factory feet. Have fun! :)
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Well, Stillpoints Ultra SS are now under SCD025 and SIA025. More dynamics, better 3D imaging, better bass. Much different than the Shun Mook Diamond Resonators. What is the difference between Ultra SS and Ultra 6? Did anyone compare them?
I had the opportunity to use the Goebel High End Lacorde Statement XLR cable. It is the best cable I ever heared, and the most expensive (6000,- Euro listprice). I have the opportunity to buy a used Purist Audio Designs Neptune. But I have never heared one. When I do not like it, I will have to sell it again. This may be difficult here in Germany.
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Well, Stillpoints Ultra SS are now under SCD025 and SIA025. More dynamics, better 3D imaging, better bass. Much different than the Shun Mook Diamond Resonators. What is the difference between Ultra SS and Ultra 6? Did anyone compare them?
I had the opportunity to use the Goebel High End Lacorde Statement XLR cable. It is the best cable I ever heared, and the most expensive (6000,- Euro listprice). I have the opportunity to buy a used Purist Audio Designs Neptune. But I have never heared one. When I do not like it, I will have to sell it again. This may be difficult here in Germany.
That's great feedback following your installation of the Ultra SS feet. I haven't directly compared the Ultra SS feet to the Ultra 6's, but I have compared the Ultra 5's to the Ultra 6's under my Vitus gear; The Ultra 5's have a bit more bass, but everything seems a bit more settled with the Ultra 6's. By that I mean, there is more clarity and musicality. Transients seem less blurred and no frequency extremes stand out. They seem to create a better balanced sound field (vs Ultra 5's). The design of the Ultra 6's is opitimized for placement under amps and front end components, with 5 of the 6 'technology pockets' directly contacting the connected component, with the other technology pocket on the opposite side of the foot where the Ultra base connects. My feeling is the Ultra 5's were never really in their optimal operating weight range under my SIA-025 & old Aesthetix Romulus spinner. Of course, that wont be the case with your Ultra SS feet.
Btw, I use Ultra Mini's under my Oppo player & they're terrific. The Ultra SS are better again under slightly heavier components like the SCD-025Mk2. So mainly what the Ultra 6's will give you is more technology pockets covering a larger area, greater stability (wider contact area), an extra technology pocket on the bottom which removes any residual resonance before it can get to the ultra base & nicer looks. The design (with the technology pockets directly contacting the component) is likely more effective, but i'm only speculating. The only downside is they're $$.
Paul (Pweg) is the guy to talk to on this forum about the PAD Neptune cables as he owns atleast one pair. A guy who's ear I trust told me around that price range there is nothing to touch them. Neptune is great value, but for sure if you want to spend $10-12kUS on a 1.0mtr pair of xlr's, there are better cables. Even cables like Kubala Sosna Emotion should be better. I'm buying a pair of Neptune xlr's for my Oppo UDP-205. Slight overkill at first, but I plan to get some Dan Wright mods later on.
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I have put Ultra SS's under my amps (Triode 300b monos) and Ultra 6's under my Esoteric Grandioso K1.
The Ultra 6's offer great resonance dissipation properties.
The improvement in my system was significant. Tighter bass. Better resolution.
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Any recomendations for a mini network player in combination with the USB Input of the SCD-025 Mk2? Has to work with all formats, 32bit/384kHz and DSD128 (without conversion to PCM). I am thinking about something small like SOTM SMS200, Project STREAM BOX S2 Ultra or Auralic Aries mini. Any experiences regarding the compatibility with the SCD-025? Thanks.
Dirk
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Get the SOtM-sMS200Ultra. Great all in one soulution. You can add the SOtM sPS-500 power supply at a later date to improve it even further.
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