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March 4, 2017, 09:08 AM #1
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Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
Hi all together,
last weekend I had the chance for auditioning Gauder RC 8 with Vitus Audio Electronic. It was a fantastic experience. The best combination I ever heard so far. I listened especially to jazz and classical music. The sounding was very natural with soul. The RC 8 is playing precisely and dynamically but not too obtrusive. The RC 8 was very detailed and offered a high resolution. One thing that strikes my attention when listening to jazz: The warm, soft and rounded but also detailed sounding. I enjoyed it very much.
Last weekend the Vitus Audio players were:
- SIA-025 mk. II
- SS-025 (BiAmping with SIA)
- SCD-025 mk. II
Parallel to the possibility of buying the components above in new condition, I have the chance to purchase two VA SM-011 (mono amps, used; 2 years old; litte bit more expensive). If I combine these two with
- SL-103 Linestage
- SCD-025 mk. II
these combination could be an alternative to the first mentioned combination above (with almost the same price).
I´d love to know your opinion concerning these two alternatives. Perhaps anybody has listened both combinations already. I only listened up to now the Bi-amping-variation and I have really no concrete idea how the monos without bi-amping will change the listening experience.
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March 4, 2017, 09:48 AM #2
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I'm waiting on my SM-103's to go with my SL-103. You may want to wait to hear those. Failing that, a good deal on those used SM-011's is an excellent way to go with the SL-103 and SCD-025 mk2.
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March 4, 2017, 10:24 AM #3
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Since you are from Germany, you may want to visit Polish Vitus distributor, as he also carries Gauder. He has all Gauder models (even those monster, mega buck Gauder Berlina RC11) and all Vitus models (including the Masterpiece series) on permanent display. You would be able to try all possible speaker/amp combinations. He has a great listening room too.
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March 4, 2017, 02:16 PM #4
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If you're considering the Gauder RC8, i'd also recommend auditioning the new Marten Mingus Quintet. The Quintet uses the same Accuton Cell Concept drivers (custom-made to Marten's requirements) and crossover technology as the Coltrane 3's, hence they should sound very coherent and 'live' sounding. A good match with upstream gear would be the SS-103, SL-103 & SCD-025 Mk2. But the Quintet are only a moderate load, so even the SIA-025 Mk2 would have no problem driving them. That is a lovely amp...one of the best sounding ss integrated amps in the world!
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March 5, 2017, 04:49 AM #5
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March 5, 2017, 05:47 AM #7
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March 5, 2017, 09:08 AM #8
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Congratulations! You have chosen a great combination: also Hans Ole Vitus is listening at home with Gauder speakers.
I love the Gauder speakers with class A amps without negative feedback. On the contrary, I never liked Gauder's speakers on the Munich fair with AVM electronics.
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March 5, 2017, 09:10 AM #9
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I discussed the two alternatives yesterday with my dealer. He recommended to use the Bi-Amping-combination (SIA-025 & SS-025) and assumed this combination will be more precise and “better controlled” because of the separation of mid & high frequencies on the one side and bass on the other hand.
In his opinion the Bi-amping advantage (channel separation) predominates more power of the two SM-011´s and that, although the SL-103 is a weapon alone.
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March 5, 2017, 09:11 AM #10
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...and give the ceramic drivers some time to break-in... they need some hundreds of hours before being fully broken-in!
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March 5, 2017, 09:14 AM #11
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March 5, 2017, 09:20 AM #13
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Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond Black Edition DV
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March 5, 2017, 09:23 AM #14
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Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
SIA-025 & SS-025 I suppose, or?
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March 5, 2017, 09:27 AM #15
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Correct! With that We played that combination at extremely high volumes (107 db) without any sign of distortion
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March 5, 2017, 09:31 AM #16
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Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond Black Edition DV
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March 6, 2017, 07:52 AM #17
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I have not heard the SIA-025 or the SS-025, the SM-011 should be the better sounding power amp then SIA-025 & SS-025 and it has about 40 odd watts of class A power. The SL-103 is the latest pre amp, which should a better pre amp than the one in SIA-025. Personally I would be going down the SM-011 & SL-103 route. I own the SM-011 and use them with my Magico and love the sound they produce. Off course if you can listen to the two combination and see which you pefer.
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March 6, 2017, 08:12 AM #18
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I would ask directly Hans-Ole Vitus for a recommendation as he has lots of experience with the Gauder speakers. He and his wife are very friendly and helpful. Either you drop him a mail or you wait to meet him at the Munich fair.
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March 6, 2017, 08:44 AM #19
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Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
I smile silently (is this the right idiom?), because I had the same idea on Saturday after posting here in the forum.
I asked Hans-Ole directly on Saturday. I know him personally after a meeting on a smaller High End session some time ago. His recommendation was
Bi-Amping with SIA-025 & SS-025.
The reason for his recommendation is that bi-amping in his eyes is better, when done right, as the currents the bass draws from the poweramplifier always seems to "cloud" a bit the midrange and tweeter. With Bi-Amping that in his opinion goes completely away. He uses at home SIA-025 & SS-025 combo with his RC 9.
"Alea iacta est" --> I will order the SIA-025 and the SS-025 combination.
Thank´s for your support.
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March 6, 2017, 08:53 AM #20
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Great to hear!! I bet the combination will sound awesome! Please keep us updated once all the stuff arrives ;-)
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March 6, 2017, 09:39 AM #21
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Audiophon, I notice whenever the subject of Gauder speakers comes up, you always comment extensively about those speakers, far more than any other member. That begs the question if you are a Dealer or Distributor, or have some other commercial interest in Gauder Akustic? And if so, I think you should declare that in your signature as is common practice on most forums. Just sayin'.
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March 6, 2017, 12:59 PM #22
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Thank you for the interest in my posts. I think it is quite normal that I comment particulary on Gauder speakers as I own and like them - a part from that fact that I'm one of the very few Gauder speaker owners here in the forum. In addition, I mainly comment on products with which I have a longer experience, as - in my humble experience - it is difficult to judge Hifi products just based on a first impression on a Hifi fair o a dealer demo.
Unfortunately I have to ear my money with a "normal" job having nothing to do with Hifi gear. And, again, unfortunately I have paid for any single product I listed in my signature. I hope this clarifies your doubts.Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond Black Edition DV
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March 6, 2017, 02:38 PM #23
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I' m another owner. Cassiano MK II. Have heard a lot of speakers. Very natural detailed sound with great soundstage also near at backwall. Prefer it against RC 7 MK II.
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March 6, 2017, 08:00 PM #24
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Thanks for the clarification Audiophon. I've had to do it the hard way as well. It's good to see passionate owners share their experience and opinions on this forum .
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March 7, 2017, 03:51 AM #25
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Thanks Melbguy, and compliments for your fine system. I'm sure the Magico sound great with Vitus (which I largely prefer for example over Soulution).
Sorry for the off-topic!
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Thanks Audiophon . Yes Magico/Vitus and Gauder/Vitus are both excellent combo's. I've heard the RC7's under show conditions and thought they sounded quite good, though the room/amp pairing was not ideal on the day. I think I would really like the RC9's, but they're way out of my league. In ceramic drivers, I prefer Marten's approach of using carbon/composite cabinets, current generation Accuton Cell Concept drivers & 1st order x-overs. But that's a matter of preference. With that said, i'm a happy camper with my S5 Mk2's.
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May 13, 2017, 05:29 AM #27
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@AlterEgo: Did you get the Gauder RC8 with the Vitus in the end?? Please post some picture and tell us about the sound!!
I'm curious.... ;-)Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond Black Edition DV
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Audiophon, Is HOV running the RC-7 Mk2's again this year at Munich?
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May 13, 2017, 08:10 AM #29
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I have no idea... I hope so, would be great to hear them with the SM-103
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Thank´s Audiophon for your friendly reminder. Of course, I promised to report after the break in of the loudspeakers. After one month breaking-in-session, I am happy to write a short report on the latest creation of Dr. Roland Gauder.
Short before the Easter weekend finally it was time and both the Vitus Audio components and the Gauder Berlinas RC 8 had been delivered. Since then the gear played 24/7 to the great joy of my wife But the 500 hours of breaking-in-time was definitely essential and have produced a clearly audible improvement in the sound of the overall system and in particular of the loudspeakers. The Accuton ceramic chassis need the break-in absolutely.
For me one of the biggest advantages of the RC 8 is their ability to play music of many genres very well. Regardless of whether you listen to Marla Glenn's "The Cost of Freedom", Hugh Masekela's “Stimela / Coal Train”, Paco de Lucia's “Entre Dos Aguas” or Metallica's “Enter Sandmann”, the RC 8 make every kind of music reproduction to a perfect pleasure.
The soundstage of RC 8 is impressive, wide and deep. The bass reproduction sounds extremely colorful, perfectly differentiated and, if necessary, also really powerful and dynamic. The dynamics can be easily proofed with the recording of Joseph Haydn in the Andante of the symphony Hob. I: 94. The mid- and high-frequency chassis plays with high resolution thanks to the Vitus electronic without being obstrusive. Especially the matching of the diamond tweeter and the Accuton midrange drivers is excellent in my opinion.
It is easy possible to “feel” the recording room with the RC 8. For example the recording of Anton Bruckner "Locus Iste" in the Husuvsbor-chathedral radiates an impressive spatiality.
As you can see from the lines above, I am really happy about my decision to buy the Vitus & Gauder combination and I enjoy the music to the full. Independent of this some decisions still have to be made. I discussed these open topics in the forum already. My streaming solution still leaves a lot of room for improvement and I hope that I will go next week on the High End one step further.
I would love to compare the alternative Adam has suggested
Stock MacMini / Roon / HQ Player --> SOtM SMS-200 Ultra (UpTone UltraCaps LPS-1) --> Intona High Speed USB Isolator --> Wyred 4 SoundRecovery (LPS-1) --> Vitus SCD-025
with other music server variants at my home. The other alternatives I have in my mind are the following:
1. Sound Galleries SGM 2015
2. Lampizator Supercomputer
3. SOtM sMS-1000SQ WinServer 2016 with AO 2.2
All alternatives should run with Roon and HQ player and I will test it with the additional new ISO Regen. Originally, I still had the Lumin U1 on my shortlist. I am very disappointed here by Lumin. I sent 3 inquiries by e-mail to Lumin and no reaction or answer at all. The consequence --> the Lumin U1 alternative must be buried.
Interesting was my telephone conversation with the people of Lampizator. These guys are convinced that their Golden Gate DAC should sound much better than the Vitus SCD-025. Perhaps I succeed in arranging an auditioning for the Supercomputer and the Lampi GG. Is there anyone who has experience with a comparison of VA SCD-025 versus Lampi GG?
That´s a long post, sorry about it, but you do not have to read it completely.
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May 14, 2017, 10:28 AM #32
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Thank you AlterEgo for your interesting report! I'm happy you like the sound of your Vitus/Gauder combo. I think you just cannot go wrong with Vitus and Gauder!
Will you join the Audioshark dinner on Saturday? If not, we will meet with other sharkies every day at 11 am at the restaurant area in hall 4.
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I am in Munich Friday and Saturday until the afternoon. So unfortunately I can not join the dinner. Perhaps I will meet you guys in the restaurant at 11.
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Hello AlterEgo,
did you compare SIA025 biwiring vs SIA025/SS025 biamping? What are the sound differences? I am thinking about adding an SS025 to my SCD025/SIA025/Gauder RC7 setup.
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June 11, 2017, 10:18 AM #36
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Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond Black Edition DV
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Hi Diasoft,
I did not compare BiWiring SIA-025 with the bi-amping option before I purchased the stuff. I only listened to the RC-8 with the bi-amping option which sounded very nice for me. Also after the purchase I did not compare it so far.
Just in the moment I am busy comparing three music server options:
- Lampizator Superkomputer with Lampi GG balanced
- SGM 2015 with my Vitus SCD-025
- Purist MusicServer with Ultimate DAC
For this reason I am not able to compare the bi-wiring with the bi-amping option. But if you want, I will do this after I am back from a short holiday break next week. If you want you are invited to join me for this comparison.
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David, What are you hearing about the SIA-030?? I hear 4th quarter and that's all I can get...
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Hans is understandably tight-lipped about the new amp given competition from the likes of Soulution & Absolare. But what I do know is it will have a larger chassis (approx the size of the RI-100), will be more powerful with around 30 watts Class A & 200 watts Class A/B & be based on their latest circuit design, including the SL-103. The optional dac would be close to the SCD-025 Mk2, but but not 100% as good...more like 85 to 90%. Though bare in mind the final specs will only be known once the amp is launched. It should be a cracker & will be my long-term reference amp.
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Thanks David, One wonders if the extra 5 watts will be all that substantial. Additionally, I'm curious if the DAC will be available right away. Pricing should be interesting. I'm hearing $30Kish. I also hear that they are signing on a new USA distributor. Not usually good for pricing. Lastly, I wonder if they will price the SIA-025 lower...
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Ok, so many points to make here. Firstly the new amp will have a lot more power and control vs the SIA-025 Mk1/Mk2. The extra 5 watts is only the Class A biasing. Class A/B power will be atleast double the SIA-025 Mk1. Secondly, Vitus measure power in 'true RMS' which is a tougher metric compared to other manufacturers which publish bs specs. For example, 30 watts of Vitus power would destroy 30 watts of Accuphase power. Additionally, the new amp should incorporate 'Intelligent Class A bias' like the SM-011 mono's, which ensures optimal thermal conditions for the output stage at all times (a key to Vitus's tube-like sound). Finally the SIA-030 will be a new model in the product lineup & won't replace the SIA-025, hence the pricing of the 025 shouldn't change in the short term. I'm unsure if/when the dac option will be available. To be fair, Magico give much less information about future product releases, so I can't really blame Vitus for keeping a lid on it.
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Thanks. A lot to think about.
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Yesterday evening I connected the SIA-025 alone with the RC 8 (but only single-wired without BiWiring because lack of suitable cables) in order to compare the performance with the BiAmping-version incl. SS-025.
The BiAmping plays in a different league. Tweeter and midrange are more clearly structured without being intrusive. The bass is more crisp and dark. The entire playback is clear structured, has a pleasant volume and I heard a more natural, liquid reproduction with a lot of texture and detail with BiAmping.
With the SIA-025 alone the system sounds for me more "one-dimensional" compared with the BiAmpin-version. One-dimensional in this context should not mean "bad" but only not as good as the biamping-version. Hope that make sense.
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June 20, 2017, 02:11 AM #44
Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
Hi AlterEgo,
Thank you for your comparison. At what volumes do you listen? Might it just be that the SIA 25 just hasn't enough power for the demanding RC8? Or do you hear the same difference also at moderate listening levels?
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June 20, 2017, 07:15 AM #45
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Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
I listened with both volume levels, first moderate and then in a second round a bit louder. The basic difference could be heard in both scenarios, but much more clearly when listening louder. The main audible difference could be found in the higher and middle frequencies rather than the lower ones. For sure the RC8 asked for a bit more power than the SIA-025 alone can deliver. The latter applies especially for the bass range.
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September 17, 2017, 05:26 AM #46
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Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
Has anyone tried the SIA-025 + SS-101 (Mk2) biamping combination? It is mentioned in the SIA-025 manual.
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September 17, 2017, 06:28 AM #47
Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
Why SIA-025 ? To drive the highs ?
IMO the SS-101 sounds better driven full range.Adam
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September 17, 2017, 06:52 AM #48
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Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
Because I own an SIA-025 Mk2 and you can get a used SS-101 for small money.
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September 17, 2017, 07:07 AM #49
Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
I would try the SS-101 hoping it could replace SIA-025 completly (giving you extra money to upgrade other stuff).
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September 17, 2017, 10:33 AM #50
Re: Which Vitus Audio Combination with Gauder Berlinas RC 8
I have two friends who have upgraded from SIA-025 to SS-101.
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