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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    I think it depends on how many records you have and whether you have any issues with many of your records. I have over 5000 LP's, so the high cost is amortised a little easier.

    I have a Hannl RCM and it is very good and very quiet - quieter than the KLA and takes less time to clean a record.

    However

    The KLA does clean a bit better. Records, especially new crappy US pressings definitely clean up better and end up being quieter with the KLA as does some used records I have tried the KLA with.

    The KLA is automatic which is great, however if it is in the same room as your HiFi, it is far too loud to listen to music.
    The nice thing about the KLAudio or Audio Deske record cleaners is their automation. Drop the record in and either press a button or just wait for the cleaning operation to start. Certainly makes one more prone to clean their records.
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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    My 2 cents on RCM and the KL Audio.

    The KL Audio is built like a tank. The owner, Tim, used his experience from his cooling machines company to build this. I am sure some of the vendors and materials are from expertise in that field also.

    There is nothing but ultrasonic waves cleaning the record and at the end it is air dried. Great as nothing touches the record.

    The visual indicators are very good and easy to find out where you are in the cleaning process. You also have the option of choosing different cleaning times and separately, different drying times, all with indicators of where you are in each cycle (although once the cycle is picked, there is nothing to do but leave the room).

    When it is done, there is a chirp to remind you it is done. It goes off every minute or so. That way when you are not in the room, it is not going off continuously and it is not annoying long or frequent.

    The KL Audio allows distilled or regular tap water for cleaning. Take your pick. Of course for purist, distilled water is used. The instructions say not to add anything else but many I know have put in additions, some to change the ph as fat absorbers (fatty items left from new record process).

    The return/warranty process is excellent, fast and easy. Tim even pays for shipping back.

    The power is 200 watts. Some of the other cleaners are much lower. Not that higher is better. If not used correctly, the ultrasonic waves can be destructive to your records. Check the clean out with a different colored vinyl to see if you are losing your record. This is a line I am stealing from KL Audio who did a test with a red Vinyl record to show there was no red residue.

    It is easy to put in the water as well as to remove it without taking it to the sink. The funnel provide is very cumbersome to use. I use the hose stuck straight in and gravity to make the water go from the bottle down the hose (suck in a section, hold it with the thumb, hold the distilled water container higher up then the clearer, then put the hose into where the funnel goes. Gravity does it work and fast!)

    The records come out looking like new. I did have to rub off some larger grime on very old records. I don't know why it stuck on and came off so easily after the clean. Surprisingly there were no marks from where the grime was.

    I was very impressed with the KL Audio as a product, as a cleaner and as a company. Hopefully Tim will produce more record accessories. I have his record clamp also. perhaps a rebranded Lyra or Jasmine cartridge??
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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Thanks again to everyone for all your responses on your experience with US cleaners. I think I will get one, but I need to find the right deal from someone.
    Mark, your not thinking of going "used" are you? I only mention that because after all the reviews written and video I've read and watched on these machines, I'd recommend a warrantied unit. Unlike a VPI machine or what have you, these things are not as user serviceable. As far as I can tell, you can't easily run out and get a plentiful part you need for $30 or $40 and replace it yourself like you could on a VPI or other traditional RCM. If it were me getting one of these, I'd go new with warranty.

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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    I think it depends on how many records you have and whether you have any issues with many of your records. I have over 5000 LP's, so the high cost is amortised a little easier.

    I have a Hannl RCM and it is very good and very quiet - quieter than the KLA and takes less time to clean a record, but cleaning is manual.

    However

    The KLA does clean a bit better. Records, especially new crappy US pressings definitely clean up better and end up being quieter with the KLA as do used records I have tried the KLA with.

    The KLA is automatic which is great, however if it is in the same room as your HiFi, it is far too loud to listen to music.
    Exactly. I have about 400 records and factoring in the cost of my RCM on a bad day it cost me $1.75 to clean a record. It cost 25 cents per record without factoring in the machine cost. If I got an AD or KI it would cost me at least $10 per record. 98.9% of my records were purchased for $1 to $3 so it would be a waste for me.
    However, in your case with 5000 records and an AD or KI it would cost just 80 cents to clean a record. Plus I imagine the majority of your records are not used $1 records so the amortization gets smaller still.
    Like I said, if I had 1000 records at any price, I'd own an AD or KI. The amortization would be $4 per record at that point, but well worth it when you factor in the automation and not having to buy chemicals and everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerrillAudio View Post
    My 2 cents on RCM and the KL Audio.

    The KL Audio is built like a tank. The owner, Tim, used his experience from his cooling machines company to build this. I am sure some of the vendors and materials are from expertise in that field also.

    There is nothing but ultrasonic waves cleaning the record and at the end it is air dried. Great as nothing touches the record.

    The visual indicators are very good and easy to find out where you are in the cleaning process. You also have the option of choosing different cleaning times and separately, different drying times, all with indicators of where you are in each cycle (although once the cycle is picked, there is nothing to do but leave the room).

    When it is done, there is a chirp to remind you it is done. It goes off every minute or so. That way when you are not in the room, it is not going off continuously and it is not annoying long or frequent.

    The KL Audio allows distilled or regular tap water for cleaning. Take your pick. Of course for purist, distilled water is used. The instructions say not to add anything else but many I know have put in additions, some to change the ph as fat absorbers (fatty items left from new record process).

    The return/warranty process is excellent, fast and easy. Tim even pays for shipping back.

    The power is 200 watts. Some of the other cleaners are much lower. Not that higher is better. If not used correctly, the ultrasonic waves can be destructive to your records. Check the clean out with a different colored vinyl to see if you are losing your record. This is a line I am stealing from KL Audio who did a test with a red Vinyl record to show there was no red residue.

    It is easy to put in the water as well as to remove it without taking it to the sink. The funnel provide is very cumbersome to use. I use the hose stuck straight in and gravity to make the water go from the bottle down the hose (suck in a section, hold it with the thumb, hold the distilled water container higher up then the clearer, then put the hose into where the funnel goes. Gravity does it work and fast!)

    The records come out looking like new. I did have to rub off some larger grime on very old records. I don't know why it stuck on and came off so easily after the clean. Surprisingly there were no marks from where the grime was.

    I was very impressed with the KL Audio as a product, as a cleaner and as a company. Hopefully Tim will produce more record accessories. I have his record clamp also. perhaps a rebranded Lyra or Jasmine cartridge??
    One minor thing. Tim is the sales manager for the RCMs; Peter Cheon is the designer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicDirector View Post
    Exactly. I have about 400 records and factoring in the cost of my RCM on a bad day it cost me $1.75 to clean a record. It cost 25 cents per record without factoring in the machine cost. If I got an AD or KI it would cost me at least $10 per record. 98.9% of my records were purchased for $1 to $3 so it would be a waste for me.
    However, in your case with 5000 records and an AD or KI it would cost just 80 cents to clean a record. Plus I imagine the majority of your records are not used $1 records so the amortization gets smaller still.
    Like I said, if I had 1000 records at any price, I'd own an AD or KI. The amortization would be $4 per record at that point, but well worth it when you factor in the automation and not having to buy chemicals and everything.
    I have have often thought that because of the price and use of the RCM, it should be a shared resource. 4 audiophiles purchase it and each get it for 3 months in a year. That way the Ultrasonic cleaners would only be $1,000 each. Perhaps the 1st person pays and extra $100, the next extra $50, the next less $50 and the last less $100. Patience pays off. Or start with 1 month each in the begining and they begin the 3 month rotation.
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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor View Post
    One minor thing. Tim is the sales manager for the RCMs; Peter Cheon is the designer.

    Yes, in deed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MerrillAudio View Post
    I have have often thought that because of the price and use of the RCM, it should be a shared resource. 4 audiophiles purchase it and each get it for 3 months in a year. That way the Ultrasonic cleaners would only be $1,000 each. Perhaps the 1st person pays and extra $100, the next extra $50, the next less $50 and the last less $100. Patience pays off. Or start with 1 month each in the begining and they begin the 3 month rotation.
    That's exactly what I suggested. Same goes with some other audio accessories. Or audio clubs can pitch in and buy one.

    I also think there's a guy now who's going around ps to different cities offering to clean LPs with the US machine. There was something about that recently posted on PFO. I'll see if I can look that out later!
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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered a new Klaudio RCM today !

    I love my vinyl and want to get the most out of the grooves, and with retirement coming up, I should be set as far as my vinyl system goes.

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    Re: Ultrasonic Record Cleaners ???

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Well, I bit the bullet and ordered a new Klaudio RCM today !

    I love my vinyl and want to get the most out of the grooves, and with retirement coming up, I should be set as far as my vinyl system goes.

    Congratulations Mark. You made a wise choice.

    Dre

 

 
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