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March 14, 2016, 07:16 PM #1
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SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
In my listening room I have carpet over pad over cement.
I would be interested in hearing what other sharks have used under their speakers. And the results of any of their trials.
Spikes, wood platforms, isolation material ETC ETC.My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
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Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 14, 2016, 07:23 PM #2
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
It depends on what your objectives are. Raising the speaker for proper ear height? Minimizing a bass resonance? Decoupling the speaker completely from the floor?
When I had my Raidho's, although nothing ultimately worked, the granite slabs helped. With my Focal Scala V2's, the bass really tightened up with Stillpoints (because spiking into my wood floors was not an option!)
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March 14, 2016, 07:35 PM #3
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Thanks Mike for the insight.
I am a snow bird and have recently purchased these speakers and had them shipped to my northern home. I have not heard them in my room yet and am just getting ideas from others to be prepared.
My room has been very problematic so while gone I had some bulkheads and other built-ins removed that I believe were affecting the acoustics of the space.
I am very anxious to hear both the room corrections and the new speakers.My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 14, 2016, 07:37 PM #4
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
What new speakers?
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March 14, 2016, 07:44 PM #5
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
The SONIST Concerto 4's. They are replacing Coincident Super Eclipse's.
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 14, 2016, 08:19 PM #6
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
It appears to me that those have spikes. You may want to ensure you have the stuffed animal however. There might be some magic there.
I would think that would be best.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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March 14, 2016, 08:50 PM #7
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I have carpet over pad over cement too. When I had Dyn C1's the spikes were thin enough to go all the way to the cement. That was a lot better than no spikes on the carpet. Later I got the Raidho D1's (which decouple) and they sounded a lot better on granite slabs. Tighter bass more detailed mids and highs. A bit more forward sounding in a very good way. But then I upgraded to D2's and I'm not sure I want to try granite again. I tried granite when the D2's were new and didn't care for it. Now they are broken in the granite might be worth a try.
So the short version - I found if you use slabs or spikes you'll get get a slightly more forward and tighter sound than just resting on the carpet.George
Aavik U300 - Borresen 03 with optional Supreme D-TC feet - Naim unitiserve 2tb - Ansuz DTC digital cable with power box - Ansuz Mainz8 D-TC with 1 Ansuz Supreme D-TC and 1 Ceramic V2 power cords - Ansuz Ceramic V2 speaker cables - Ansus X Ethernet - pARTicular Novus full suspension rack.
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March 14, 2016, 08:53 PM #8
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Bummer, mine didn't come with the stuffed animal. Now you've ruined my entire evening.
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 14, 2016, 08:56 PM #9
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I read through Steve Hoffman's year long loaner review and they appear to be pretty impressive speakers for a fair price. Attractive too.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G2.2, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, (2) Puritan Audio Labs PSM-156 with Groundmaster City, Timbernation rack
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March 14, 2016, 09:16 PM #10
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I am hopeful that they will make the cut. Their efficiency was one of the major factors in selecting them. However they are kind of old school in appearance. But while aesthetics are nice it is really all about the sound.
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Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 14, 2016, 09:42 PM #11
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Earth, Yellow tongue floor on stumps, Tasmanian Oak floating floor, single industrial carpet tile, Spike into Quadraspire QX7 isolator
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March 14, 2016, 11:34 PM #12
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
This is a great topic that I have found to be particularly important. Both of my systems are on carpet over concrete and I've been experimenting for years with different ways to improve the performance of my speakers. In every case, Maggies, Quads, Utopias, AZ Crescendos, the sound has improved with spiked feet directly on concrete. Then I started playing around with Mapleshade plinths. I tried 2" thick then 4" with heavy brass footers. Another terrific improvement in every case. Then I put Herbies gliders under the brass footers so I could move them around (per Jim Smith) and it seemed to improve the sound so I've left them on permanently. Next, I tried spikes from the bottom of the speaker to the top of the plinths, sort of a double spiking scenario and bingo...... That's where I felt the speakers were really able to come alive and disappear at the same time. Of course now the speakers are about 6" higher off the floor than normal so I've built a platform under the listening couch to raise it up. Its sort of like a stadium seating experience and the platform actually isolates the couch and creates an effect where it feels like swimming in the music. I love it.
Ted
Main System; VPI Classic 3 TT, Koetsu Blue Lace Platinum, Eagle/RR, Cinemag SUT, CJ Prem 15 Phono Pre, Modwright Oppo 105 CD/Dac, CJ Gat Ser 2, CAT Legend, Carver BB 305's, Magnepan 3.7i's/Mye Stands, REL G2's (pair), Triton/Typhon, Shunyata Loom, Merrill Rack, Mapleshade Plinths/Footers, Herbie's Tenderfeet/Tube Dampers, Synergistic Research; HFT's, FEQ's, Black Box, Apertures & Tube Traps.
2nd System; Kuzma Stabi/Stogi TT, Soundsmith Voice/Cad Bronze/Koetsu Rosewood Sig, Sutherland 20/20 Phono Pre, Bryston CD1, Cyrus Dac, Triode TRX-2, CJ Prem 8's (upgraded KT120's), Peter Gunn MMG's, REL S3's (pair), Audience Au24 SE Loom, Mapleshade Rack, Plinths & Footers. (Quad 2905's, ESL63's, PK Customs, AZ Crescendos, Utopias, Nuforce R20's, Modwright SWL9.0SE, CJ Classic 60SE)
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March 15, 2016, 06:03 PM #13
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Ted
Main System; VPI Classic 3 TT, Koetsu Blue Lace Platinum, Eagle/RR, Cinemag SUT, CJ Prem 15 Phono Pre, Modwright Oppo 105 CD/Dac, CJ Gat Ser 2, CAT Legend, Carver BB 305's, Magnepan 3.7i's/Mye Stands, REL G2's (pair), Triton/Typhon, Shunyata Loom, Merrill Rack, Mapleshade Plinths/Footers, Herbie's Tenderfeet/Tube Dampers, Synergistic Research; HFT's, FEQ's, Black Box, Apertures & Tube Traps.
2nd System; Kuzma Stabi/Stogi TT, Soundsmith Voice/Cad Bronze/Koetsu Rosewood Sig, Sutherland 20/20 Phono Pre, Bryston CD1, Cyrus Dac, Triode TRX-2, CJ Prem 8's (upgraded KT120's), Peter Gunn MMG's, REL S3's (pair), Audience Au24 SE Loom, Mapleshade Rack, Plinths & Footers. (Quad 2905's, ESL63's, PK Customs, AZ Crescendos, Utopias, Nuforce R20's, Modwright SWL9.0SE, CJ Classic 60SE)
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March 15, 2016, 06:10 PM #14
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Thanks Ted for sharing your trials. I see that you have mentioned Jim Smith. He had recommended using bamboo cutting boards from Ikea under audio equipment. Did you ever try that? Under the speakers?
I have a height issue whereas my ceiling is only 7'3" so I need to keep everything as low as possible.
Your solutions are both interesting and ingenious.My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 15, 2016, 06:25 PM #15
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Here is the Ikea cutting board that I will try either under the speakers or the amps. They are approx 18 x 15 x 1 1/4,Attachments_2016315.zip
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 15, 2016, 08:15 PM #16
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March 15, 2016, 09:09 PM #17
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
As per Jim's recommendation I use them in my system. Like them a lot
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March 15, 2016, 09:14 PM #18
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
good to hear, and they look nice also. I only got two when I went to Ikea, Looks like I need to pick up several more. Paul, have you tried them under your speakers?
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 15, 2016, 09:36 PM #19
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March 16, 2016, 08:19 AM #20
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
OH MY! It never fails to amaze/amuse me at the lengths that we go to in this hobby.
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 16, 2016, 08:50 AM #21
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
^^^ I wonder how balanced that wooden table is.. I think a wooden platter wood be an issue as the characteristics of wood are temperature and humidity sensitive. But it looks nice!
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March 16, 2016, 01:19 PM #22
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I've got it bad alright, Kev! (sort of like a crack habit I suppose.) And I had forgotten about those bamboo cutting boards. Last time I was in Ikea I looked all over for them and no luck. Haven't mustered the courage to go back since; its sort of like a "field trip experience" to wind through the aisles and I'm a little short on that kind of patience. Although I seem to have plenty of patience to spend hours tweaking vtf and azimuth. Thanks for the link and I'll try to order a few on line.
Ted
Main System; VPI Classic 3 TT, Koetsu Blue Lace Platinum, Eagle/RR, Cinemag SUT, CJ Prem 15 Phono Pre, Modwright Oppo 105 CD/Dac, CJ Gat Ser 2, CAT Legend, Carver BB 305's, Magnepan 3.7i's/Mye Stands, REL G2's (pair), Triton/Typhon, Shunyata Loom, Merrill Rack, Mapleshade Plinths/Footers, Herbie's Tenderfeet/Tube Dampers, Synergistic Research; HFT's, FEQ's, Black Box, Apertures & Tube Traps.
2nd System; Kuzma Stabi/Stogi TT, Soundsmith Voice/Cad Bronze/Koetsu Rosewood Sig, Sutherland 20/20 Phono Pre, Bryston CD1, Cyrus Dac, Triode TRX-2, CJ Prem 8's (upgraded KT120's), Peter Gunn MMG's, REL S3's (pair), Audience Au24 SE Loom, Mapleshade Rack, Plinths & Footers. (Quad 2905's, ESL63's, PK Customs, AZ Crescendos, Utopias, Nuforce R20's, Modwright SWL9.0SE, CJ Classic 60SE)
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March 16, 2016, 02:04 PM #23
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I have not experimented with the more elaborate (and more expensive) options of platforms. I have padded carpet over concrete. I have found that in every case, spikes beat no-spikes definitively. The spikes must penetrate the carpet and contact the cement otherwise they aren't spikes. They are just pointy things.
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March 24, 2016, 12:51 PM #24
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I'm in near total agreement with Dizzie on this one. Just about every speaker I've tried in my listening room benefits from being spiked through the carpet to the concrete. The one and only exception have been my Ohm 1000's... which do their best work with their plinths simply sitting on the carpet.
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March 24, 2016, 01:20 PM #25
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Sorry - can't accept the "hi-fi sound" (IMO, etc....) of spikes - ever - no matter what the surface - or the components - may be.
DPT4ME - Dynamics, Presence & Tone for Musical Engagement; MBP (3) - stripped down for music only; Shunyata Omega & Sigma USBs; ISO REGEN w/short Curious USB links; Berkeley Alpha USB; Aqua La Scala II Optologic DAC; Schiit Yggdrasil - fully updated; Ayre Codex dac - updated; Pass Labs INT-60 integrated amp; Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE-2 preamp, Quicksilver Mono 120 amps w/Tung-Sol KT150s; Quicksilver Mid Mono amps w/Gold Lion KT77s; Fyne Audio 703s; Symposium Svelte Plus & Ultra Platforms; REL S-812 subwoofers; Duelund DCA12GA speaker cables; AV Room Service EVPs, Stein Music Harmonizers, Duelund DCA16GA & 20GA ICs; Shunyata Denali 6000S/V2; Tripp Lite PCs; Wyred 4 Sound power cords; AudioDharma cable cooker; dedicated custom room; various GIK & ASC room treatments; etc.
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March 24, 2016, 01:59 PM #26
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March 24, 2016, 02:18 PM #27
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I have thick carpet over wooden floors. I found good improvement with a few pairs of speakers by placing a granite slap between carpet and spikes. Cleaned up boomy bass tremendously.
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Brian
Main System - Rotel RCD-1572 / Rega P3 > Luxman 505UX Mark II > Fyne Audio F502SPs > Synergistic Cables
Secondary - OPPO 93 > VAC CLA 1 MKII Pre > Odyssey Stratos > Dynaudio Audience 82s > Tara Labs Cables
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March 24, 2016, 04:03 PM #28
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
DPT4ME - Dynamics, Presence & Tone for Musical Engagement; MBP (3) - stripped down for music only; Shunyata Omega & Sigma USBs; ISO REGEN w/short Curious USB links; Berkeley Alpha USB; Aqua La Scala II Optologic DAC; Schiit Yggdrasil - fully updated; Ayre Codex dac - updated; Pass Labs INT-60 integrated amp; Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE-2 preamp, Quicksilver Mono 120 amps w/Tung-Sol KT150s; Quicksilver Mid Mono amps w/Gold Lion KT77s; Fyne Audio 703s; Symposium Svelte Plus & Ultra Platforms; REL S-812 subwoofers; Duelund DCA12GA speaker cables; AV Room Service EVPs, Stein Music Harmonizers, Duelund DCA16GA & 20GA ICs; Shunyata Denali 6000S/V2; Tripp Lite PCs; Wyred 4 Sound power cords; AudioDharma cable cooker; dedicated custom room; various GIK & ASC room treatments; etc.
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March 24, 2016, 04:22 PM #29
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Jim, could you share your thoughts on what to use in this situation? I.E. Carpet over pad over cement.
ThanksMy System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 24, 2016, 05:32 PM #30
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March 24, 2016, 08:00 PM #31
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Dan
The older I get the more I know how little I know!
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March 24, 2016, 08:46 PM #32
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I completely agree with you in regard to spiking source components, amps, etc. Also my experience spiking speakers directly to a suspended wood floor was a sonic disaster as well. Decoupling is more in order here. That said, spiking floor standing speakers or stand mounts to a few tons of concrete has always yielded a positive and "more lifelike" presentation.....not "hi-fi sound" in my experience. I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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March 25, 2016, 08:22 AM #33
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
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March 25, 2016, 01:50 PM #34
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Sorry I missed replying to this note.
Rather than getting into disagreements, here are links to two of the QUARTER NOTES newsletters (there are 18, with #19 coming out soon). These newsletters are provided to Get Better Sound owners as part of their purchase.
The first one is more concerned with ACK, but it has some info that you might find of use. The second issue is more directly concerned with the question at hand.
Sorry for the delay!
ACK issue, plus some spike info:
http://www.getbettersound.com/quarternotesv2i1.html
Question about the Best Coupling to the Floor:
http://www.getbettersound.com/quarternotesv3i2.htmlDPT4ME - Dynamics, Presence & Tone for Musical Engagement; MBP (3) - stripped down for music only; Shunyata Omega & Sigma USBs; ISO REGEN w/short Curious USB links; Berkeley Alpha USB; Aqua La Scala II Optologic DAC; Schiit Yggdrasil - fully updated; Ayre Codex dac - updated; Pass Labs INT-60 integrated amp; Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE-2 preamp, Quicksilver Mono 120 amps w/Tung-Sol KT150s; Quicksilver Mid Mono amps w/Gold Lion KT77s; Fyne Audio 703s; Symposium Svelte Plus & Ultra Platforms; REL S-812 subwoofers; Duelund DCA12GA speaker cables; AV Room Service EVPs, Stein Music Harmonizers, Duelund DCA16GA & 20GA ICs; Shunyata Denali 6000S/V2; Tripp Lite PCs; Wyred 4 Sound power cords; AudioDharma cable cooker; dedicated custom room; various GIK & ASC room treatments; etc.
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March 25, 2016, 02:32 PM #35
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
Thanks Jim for sharing your experiences and insight. Always appreciated.
My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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March 25, 2016, 06:01 PM #36
Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
My speaker spikes sit inside Stillpoints Ultra 5's, isolators, regardless of the floor
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March 27, 2016, 12:38 PM #37
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Re: SPEAKERS ON CEMENT. SPIKES OR ISOLATION? Personal experiences wanted
I think generic recommendations like this need to be taken within the context of the system at hand and the specific speakers being discussed. I can definitively say that the use of Herbie footers under speakers are that are not dense in terms of weight distribution is asking for trouble. My 20.7's at nearly 7 feet high are a disaster on the Herbie's since the amount of sway as the footers sit on carpet is nothing short of alarming. Those with small children , pets or klutzy people around, need not apply. Under something like my Q3's, no issues at all.
Coming to the wider issue of coupling vs decoupling, there may be a solution no-one has yet discussed. I use Track Audio feet from the UK which are beautifully machined, have deep spikes to penetrate any carpet pile and more to the point, are available in both coupled and de-coupled versions. To those of you agnostic on the issue of coupling speakers via spikes to let's say, a concrete sub-floor - the Track feet allow you to pretty much have your lunch and eat it too. I use the Decoupled versions under my 20.7's on a carpet-over-concrete base and am quite happy with the results. For those of you on wooden floors, the Track feet come with a SS insert which slides quite smoothly over a wooden surface(but not over carpet) . Can't recommend the product highly enough.
Roy Gregory did a review of them where he talks about the two versions available. There are also simple deep spikes available .
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipmen...spike_kits.htm
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March 27, 2016, 06:18 PM #38
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I had some custom quartz slabs cut to go under my Sonus Venere 1.5's. The stands come with very shallow cone spikes in the rear that would just "float" on the carpet. Putting the speaker stands up on these slabs solved the unstable issue. It also gets them to stand at their proper angle.
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March 27, 2016, 06:21 PM #39
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March 27, 2016, 07:54 PM #40
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I spike my stands through a 1/2" heavy wool rug onto a tile floor which sets on a 6" concert slab.
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If the spikes provided by the manufacturer are long enough they should be more than sufficient with your flooring setup and the weight of that cabinet. If they are too short places like Adona in Central Florida sell ones up to about 2". Another option are outriggers from Soundocity.
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Herbies, Track Audio, Mapleshade, quartz slabs ETC, all great suggestions. I really appreciate hearing about your personal experiences as to what works for you. Keep them coming.
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March 28, 2016, 11:22 PM #46
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Well, as you can clearly see, the OP didn't mention anything about stability issues either. The last time I checked, this wasn't a curated thread, nor you the curator...
The OP asked what people are using under their speakers, and as I quote, "etc, etc..". I posted what I have done with my speakers and why. So I see no point behind your argument.Pass Labs XP-20 | Auralic Altair G1 | Odyssey Audio Stratos Monoblocks | JVC XL-Z411 | Nakamichi DR-1 | Technics SL-1700MK2 | Magnepan 1.7i | SVS PB-1000 Pro x 2
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One for each speaker!!
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