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June 21, 2020, 12:44 PM #1
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Which TurnTable - 50K range?
Hello,
So, as most know I'm thinking of putting together another audio system. I'm attempting to think thru it during the COVID situation, so I know what to listen to when I go listening/shopping.
What is the rest of the system?
So far it looks like Magico (M3) vs Wilson (Alexia 2 or Alexx) and dCS (Vivaldi stack) vs MSB (Ref or Select II). Aurender W20SE and a ACS10/ 24GB.
Pass Amps (X260.8 vs X600.8) and Pass Preamps (XP-32 and XP-27), unless when I listen to the T+A HV series I do a complete turn around ... (I love Pass, but I've heard great things about T+A)
Shunyata Everest with Shunyata cabling as well.
These are the finalists so far - and don't need to be discussed.
The Problem
But, I have a serious problem - wish they were all like this one. My wife has been asking me when I'm getting a turntable. I told her as soon as she buys me some records...
Turntable Ideas
So, in the 50K range or so what would be your favorite turntable and why?
Just to let you know, I'm not interested in VPI at all. However, TechDAS and Kuzma both come to mind. But I'm sure there are a few others that would work very well too.
So, what turntable, tonearm, and cartridge(s) would you consider in 50K range (I may stretch it a little for the right sound ...)?
Have fun. Thanks in advance.
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June 21, 2020, 01:17 PM #2
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well i am not sure about the price and am not a turntable guy myself but had a listen to Clear Audio Master Innovation with the PU being Goldfinger Statement
And that was really good.
But i am sure that someone here has a much better take on these things , than i doFlemming
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June 21, 2020, 02:00 PM #3
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Does your budget of $50k include or exclude Phonostage, phono cables?
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June 21, 2020, 02:05 PM #4
Which TurnTable - 50K range?
Kuzma Stabi R with Kuzma 4 point 11 inch arm, MySonicLabs Ultra Eminent Cart, Pass XP27 (shown above).
We sell both TechDAS along with Kuzma. The TechDAS Air Force V with a Graham arm would be another option, but you are dealing with vacuum hold down.
Last but not least, the AVID Acutus with an SME V 12 inch and the MySonicLabs Ultra Eminent cart is another great option. Shown below.
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June 21, 2020, 02:10 PM #5
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June 21, 2020, 02:12 PM #6
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June 21, 2020, 02:27 PM #7
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We have the SME 20/3 with Series V tonearm and Ortofon Cadenza Black for our reference turntable setup. It's not all the way up at $50k, but you could go for the 30/12 and a Ortofon MC Anna to get it there.
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June 21, 2020, 02:41 PM #8
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June 21, 2020, 02:46 PM #9
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if you want the best and are willing to strech....
kronos pro turntable with black beauty tonearm and the super capacitor costs 60k listprice....plus the cartridge
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June 21, 2020, 02:57 PM #10
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June 21, 2020, 03:06 PM #11
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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June 21, 2020, 03:19 PM #12
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Calvin,
this is a subject i know well, as i have 3 turntables around $50k, all of which i do strongly recommend. but the whole tt/arm/cart packages for each exceeds $50k....list price. my guess is that each could be actually acquired with good arm and good cartridge for in the neighborhood of $50k out-of-pocket one way of another, so i will list them. pictures can be seen on my system link below.
my Wave Kinetics NVS direct-drive is $45k list price including it's own decoupling shelf. i have 2 Durand Telos tonearms mounted right now, and a Clearaudio GFS cartridge on one, a Miyajima mono cart on the other.
my Saskia model two idler turntable lists at $54k, it has a Durand Tosca tonearm and an Etsuro Gold cartridge.
my CS Port LFT1 air bearing belt drive turntable lists at $57k including air bearing linear tracking tone arm. it has an Etsuro Gold cartridge.
as you can see i'm very serious about my turntables. for me to assist you more i'd need to know more about your tastes in music, and your listening culture. what is important to you and what do you expect from this top level turntable you are about to invest in? all of these are serious tools, and not necessarily mainstream choices. none of them were casually chosen.
i also own an MSB Select II dac which is on your list.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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June 21, 2020, 04:40 PM #13
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Mike, many thanks. Those sound like some wonderful systems. All I can say is WOW. And I read your MSB posts on another forum. That and in conversation with Mike are why they are in my list.
I mostly enjoy female vocals - Krall, Monheit, Jacintha, Eeg, Kent, etc. I enjoy soft rock as well, but plan on using that primarily on streaming.
I use to have a TT. I grew up with my dad’s and later bought one after college. At that time I only played rock. So, the above scenario may change (I’m going to at least listen to some).
I desire something that’s very reliable. I do “not” have a dedicated room, rather this will be in a great room. But we have been discussing moving again (just moved last Thanksgiving ) and if we do then I will have a dedicated room.
Many thanks for any more suggestions.
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June 21, 2020, 05:46 PM #14
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Calvin, you probably know at that dollar, you still will need a phono, cables, record cleaning capability and isolation, that will tally upwards of double your budget.
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June 21, 2020, 06:01 PM #15
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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June 21, 2020, 06:09 PM #16
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Yes, many thanks, however that is all in another budgets. If I decide to go this direction, a friend will give me two record cleaning machines (KLAUDIO KD-CLN-LP200 and one more but I don’t recall what it is) and some other items next time he’s in the states. The cables are in the Shunyata budget, the isolation is included in the rack price, etc. So, it all will be covered. Thanks though, I definitely don’t want to miss anything.
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June 21, 2020, 06:36 PM #17
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If I were looking for a $50k TT, in addition to the sound, I would be looking at the aesthetic of the TT. In other words, at that price range I would also be looking at it as a piece of art. I can say the same about other components as well.
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June 21, 2020, 06:49 PM #18
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I'm not sure you can do better than TechDas AirForce III in this budget.
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Indeed, if I decide to go this way, the center piece of the entire system. The complete rack layout will take some thought. I will be going with Adona Rack though. Adona Audio Racks, Modular Audio Video Furniture and Isolation Platforms at Adona Corporation
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June 21, 2020, 09:47 PM #22
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Just curious Joe,
What is prompting such a huge over haul of your system? It seems like much of your choices are upgrades of your current pieces. Definitely will be one heck of a system for sure!
I assume you will be planning a visit to your neighborhood Crack (err sorry, audio) dealer. I assume Mike would encourage you to compare the T+A to Pass .
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June 21, 2020, 10:10 PM #23
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Technics SP10R with Thales Simplicity II tonearm and Lyra Atlas SL cart. you will have change to buy a tonearm cable and such.
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June 22, 2020, 12:24 AM #24
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Hi Randy,
Thanks for your post. I purchased my present system knowing - or at least thinking - that I would do an upgrade rather quickly. I made Mike aware of this before I even made my present purchase.
And yes, I will be hearing T+A and considering their HV amps, preamp, DAC, streamer and SACD. I've discussed this with Mike as well. I really like the Pass sound and wasn't even going to consider anything else until someone else shared their T+A HV experience with me. Apparently, you have T+A and are having a positive experience with it as well.
This said, I'm going to take my time and as you said, enjoy the journey. It may take me a year or so to do all my listening. Then again it may be much sooner. I'll know it when I hear it.
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June 22, 2020, 01:31 AM #26
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Hi Joe,
Here's my suggestion:
Get a Rega Planar 10, the cartridge of your choice, and call it a day.
Use the remainder of the budget to take your wife on (several) nice trips abroad when it is safe again to do so.
And, buy more LPs...
Just my 2¢.
Cheers, mate!
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June 22, 2020, 02:50 AM #27
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Clearaudio Master Innovation with arm TT2 or TTI MI.
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June 22, 2020, 06:25 AM #28
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I’ll add one more, Kuzma Stabi M. With the 4Point 11” arm is as good as it gets. Add a nice cartridge like a Lyra Etna SL and a great récord cleaner like the Clearaudio Double Matrix. This would be a fantastic combination that would give many years of reliable musical pleasure.
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June 22, 2020, 07:37 AM #29
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I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions including the Puma Cat's Rega Planar 10, Elztalbiker's Clearaudio Master Innovation and Mike's Kuzma Stabi M all which I just saw this morning. Also thanks for the PMs by some of you.
I have plenty to continue researching now. Again Many thanks.
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June 22, 2020, 08:34 AM #30
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Hey Joe,
This is great and I also believe that Pass is excellent equipment. The only Pass amplifier I ever owned was a First Watt which I felt was one of the best sounding amplifiers I ever had. A couple of friends in our Audio Club have Pass and love them. I had a couple e-mail conversations with Nelson and have nothing but respect for him and his companies!
I do enjoy my T+A gear, especially the DAC. While I have lower level models my understanding is that T+A retains the sample quality and sound profile through out their lineups. I recommend them to be considered for any purchase decisions in their respective range.
Again I want to congratulate you on your first choices and your planned upgrades. It sounds like a fun experience and something to treasure. It sounds like you are planning out your ultimate system and that is amazing!
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June 22, 2020, 10:02 AM #31
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artisan fidelity HAS to be on any list of this type -- modern and historic turntables in beautiful custom plinths.
however, if this were my "problem" i would take Puma Cat's suggestion but replace the rega planar with the kuzma stabi R + one of the 4-point arms and then call it a day... even then there will be enough left over for several nice trips abroad.
fwiw, my cart of choice in that scenario would be an MSL cart which makes this option identical to one proposed above by mike.
enjoy the journey -- i will certainly enjoy it, vicariously !!
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note 1: the wood plinth option for the stabi R precludes multiple arms -- so, i personally would go with the side wing which then allows for up to 2 additional arms.
note 2: haven't heard it but the spiral groove revolution is an astoundingly beautiful TT... oh man, if i had that TT and the MBS ref on the top of my rack, i would be in audio nirvana.
note 3: have a look at core audio designs racks -- just sayin'viking acoustics berlin r mk2 | air tight atc-5 + atm-300r | clearaudio concept + virtuoso v2 MM | t+a dac8 dsd + kanjiroba diy transport + roon rock
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June 22, 2020, 10:04 AM #32
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Thanks Randy. I really enjoy Pass. It is addictive. Music just seems the way it should be with it. So, it will take a lot to move to T+A. But a friend I trust and who also enjoys Pass was blown away by T+A. So, I'm looking forward to listening to it. I'll be comparing the T+A DAC to the MSB Ref/Select II and the dCS Vivaldi. I heard the dCS on a friend's system and really enjoyed it.
There's probably isn't any right or wrong with the systems I'm looking at. They are all excellent. As you said, enjoy the journey.
Thanks again.
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June 22, 2020, 11:07 AM #33
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Speaking of which, Nelson was our guest at the SFAS member meeting Zoom call this past Saturday. We spent 2 hours chatting with Nelson about amplifier and speaker design. Nelson is very fond of the First Watt SIT amps...
On July 11, we will be having Alex Crespi of Uptone Audio on as our guest.
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June 22, 2020, 11:10 AM #34
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June 22, 2020, 12:25 PM #35
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A friend in our audio club has a dCS. It is ok, but I think I like my T+A better. Granted it is not the top dCS and he is very much an analog guy. He owns mainly MBL gear including the same speakers that Mike has. I am not sure what turntable he has but he does have an ARC Ref 10 phono stage.
He and a couple of my audio club friends journeyed down to LA to check out upper end dCS units. He ended up not upgrading and one of the guys told me that they were very under whelmed. He said he liked my T+A DAC much better. Jon Iverson from Stereophile mag is also a member of our audio club. Last time my wife and I hosted a meeting Jon was saying very good things about the T+A to several other club members. I hear that MSB is great but honestly, I have never listened to one.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 22, 2020, 02:46 PM #36
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I second the TechDAS AF3P. I would get an SME 3012R tonearm or two in good condition and a vdH Master Signature cartridge. I would also contact David Karmeli for turntable advice. There may also be some vintage tables that are better and less expensive than the AF3P if you can find one.
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June 22, 2020, 03:28 PM #37
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Randy,
Thanks for the additional info on dCS.
I've been the researching T+A HV series. The set up is so very simple / elegant:
Amps
2x A 3000 HV (monos)
2x PS 3000 HV (Elec)
Rack
PST 3000 HV (SACD)
SDV 31000 HV (Streaming DAC Preamp)
P 3100 HV (preamp with HV phono module)
T+A uses some special cabling, power accessories (power bars), remotes, and I'd be interested in exploring what their APM Tone Control-Signal Processor could do to improve my room acoustics (esp. seeing I don't have a dedicated room).
Mike may correct me, but it looks like I'd be saving a considerable amount on the digital end of this setup as compared to either MSB or dCS. And that brings up the possibility of improving the TT. I will still have to hear it first and see how the streamer works (I enjoy my Aurenders a lot - esp. the ability to rip CDS), but T+A looks promising. But hearing will be believing.
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June 22, 2020, 03:57 PM #38
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Hey Joe,
Again I want to make sure you understand that I have never listened to or play around with the higher level dCS gear, and I know they have a very good reputation.
As for T+A, I think the May issue of Stereophile had a review of the media player. Either Stereophile or The Absolute Sound did a review of the DAC and Preamp combo recently. I wish I could afford these pieces; to me that would be an easy choice. But if I were in your position I would definitely want to explore all of these various options, dCS, MSB, T+A, etc.
Jesus, this is dream gear in my view (what a system, holy crap):
Amps
2x A 3000 HV (monos)
2x PS 3000 HV (Elec)
Rack
PST 3000 HV (SACD)
SDV 31000 HV (Streaming DAC Preamp)
P 3100 HV (preamp with HV phono module)
To me fit and finish, functionality, quality of construction, etc., very much come into play also. I love the way that T+A states on their website that the gear is not designed to last for years, but instead it is designed to last for decades!!! As you stated, hearing is believing!
I am not familiar with T+A cabling, power bars, etc. I use mainly AudioQuest interconnects and power conditioner.
Obviously, any of the pieces you are looking at, Pass, T+A, MSB, etc. are simply tremendous!McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 22, 2020, 04:14 PM #39
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No problem on the dCS gear. I've heard it on a friend's system with Wilson Alexia Series 2 / Audio Research 160s. I loved it. It was exceptional.
Of course, it sounded better than my system - dedicated room and more expensive speakers. Unbelievable soundstage and detail. I'm going back to listen to some vinyl soon. And he just purchased a spare Pass XA30.8 and has the Everest on the way. So, I will be moving in soon and having my attorney draw up some adoption papers
On a more serious note, I'm looking forward to what his system sounds like with Pass Labs and the Everest.
I want to get out of this house to listen to some more systems. COVID is killing my summer audio plans ...
PS: Thanks for the heads up on the articles.
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June 22, 2020, 06:14 PM #40
Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?
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June 22, 2020, 06:20 PM #41
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TechDAS Air Force III Premium.
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June 22, 2020, 07:31 PM #42
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Kodo The Beat Turntable. I don't know anything about them, but they look cool. There a review on pf.
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June 22, 2020, 08:02 PM #43
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the ta digital is really very good. i wonder why you do not choose the pdt 3100 hv as sacd transport?theyr power amps a3000 with ps 3000 are NOT on the level you are looking for. pass aleph class a is more pure and exciting imho.sure, the amps are speaker dependent, and since you mentioned m3, alex, alexia2.....and the choice between them is music-style and taste dependent.well, you have descibed your music...mine is very different with rather deep house and modern stuff. ok, for me and my musictaste, considering the price, the m3 is too weak in slam and bass.apart from that it is an incredible speaker. and beautiful and small enough to put it in the livingroom. alexia2 has no weakness. a touch less resolution vs m3. still more than enough resolution. alexia2 likes pass amps better than t&a amps. audionet humboldt on the alexia2 is on the level of pass xs series, without the heat and warming up time. if you go wilson, i strongly consult you to audition the humboldt. i dont know about the synergy with magico. the alexx....it is very big and probably series 2 not far away. what i want to say is, lol, with your kind of budget i wouldnt buy any of this speakers . i would skip the turntable for the moment and buy the m6!!! your electronics are on very good level. switching from a3 to m6 would kick you out of the door one single change to paradise. and then you can switch your location or not, however you would have an easy time to find the right (your very own taste) amplification and later the right source.
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Best vinyl performance I ever heard was from TechDAS with a SAT arm and Lyra. My suggestion would be to check out TechDAS AF V premium and SAT LM-09 plus your cartridge of choice for final tuning like MSL, Lyra, Ortofon, Etsuro… that should be reasonable covered by 50 big ones!
For cables in general give Ansuz Acoustics upper level a try D2, DTC and on, specially mains cables do great magic…
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Just curious why Brinkman hasn't come up, are they out of budget?
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June 23, 2020, 04:43 PM #46
Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?
Ok, this seems incredibly obvious to me... just pickup a Rega Plannar 10 with the top Rega cartridge... that will bring you in at just under 10 big ones... leaving plenty to get your buddy a new T+A amplifier ...
Just kidding, just kidding.... (got to have some fun)
I find it very entertaining all the names I see being suggested, yet some very big and famous names not being mentioned (SME, Oracle, Basis, etc.).... also very curious on why not wanting to hear about VPI going into this?
What you really need is the Goldmund Reference II. It is only about $300k .
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But the most unique looking table has to be this , at only $180k the Audio Consulting R-evolution Meteor is an amazing design.
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June 23, 2020, 06:01 PM #47
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That’s funny and thanks for the additional TT recommendations. As far as VPI, I’m just not interested in their tables. And the Goldman would be nice, but as you said it would blow the budget. And I’m not paying 180k for a piece of wood - that probably sounds incredible. And yes, I had fun reading the post.
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June 23, 2020, 06:03 PM #48
Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?
I love my SME model 30/12 with V-12 arm and vdH Mater Signature. The issue is only one arm And SME seems to be out of favor these days. I have to have money for eight years and it is incredibly well built and reliable. It is quite expensive and it does not have a broad dealer network. Are used SME 30 or 30/12 would be a fantastic value in my opinion.
Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
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