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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Ok, this seems incredibly obvious to me... just pickup a Rega Plannar 10 with the top Rega cartridge... that will bring you in at just under 10 big ones...
    Ha ha! I'm having a deja vu, all over again.

    Here's my thoughts about it: The Rega Planar 10 is one of the best-performing and sounding turntables available at any price. Sure, its certainly possible to spend more money on a turntable, but....would that actually result in more musical enjoyment than from an Rega Planar 10? And if so, would that tiny, incremental degree of enjoyment (if one could actually quantify it) bring value for money from a TT costing 8X as much? Maybe, maybe not.

    Look, I'm a guy, too, I like gear as much as any guy. Guys are hardwired to like "gear", "parts", "stuff", hardware, tools, etc. Some guys spend their disretionary income on cars, bikes, motorcycles, cameras, Leicas (see the distinction? LOL), some guys spend it on audio "gear." I get it.

    So here's my thinking: if you want a super easy set-up TT that is also reliable, durable (not the same quality attribute as reliable), accurate, quiet, and...fantastic-sounding, that is a also simple enough for your wife to also use, get a Rega Planar 10. Call it a day.

    If on the other had, you want something that is "ultra-trick", and requires the use of $600 protactors to setup, air pumps, bladders, expensive footers, constant monitoring and fiddling because its it fun to play with, then get a Super Spinner Plus Reference Signature Supreme, Platinum edition.

    Just sayin'.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    You obviously know nothing about TechDAS and must be joking about Rega?

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    I was obviously inserting my tongue firmly in my cheek with my post... however I can say that I am very happy with the Rega table I own, knowing full well it is not state of the industry as far as turntables go. I do also believe that Rega appears to get a bad rap with high end enthusiast because they also manufacture tables for a wider range of audio enthusiast.

    The Planar 10 did in fact grace the cover of Stereophile Magazines May 2020 issue. Michael Fremer gave it a rave review and rated it competitive with tables far above its price.

    "Rega's new P10 is by far the company's most sophisticated, refined, quiet, and subtle-sounding turntable yet. It combines the immediacy, grip, and rhythm'n'pacing excitement Regas have always produced, with the subtlety and delicacy typically found on far more costly analog front ends..." Michael Fremer, Stereophile

    I know Joe is looking for a higher end table and I would never recommend the Planar 10 to him; however for me it may possibly be the perfect choice. My post was very much in jest as I believe Joe took it as such .
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    Analog is not about shipping a big box only. Very important: unless you're an TT expert, somebody must setup the TT. Perfect setting up of a high-end TT is not simple. Without the right setup the TT can play wrong; and you might not even know it. Be sure you have the right dealer for this - a dealer with a lot of analog experience. Brand is not that important - there are many good TT on the planet. The analog chain, TT, cartridge, arm, phonopre - much match perfectly together with your system. Good luck.
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Ha ha! I'm having a deja vu, all over again.

    Here's my thoughts about it: The Rega Planar 10 is one of the best-performing and sounding turntables available at any price. Sure, its certainly possible to spend more money on a turntable, but....would that actually result in more musical enjoyment than from an Rega Planar 10? And if so, would that tiny, incremental degree of enjoyment (if one could actually quantify it) bring value for money from a TT costing 8X as much? Maybe, maybe not.

    Look, I'm a guy, too, I like gear as much as any guy. Guys are hardwired to like "gear", "parts", "stuff", hardware, tools, etc. Some guys spend their disretionary income on cars, bikes, motorcycles, cameras, Leicas (see the distinction? LOL), some guys spend it on audio "gear." I get it.

    So here's my thinking: if you want a super easy set-up TT that is also reliable, durable (not the same quality attribute as reliable), accurate, quiet, and...fantastic-sounding, that is a also simple enough for your wife to also use, get a Rega Planar 10. Call it a day.

    If on the other had, you want something that is "ultra-trick", and requires the use of $600 protactors to setup, air pumps, bladders, expensive footers, constant monitoring and fiddling because its it fun to play with, then get a Super Spinner Plus Reference Signature Supreme, Platinum edition.

    Just sayin'.
    PC,

    While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.

    If it makes you feel any better if I get the TT it will be connected with Shunyata Alpha v2 power cords into an Everest.

    PS: The audio system area is off limits to everyone but me and one friend whom I trust. There is imaginary yellow tape around it - to enter the space even for cleaning would be a crime. My wife only listens when I listen.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by tube-vds View Post
    Analog is not about shipping a big box only. Very important: unless you're an TT expert, somebody must setup the TT. Perfect setting up of a high-end TT is not simple. Without the right setup the TT can play wrong; and you might not even know it. Be sure you have the right dealer for this - a dealer with a lot of analog experience. Brand is not that important - there are many good TT on the planet. The analog chain, TT, cartridge, arm, phonopre - much match perfectly together with your system. Good luck.
    This is why a lot of suggestions won’t work for Joe, my customer. He will require expert setup which takes time and we only setup the tables/arms/carts we sell. Our turntable setup is very involved. We use a variety of tools including digital microscope, fozgometer, the proper jig, digital tracking force gauge and more. We also tweak the VTA for personal preference. It’s also important to recheck the setup after a certain amount of time and usage to confirm the settings and recheck the tracking force and anti skate. Proper turntable setup is no small matter. Even simple tables like a REGA require proper setup. It’s a real expertise we have, mainly because we are analog nuts stuck in a digital world! LOL.



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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    PC,

    While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.

    If it makes you feel any better if I get the TT it will be connected with Shunyata Alpha v2 power cords into an Everest.

    PS: The audio system area is off limits to everyone but me and one friend whom I trust. There is imaginary yellow tape around it - to enter the space even for cleaning would be a crime. My wife only listens when I listen.
    Hehe... we do not have this as a rule in our house. My wife simply does not go near the system. She is proud of it (amazing as that seems) but rarely actually sits in the room and listens. She does love hearing music downstairs when I am listening. Mainly though, she is afraid of it and does not even want to learn about it. I guess I prefer her being timid around it. I guess she feels about my audio system like I feel about her sewing machines.... one of which cost more than any component in my audio system.
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hehe... we do not have this as a rule in our house. My wife simply does not go near the system. She is proud of it (amazing as that seems) but rarely actually sits in the room and listens. She does love hearing music downstairs when I am listening. Mainly though, she is afraid of it and does not even want to learn about it. I guess I prefer her being timid around it. I guess she feels about my audio system like I feel about her sewing machines.... one of which cost more than any component in my audio system.
    Unfortunately, at this time I don't have a dedicated room - but things may change. Anyway my system is presently in the Great Room and so everyone who comes into the house sees it. And the guys esp. ask to walk up to it. I reply something to the extent 'it sounds better in my chair, sit and have a listen.' Since we have the rule my wife can tell those that come over when I'm not home - "No" (though she probably is more kind about it).
    Sincerely,

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hehe... we do not have this as a rule in our house. My wife simply does not go near the system. She is proud of it (amazing as that seems) but rarely actually sits in the room and listens. She does love hearing music downstairs when I am listening. Mainly though, she is afraid of it and does not even want to learn about it. I guess I prefer her being timid around it. I guess she feels about my audio system like I feel about her sewing machines.... one of which cost more than any component in my audio system.
    A sewing machine that expensive. WOW!!!
    Sincerely,

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    Unfortunately, at this time I don't have a dedicated room - but things may change. Anyway my system is presently in the Great Room and so everyone who comes into the house sees it. And the guys esp. ask to walk up to it. I reply something to the extent 'it sounds better in my chair, sit and have a listen.' Since we have the rule my wife can tell those that come over when I'm not home - "No" (though she probably is more kind about it).
    What like, don't F'n touch that .
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    A sewing machine that expensive. WOW!!!
    Yea, crazy.... one of her machines cost about $15k
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    PC,

    While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.

    If it makes you feel any better if I get the TT it will be connected with Shunyata Alpha v2 power cords into an Everest.

    PS: The audio system area is off limits to everyone but me and one friend whom I trust. There is imaginary yellow tape around it - to enter the space even for cleaning would be a crime. My wife only listens when I listen.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Yea, crazy.... one of her machines cost about $15k
    In the world of commercial sewing that's cheap ! Buddy of mine does custom embroidery and has three machines, well over 100k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    In the world of commercial sewing that's cheap ! Buddy of mine does custom embroidery and has three machines, well over 100k
    I know... people think we are crazy, but my wife has two machines which she uses once in a while... while I listen to music every day ...
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    PC,

    While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.
    Hi Joe,

    No worries, Joe. You should do whatever will make you happy and provide the most fufillment.

    Another table you may want to consider is the AMG Viella V12...I've heard one a number of times and was very impressed.

    Another simple, straightforward design capable of exemplary performance.
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Honestly, all BS aside, I personally believe that the differences in high end brands is more splitting hairs then anything else. They are all pretty darn good. The difference from one $30,000 amplifier to another is almost inconsequential. I do also believe synergy is a real thing in that one component meshes better with certain other ones.

    I believe a lot of ones enjoyment comes from intangibles; the look and feel, the feeling a particular component gives you. What I call the warm and fuzzies.

    I think this will hold true in high end tables as well. Splitting hairs... but these type of tables, as compared to something like the Rega for example, takes more care and abilities in setup. Fine tuning to extract that extra performance that is paid dearly for. In this regards your dealer is extremely important. You have the luck of having an analog guru in your back yard (many of us do not have easy access to good audio dealers). What you should seriously consider... that is easy, what does Mike carry (Kuzma, TechDAS, Avid HiFi); did I miss any (I purposely left VPI off).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    This is why a lot of suggestions won’t work for Joe, my customer. He will require expert setup which takes time and we only setup the tables/arms/carts we sell. Our turntable setup is very involved. We use a variety of tools including digital microscope, fozgometer, the proper jig, digital tracking force gauge and more. We also tweak the VTA for personal preference. It’s also important to recheck the setup after a certain amount of time and usage to confirm the settings and recheck the tracking force and anti skate. Proper turntable setup is no small matter. Even simple tables like a REGA require proper setup. It’s a real expertise we have, mainly because we are analog nuts stuck in a digital world! LOL.



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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Reality is that there are quite a few good TTs under $50K. There’s been really good feedback and insight provided here. Impossible to get full alignment here or any site on what to buy but certainly plenty of perspective has been provided.

    - TechDas
    - Kuzma
    - AMG
    - SME
    - Dohmann
    - Brinkman
    - Rega
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    Very good options. Happy shopping and keep us posted Joe!
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    The flattening effect of vacuum hold down of the TechDAS should be taken seriously and is easily heard in most systems and not to forget the air bearing. It floated my boat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
    Indeed I second the Döhmann Helix superb sonics from the one I've heard-I would place it above the higher end Brinkmann's/AMG as mentioned previous.

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    Surprised ClearAudio or Kronos did not make the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Surprised ClearAudio or Kronos did not make the list.
    Many thanks. I'm looking at the ClearAudio Master Innovation. And Kronos was mentioned that it was way over budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
    I'm not sure if I've listened to many of the tables listed in this thread but I have listened to the Döhmann Helix One Mk II and it produced some of the best sound quality I've ever heard. It was part of my favorite system at AXPONA 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    This is why a lot of suggestions won’t work for Joe, my customer. He will require expert setup which takes time and we only setup the tables/arms/carts we sell. Our turntable setup is very involved. We use a variety of tools including digital microscope, fozgometer, the proper jig, digital tracking force gauge and more. We also tweak the VTA for personal preference. It’s also important to recheck the setup after a certain amount of time and usage to confirm the settings and recheck the tracking force and anti skate. Proper turntable setup is no small matter. Even simple tables like a REGA require proper setup. It’s a real expertise we have, mainly because we are analog nuts stuck in a digital world! LOL.



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    Mike, as his dealer, what table are you recommending to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Ha ha! I'm having a deja vu, all over again.

    Here's my thoughts about it: The Rega Planar 10 is one of the best-performing and sounding turntables available at any price. Sure, its certainly possible to spend more money on a turntable, but....would that actually result in more musical enjoyment than from an Rega Planar 10? And if so, would that tiny, incremental degree of enjoyment (if one could actually quantify it) bring value for money from a TT costing 8X as much? Maybe, maybe not.

    Look, I'm a guy, too, I like gear as much as any guy. Guys are hardwired to like "gear", "parts", "stuff", hardware, tools, etc. Some guys spend their disretionary income on cars, bikes, motorcycles, cameras, Leicas (see the distinction? LOL), some guys spend it on audio "gear." I get it.

    So here's my thinking: if you want a super easy set-up TT that is also reliable, durable (not the same quality attribute as reliable), accurate, quiet, and...fantastic-sounding, that is a also simple enough for your wife to also use, get a Rega Planar 10. Call it a day.

    If on the other had, you want something that is "ultra-trick", and requires the use of $600 protactors to setup, air pumps, bladders, expensive footers, constant monitoring and fiddling because its it fun to play with, then get a Super Spinner Plus Reference Signature Supreme, Platinum edition.

    Just sayin'.


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    Mike knows his vinyl for sure, but as you asked, here is a great unit that I heard once and spoke at length with the designer about.

    LumenWhite Mystere TT, $60K. All out assault on the SoTA.

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    " while i don`t want to warm up the old analog-versus-digital discussion here again, there is no denying the fact that never before have i heard this fantastic recording reproduced even close to the emotionally gripping, musically fluid and dynamically supercharged way in which the "mystere" presented it - whatever the digital source, - format and cost involved in those other auditions. "
    "the lumen white 'mystere' is one of the three best turntables, which i have had the privilege to listen to. visually it easily is the most attractive of the three....a veritable analogue dream-machine"
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    50k is a lot for turntable+arm+cartridge, leave 10k aside for a top cartridge, 40k can get you an AF1(not premium), or an AF2premium, or a Da Vinci EQ, or Brinkmann Balance, or Vertere RG1... with one or two very good arms. AF3p is not even qualified here.

    Forget about Rega or Technics no matter how good they sound, they are just not in the price range, just my 2cents

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    I will toss this out for your consideration... I have owned an AMG Viella for several years, and recently added the 12JT tonearm. My former neighbor had the same, and with a Benz LPS cartridge. All this would not be in your range, but AMG supercharged the Viella with the new Forte turntable. My neighbor auditioned it at home and found the improvements to be very large indeed so made the upgrade. Put a top cartridge on there, and isolation base it would be in your price range (forgot if your price included cart or not.)

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    Zitron Python power cables. Shunyata Hydra Triton v3, Stillpoints. HRS. Acoustic environment optimized by Dr. Bonnie Schnitta of SoundSense.

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    Thanks again everyone for your recommendations. Due to no listening opportunities at the moment (COVID) no decision will be made quickly on this. I’m still doing a lot of reading on the different options. Indeed, I’m also attempting to locate records to play on one after I get it, but as I have found there seems to be plenty of options ...

    Thanks again.
    Sincerely,

    Calvin

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    Sincerely,

    Calvin

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    Hi Calvin,

    How did your search for the 'Grail' go?

    I had my TechDAS V premium for some time and it betters my previous Kuzma Stabi R on all points and considering the cost difference it should but there is never any guarantee. With your budget in mind I think this could be a good starting point for your quest unless you didn't find a candidate.

    Best/Mike
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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeoo View Post
    Hi Calvin,

    How did your search for the 'Grail' go?

    I had my TechDAS V premium for some time and it betters my previous Kuzma Stabi R on all points and considering the cost difference it should but there is never any guarantee. With your budget in mind I think this could be a good starting point for your quest unless you didn't find a candidate.

    Best/Mike
    Hi,

    Wow - a TechDAS V Premium must be VERY NICE!!!

    Since I desire to hear one before I commit to purchasing presently I'm stuck. Because of COVID I haven't been able to leave the house - had a cardiac event in Nov and actually have a heart monitor on right now. So, it will be a while yet. However, I upped my budget. After all my reading (if I purchase one) I've decided upon the Kronos Pro LE with SCPS-1. I really wanted the TechDas AF-2 Premium but my dealer no longer carries them. I'll miss not having two arms ... (but researching how someone may modify that on a Kronos ...).
    Sincerely,

    Calvin

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    I would suggest the Acoustic Signature Ascona. I have the Acoustic Signature Invictus Jr in my system and also Bergmann Galder/Odin, Avid Acutus Reference, and Technics SL-1000R. All fantastic turntables, you cannot go wrong with any of these.
    Speakers: Adyton Imagic 2.0 TC (line source), Subs: Audio Physic Minos x2, Amp: Adyton Cordis 1.7 Silver Signature, Pre: Burmester 077, RIAA: Burmester 100, Kondo GE-1, Consolidated MU-metal stepup Phono: Avid Acutus Ref. SP, Bergmann Galder, Technics sl-1000r, Michell Gyrodec, Arms: SME V with NO cabling, Bergmann Odin, SME 309, Thomas Schick 12´, FR64S, PU´s: Lyra Atlas SL, Kiseki PH, DS Audio W2, SPU 85th ann., VdH Colibri XGW Master Sig. Strad. Cables: Nordost Valhalla2, Odin1 and Odin2, Power: Adyton 6kw trafo, Burmester 948, Isotek Supertitan, Nordost QRT QX2, QX4, Qv2, Rack: Aavik titanium rack, Absolare, Kanso wall-shelf, NO Sort Kones TC, BC, Sort Fut, Ansuz Darkz B:TC, Grounding: Nordost QKORE6
    System 2: Kondo Overture PM2,, Michell Gyrodec, Naim NDX streamer, Burmester 113 DAC, Avantgarde Uno XD, Nordost Valhalla, Audio Insight Isovolt 3 kw trafo.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Quote Originally Posted by hogen View Post
    I would suggest the Acoustic Signature Ascona. I have the Acoustic Signature Invictus Jr in my system and also Bergmann Galder/Odin, Avid Acutus Reference, and Technics SL-1000R. All fantastic turntables, you cannot go wrong with any of these.
    Wow that is a collection and a half of TTs. I’ve looked into all the above except the Invictus. I’ll research that one out. As you stated - I can’t go wrong with any of them ...
    Sincerely,

    Calvin

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    The Invictus Jr is of course in a bit of another class (it should be also given the price). But that does not mean that you will get any less satisfaction from the other 3 I mentioned. Every time I listen to the Bergman, Technics or Avid I am totally happy and think to myself that it cannot get any better than this. Though when I change to the Invictus Jr it does get better I friend of mine has the Acoustic Signature Ascona, and I am guessing that the Ascona is at least as good as my other three tables, probably even better.
    Speakers: Adyton Imagic 2.0 TC (line source), Subs: Audio Physic Minos x2, Amp: Adyton Cordis 1.7 Silver Signature, Pre: Burmester 077, RIAA: Burmester 100, Kondo GE-1, Consolidated MU-metal stepup Phono: Avid Acutus Ref. SP, Bergmann Galder, Technics sl-1000r, Michell Gyrodec, Arms: SME V with NO cabling, Bergmann Odin, SME 309, Thomas Schick 12´, FR64S, PU´s: Lyra Atlas SL, Kiseki PH, DS Audio W2, SPU 85th ann., VdH Colibri XGW Master Sig. Strad. Cables: Nordost Valhalla2, Odin1 and Odin2, Power: Adyton 6kw trafo, Burmester 948, Isotek Supertitan, Nordost QRT QX2, QX4, Qv2, Rack: Aavik titanium rack, Absolare, Kanso wall-shelf, NO Sort Kones TC, BC, Sort Fut, Ansuz Darkz B:TC, Grounding: Nordost QKORE6
    System 2: Kondo Overture PM2,, Michell Gyrodec, Naim NDX streamer, Burmester 113 DAC, Avantgarde Uno XD, Nordost Valhalla, Audio Insight Isovolt 3 kw trafo.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Vyger Indian Signature

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    No love for the Kronos Sparta?

    Looks like this is one manufacture that posts USD MSRP online (+1)

  40. #90

    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    I have to assume that at the $50k price range they must all sound great. So I would be looking for the nicest looking turntable; any “normal” looking turntable will not do.

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    My suggestion

    Turntable: Reed 3C $15k
    Arm: Reed 5T $20K
    Cart: My Sonic Lab Signature Platinum MC $10k

    Total amount $45k

    Or maybe a Pluto turntable.
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    X-quisite │ Home
    best cartridge ever

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    Re: Which TurnTable - 50K range?

    Many thanks for all the fantastic suggestions. If I purchase a TT, at this time I’m primarily leaning towards either a Kronos Pro or SME 30/12.

    A TechDAS AF2 Premium would be nice, but U.S. delivery takes way too long.

    Thanks again for all the suggestions.
    Sincerely,

    Calvin

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    SME is a solid choice. I was very happy with the 20/2/V arm and in case it wasn't already mentioned the German made TW-Acustic tables are fantastic.

    Serge

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