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    New Rega Planar 10

    is in da house for a review in TAS...

    Set it up today and...




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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Excellent!

    I need a great, inexpensive and easy to setup table.

    Looking forward to your thoughts.
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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Nice! I really enjoy my RP8. Would love the Planar 10! Have fun with the review.

    Joe, you would really like the Rega.
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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Excellent!

    I need a great, inexpensive and easy to setup table.

    Looking forward to your thoughts.
    You couldn't ask for an easier to set up table, Joe.

    The packing was excellent, fully 60% of the shipping weight was packing materials, I would estimate, and the turntable and power supply were triple-boxed.

    The turntable itself was in th upper box, Opening it up shows the Planar 10's skeletal "plinth", RB3000 arm and main bearing/subplatter assembly. The TOTL Rega Apheta moving coil cartridge is pre-instealed. Cake.



    The ceramic platter and counterweight for the tonearm is underneath the EPS foam packing for the turntable.

    Setting up the turmtable was as simple as removing it from the EPS, setting it on the audio rack, placing the ceramic platter and felt mat on the subplater, installing the tonearm counterweight, connecting the power cable to the external power supply and connecting the tonearm's interconnect cables to my Bob's Device's step up transformer (which was connected to my EAR 324 phono stage's MM input stage). I leveled the arm with the counterweight, dialed in 2 g of tracking force, and was good to go.



    I would estimate the set-up time took all of...10 minutes? Here it is playing some Celedonio Romero on a Mercury LIving Presence LP.



    I'm still bedding in the cartirdge as it is brand-new, however, some first impressions. The in-depth review will be in TAS, of course.

    Very accurate and detailed reproduction with excellent pitch stability, natural tonality with deep and wide soundstage. Imaging places the musicians "in the room" assuming effective room acoustics management and sufficiently low power noise floor without restriction of dymanic transient current delivery. Fully "fleshed out" without being overly rich or warm. GOBS of detail but not etched, strident, or edgy. Resolution, bass articulation and definition, and vocals and instrument "body" are superb. A neutral, three-dimensional, stable and solid presentation with spot-on timbral accurcy and "weight" of voices and instruments.

    In a word? FABULOUS.

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Nice! I really enjoy my RP8. Would love the Planar 10! Have fun with the review.

    Joe, you would really like the Rega.
    All Regas are great. I had the original Planar 3 way back in the day, and back in 2012 or so, bought a P5 in Cherry, which I used with a wonderful Sumiko Pearwood Celebration II MC cartridge. Then, stupidly, sold it in 2018. That was a mistake. Doh! What was I thinking? Oh, wait...I wasn't.




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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Awesome Stephen, thank you.

    Thanks Randy.
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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Look forward to the review Stephen!

    Once upon a time, I owned a Linn LP-12 with a Rega RB300 arm and a Grado Signature cartridge. It was a very nice combo.
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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Is there and VTA adjustment. Or are you back to shims.

    Will you also try other mats, such as Herbies. Or just stock.

    Maybe other cartridges.

    Totally get why you may not, but it would be nice to know as no audio guy is going to use just Rega cartridges.

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    With my RP8 (model was replaced about a year ago with the Planar 8, and next to top of the line 10 models) I did use an Ortofon 2M Black & Bronze which worked well (I did not use any shims). I stepped up to the Rega Aria Pro which is a breeze since it uses the 3 screw system to set overhang and the table is pre adjusted for the VTA. From my understanding no Rega have built in VTA so if you use a cartridge with a vastly different height a shim would be in order. I have also seen it stated that Rega does not really require fine tuned VTA unless there is a rather large difference.

    I have tried and own multiple mats for my RP8. I have the original Rega wool mat (2MM height), an acrylic mat (2MM height), a leather mat (1.8MM height), and my current favorite the Hexmat Yellow Bird (3MM height). In my view the Yellowbird is an entirely different level and definitely is inline with Rega's over arching design. The Yellow Bird is 1MM taller than the standard Rega mat and I feel that 1MM is not enough of a difference for me to worry about shims.

    I am very happy with the performance of my RP8 and I would absolutely love a P10 ....
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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Whsts great and bad about the Hexmat Yellow bird

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Bad... hmmm, looks weird and I have noticed that certain albums with think center labels will only make contact with the "nubs" in the center. This does not actually appears to cause any issues, but it does really appear as if the entire album is floating off the platter in these rare cases.

    Good... it isolates the record from the environment better than any system I have seen. It basically has the album floating in air as much as is humanly possible at this time. There is less than a 2MM square contact with the platter and the album. It is a noticeable sound improvement.

    The engineer who developed this system states that he worked on this design for about 10 years and had created over 100 prototypes experimenting with various materials, etc.

    In the Rega forum one gentleman went on and on and on how it was physically impossible for this system to work. He wrote a several page diatribe explaining how it was impossible, with all the physics, etc. And then one day he surprised me when he wrote that he actually decided to try one on his Planar 10. He was amazed and stated it made a huge difference and was a true upgrade in performance. He apologized for his previous posts and said, "when I am wrong I say I am wrong".

    Anyway, back to Puma's review of the P10!
    Amps: Hattor "The Big" w/AMRG Trans, Hattor Tube Active Stage, Bel Canto REF500S, McIntosh MC754
    Vinyl: Rega RP8 w/Rega Neo PSU, Rega Ania Pro, Technics SL-1500C, Moon by SimAudio NEO 310LP, Hexmat Yellow Bird, Record Doctor VI
    Digital: Falcon Northwest PC Server, T+A DAC 8 DSD, W4S Recovery, Roon & HQPlayer, Microsoft Surface Pro 6
    Transducers: Magnepan MG .7's w/Magna Riser Stands, Rythmik L12's (x2), Abyss Diana Phi's
    Other: McIntosh MR7083, Oppo BDP105, AudioQuest Niagara 1000, Astell & Kern SE200, Astell & Kern AK240

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Is there and VTA adjustment. Or are you back to shims.

    Will you also try other mats, such as Herbies. Or just stock.

    Maybe other cartridges.

    Totally get why you may not, but it would be nice to know as no audio guy is going to use just Rega cartridges.
    Adjusting VTA requires Rega-manufactured shims.

    But I'm not going to worry about it because the Apheta 3 sounds fabulous. It has outstanding detail, its musical as all get-out, and its incredibly neutral. It reminds me of a Dynavector XV-1. I would just leave it on the arm, sit back, and enjoy the music. I really like the Apheta a lot so why fix something that isn't broken?

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Bad... hmmm, looks weird and I have noticed that certain albums with think center labels will only make contact with the "nubs" in the center. This does not actually appears to cause any issues, but it does really appear as if the entire album is floating off the platter in these rare cases.

    Good... it isolates the record from the environment better than any system I have seen. It basically has the album floating in air as much as is humanly possible at this time. There is less than a 2MM square contact with the platter and the album. It is a noticeable sound improvement.

    The engineer who developed this system states that he worked on this design for about 10 years and had created over 100 prototypes experimenting with various materials, etc.

    In the Rega forum one gentleman went on and on and on how it was physically impossible for this system to work. He wrote a several page diatribe explaining how it was impossible, with all the physics, etc. And then one day he surprised me when he wrote that he actually decided to try one on his Planar 10. He was amazed and stated it made a huge difference and was a true upgrade in performance. He apologized for his previous posts and said, "when I am wrong I say I am wrong".

    Anyway, back to Puma's review of the P10!
    Just a point of clarification: my review will be published in TAS.

    These are just some first, very early listening impressions.

    But I remain very impressed.

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    ... I totally get that, just did not want to get the thread sidetracked .
    Amps: Hattor "The Big" w/AMRG Trans, Hattor Tube Active Stage, Bel Canto REF500S, McIntosh MC754
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    Other: McIntosh MR7083, Oppo BDP105, AudioQuest Niagara 1000, Astell & Kern SE200, Astell & Kern AK240

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    ... I totally get that, just did not want to get the thread sidetracked .
    Ha! No worries, Randy! Cheers, mate!

    Here are some additional photos I took this morning. The first shows the skeletal plinth which is very light but stiff. The cross brace with holes is ceramic on top and phenolic on the bottom of the Tancast 8 laminate plinth and ties the main platter bearing to the tonearm bearing with maximal rigidity so they function as a single, very stiff unit. Randy, you know all about this.



    A photo showing the ceramic platter on the subplatter. There are little nibs machined into the edge of the subplatter (looking closely at the photo above) so that only a very small portion of the ceramic platter actually rests on the subplatter. The subplatter is very, very hard and quite heavy and is manufactured so that most of the mass as it at the outer edge of the platter to provide a flywheel effect for speed stability.



    A finally, a shot showing the thin felt mat that is a hallmark of Rega 'tables.

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Love the Skeletal plinth. The new P10 has even less material then my RP8 .... Extremely stiff but also very light space age material. Yup, they use a layered cross base system to the main bearing and tone arm base assembly together very effectively. My RP8 has a very nice tonearm, but the P10 has upped the level even more.

    The RP8 uses a glass platter versus the ceramic being uses on the 10 models. Mine is constructed from three separate layers of glass with progressively more mass towards the outer edge giving a fly wheel affect to improve even rotation of the platter. The platter is the only item on the table with any real mass at all, which is one reason the the Hexmat works so well. It decouples and isolates the record from the only part with any mass on the table.

    It seems to be a really good turntable design without owning a bank to afford it .
    Amps: Hattor "The Big" w/AMRG Trans, Hattor Tube Active Stage, Bel Canto REF500S, McIntosh MC754
    Vinyl: Rega RP8 w/Rega Neo PSU, Rega Ania Pro, Technics SL-1500C, Moon by SimAudio NEO 310LP, Hexmat Yellow Bird, Record Doctor VI
    Digital: Falcon Northwest PC Server, T+A DAC 8 DSD, W4S Recovery, Roon & HQPlayer, Microsoft Surface Pro 6
    Transducers: Magnepan MG .7's w/Magna Riser Stands, Rythmik L12's (x2), Abyss Diana Phi's
    Other: McIntosh MR7083, Oppo BDP105, AudioQuest Niagara 1000, Astell & Kern SE200, Astell & Kern AK240

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    Re: New Rega Planar 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Love the Skeletal plinth. The new P10 has even less material then my RP8 .... Extremely stiff but also very light space age material. Yup, they use a layered cross base system to the main bearing and tone arm base assembly together very effectively. My RP8 has a very nice tonearm, but the P10 has upped the level even more.

    The RP8 uses a glass platter versus the ceramic being uses on the 10 models. Mine is constructed from three separate layers of glass with progressively more mass towards the outer edge giving a fly wheel affect to improve even rotation of the platter. The platter is the only item on the table with any real mass at all, which is one reason the the Hexmat works so well. It decouples and isolates the record from the only part with any real mass on the table.

    It seems to be a really good turntable design without owning a bank to afford it .
    In my experience, Regas of any "class": Planar 3, Planar 6, Planar 8, Planar (or the earlier "RP" or "P" generations), punch WAY above their respective price points. Ya just can't go wrong.

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