Thread: Pops and Snaps, there must be a beached dolphin nearby.

I used "Spin Clean" on an Adel LP that had pops and snaps.

The result after the clean, the exact same Pops and Snaps.

So, is this the MO of all records or are some silent?

Is Spin Clean not a good product? The reviews seem fine. Maybe listeners have a higher tolerance to surface noise.

Need a few vinyl experts to shed some light.

lol!!! i use a spin clean, they do the job. but there is certainly better out there. some records are just not clean. some i have are mint and have been opened from the 60's and 70's and have no pops or clicks, some look mint and have loads of surface noise, that just cant be cleaned off. you never know what people have done to them in the past. i have some records that just sound so good that i got off the dollar rack, i just ignore the surface noise.
also some noises are just static and i have borrowed a zerostat gun, and it definitely helps.
the natural air and presence you get from a record even with some imperfections on it is just unmatched in my opinion. its just part of the life of an LP spinner. some i can look past the noise others i continue to buy copies until i find a good one. most of my records are $1 to $4.99. the sealed 180g record that will run you $30+ are mostly good and clean. and even then you stand the chance of a bump or something in the vinyl. its all part of the game. i think it is he best sound i can have. not all agree but i wouldnt trade my turntable for the best most expensive cd player ever made.
btw i only do like 2 records before i change the water in the spin clean. gets funky fast.
best of luck

I can't really add much to what Steve said. The nature of the beast. I swapped out tables and my phono stage a few months ago and my current set-up is much quieter than what I had before. If listening to music makes you think about all the negative issues you hear with your system, something needs to be changed. Whether that's gear or format or whatever is up to you.

Perhaps a nice cuban and a glass of your favorite adult beverage is the best place to start...

Also, ALL cleaners clean. They do not remove scratches, no matter how small.

You may also need to remove static after cleaning/before play. I use a zerostat.

Originally Posted by Matt715

Is a Zerostat worth the investment?

i say yes. sometimes in the past when i pulled a record off the table i can feel the static charge. this no longer happens and has quieted down some records i thought were surface issues. i use it after i clean them everytime, and also before i start spinning them on the table. not all the time, but occasionally.

Originally Posted by Petro85

lol!!! i use a spin clean, they do the job. but there is certainly better out there. some records are just not clean. some i have are mint and have been opened from the 60's and 70's and have no pops or clicks, some look mint and have loads of surface noise, that just cant be cleaned off. you never know what people have done to them in the past. i have some records that just sound so good that i got off the dollar rack, i just ignore the surface noise.
also some noises are just static and i have borrowed a zerostat gun, and it definitely helps.
the natural air and presence you get from a record even with some imperfections on it is just unmatched in my opinion. its just part of the life of an LP spinner. some i can look past the noise others i continue to buy copies until i find a good one. most of my records are $1 to $4.99. the sealed 180g record that will run you $30+ are mostly good and clean. and even then you stand the chance of a bump or something in the vinyl. its all part of the game. i think it is he best sound i can have. not all agree but i wouldnt trade my turntable for the best most expensive cd player ever made.
btw i only do like 2 records before i change the water in the spin clean. gets funky fast.
best of luck

As long as we all are living with some degree of surface noise, I am good. Vinyl feels organic to me as I have two tables and multiple digital playback sources.

* (I will take a Maduro 1926 Padron over a Cuban, a consistant smoke.)

For me the Zerostat is a must. Since I have an RCM, when I am drying the album (as it is spinning) I am creating static. Plus its been colder thus dryer thus..mores static.

So I clean my albums and before they come off the RCM they get hit with 4 shots (each side) of the zero stat. Any time you wipe them down, you create static. Even the discwasher dust brush can create static...just the nature of the beast..LOL

Originally Posted by KingRT10

As long as we all are living with some degree of surface noise, I am good. Vinyl feels organic to me as I have two tables and multplei digital playback sources.

* (I will take a Maduro 1926 Padron over a Cuban, a consitsant smoke.)

Sometimes it's just a bad pressing if there is a lot of what you're describing. I bought a copt of "The Civil Wars" and it had so many ticks and pops that it was almost unlistenable.

I took it back to my record store and they swapped it out for a different copy, the end result was amazing.

Pretty crazy, same album, two different copies and a world of difference in surface noise !!

Originally Posted by MDP

Sometimes it's just a bad pressing if there is a lot of what you're describing. I bought a copt of "The Civil Wars" and it had so many ticks and pops that it was almost unlistenable.

I took it back to my record store and they swapped it out for a different copy, the end result was amazing.

Pretty crazy, same album, two different copies and a world of difference in surface noise !!

I had the unrealistic expectation of, clean it, and the pops/clicks will all go radio silent.

Originally Posted by KingRT10

I had the unrealistic expectation of, clean it, and the pops/clicks will all go radio silent.

Unfortunately no. Just like we can't expect ever CD to sound great. There are variables starting with the recording.

Originally Posted by MDP

Sometimes it's just a bad pressing if there is a lot of what you're describing. I bought a copt of "The Civil Wars" and it had so many ticks and pops that it was almost unlistenable.

I took it back to my record store and they swapped it out for a different copy, the end result was amazing.

Pretty crazy, same album, two different copies and a world of difference in surface noise !!

As Mark said, sometimes they just use crappy vinyl for a pressing to cut costs. Or you got a copy that was at the end of a run, didn't allow enough time to cool, etc., etc. Nothing you can do about it but return the LP and try to find a better copy.

Originally Posted by KingRT10

I used "Spin Clean" on an Adel LP that had pops and snaps.

The result after the clean, the exact same Pops and Snaps.

So, is this the MO of all records or are some silent?

Is Spin Clean not a good product? The reviews seem fine. Maybe listeners have a higher tolerance to surface noise.

Need a few vinyl experts to shed some light.

Hi this for me is a very hot topic i want to make it very clear the SOUND of vinyl is SUPERIOR to the sound of cd,s BUT like it or not there will always be surface noise and it's NORMAL where there is friction there is noise some can live with it others can't and this is my case i have been barred from forums for saying this but it's true no matter how good of a cleaning machine you have you will NEVER get rid of ALL the pops and snaps you simply will have to ACCEPT them wich I can't this is the reason that i have been with cd,s since 1983 and yes i do know what a good turntable can sound like my last one in 1983 was an Oracle Delphi with Stax UA9N tonearm and Grace F9R ruby cartridge a very decent turntable in 1983 but i simply could not accept even one or two pops or snaps so i decided to go the cd route but i do not hate vinyl it's just not for me PLEASE live and let live some prefer vinyl and others prefer digital absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Now that I have a Network Music Player, I like both equally. Multiple sources = different joys.


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Originally Posted by Mike

Now that I have a Network Music Player, I like both equally. Multiple sources = different joys.


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And that is the way it should be.

T.A.V.E.S. 2013 me and my friend where both invited to the Kronos room by Louis Desjardins ( Mr Kronos himself ) after he heard us discussing audio at Tim Hortons he told us that whe would not hear any pops and snaps from his turntable because it was very well built and i told him that it ad nothing to do with the way it was built and that whe would go over to his room the sound was INCREDIBLE but in the first 30 seconds i heard at least 5 pops or snaps and whe left the room after about 5 minutes the music was great BUT the noise was there Kronos turntable with tonearm & cartridge about 40k.

Kronos turntable Louis Desjardins.jpg

Originally Posted by Mike

Now that I have a Network Music Player, I like both equally. Multiple sources = different joys.


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This is exactly how I feel !

MRACOUSTAT
why are you shouting ?

When everything is in bold, that is shouting in internet language. SAME WITH ALL CAPS !!! LOL

Originally Posted by ohbythebay

MRACOUSTAT
why are you shouting ?

When everything is in bold, that is shouting in internet language. SAME WITH ALL CAPS !!! LOL

Hard of hearing I guess....... :-)

Even the pops and snaps... I take them as parts of analog music. And there are so special feeling about the vinyl.

They are just like the home made food from your mother.....

Andre . Now we all know you don't like the pops and snaps... you don't have to remind us every time.

@ Rob: Andre is not shouting, that's his own style. Me, it don't bother me for a second.

@ Paul: Some people they talk a lot, others we never hear from them.
Some like repeating things, myself included, others they never say the same thing twice.
Some people are interesting, sometimes, others less so, sometimes.
Some people we love more than others.

Life is full of people, and accepting everyone the way they are is a good thing.

* We did good, us Canadians, @ the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi. ...Right on!

Originally Posted by ohbythebay

MRACOUSTAT
why are you shouting ?

When everything is in bold, that is shouting in internet language. SAME WITH ALL CAPS !!! LOL

For you ohbythebay it's shouting, but for me it's thinking of the older people like ME that don't see to well, the bold function is there to use or not to use i will accept you not using it all i ask is that you accept me using it if it's a problem for you i'm sorry but just ignore my posts you don't have to read me sorry.

PS: Is this better ?????

Well Andre, look at the consensus. ...And adapt. That's what living in society is all about; do you also agree?

Originally Posted by NorthStar

@ Rob: Andre is not shouting, that's his own style. Me, it don't bother me for a second.

@ Paul: Some people they talk a lot, others we never hear from them.
Some like repeating things, myself included, others they never say the same thing twice.
Some people are interesting, sometimes, others less so, sometimes.
Some people we love more than others.

Life is full of people, and accepting everyone the way they are is a good thing.

* We did good, us Canadians, @ the Olympic Winter Games in Sochi. ...Right on!

Bob....I like everybody ( including you and Andre ) I don't mind people repeating them selves either. However Let me point out couple of things here.

Andre is the one who told us not to force him to like the analog sound and we got it and no one ever force him to like analog sounds in AS . Now he posted negative things about the analog three times here. Why ? As you know I'm a totally digital guy like Andre. Did you ever see me say " I counted 5 times snaps and pops on first few seconds audition ? " with bold and highlighted letters ? If you want us to respect you ? you should respect us as well. Also I just don't want to see same happens on here on AS as like what happened on Canuck Audio Mart to him.

And Yes I'm so proud be Canadian

I love you too Paul.

Andre has his own character; on the Internet I got/get to know him and simply accept his own style.
I know you do too, and all of us we sometimes say what's on our mind, which is mighty fine.
...Personally, that's how I grow up with everyone around/in my world. ...I register, adapt and then I adjust for the better.

It's hard to tell someone, even in a friendly tone, to adapt to our own set of values; much harder than us to adapt to theirs.
We are all receptive to positive criticism; me, you, Andre, and everybody else.

* I believe that Andre is at a threshold of a renewed transformation.
I can understand his state-of-mind, after being ejected from his regular home (audio site).
All of us we need to reflect in our interactions with others. ...Like music, it's an art.