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Thread: Thales Tonearm
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September 24, 2016, 10:04 PM #1
Thales Tonearm
Hi Guys
thought I would create a thread for the Thales tonearm. I have been lucky enough to demo first the Thales Easy and now the Simplicity II tonearm. I am so impressed I am buying it.
The Simplicity II is certainly reference class and has a unique patented was to have tangential linear tracking with a pivoted tonearm - The entire tonearm and headshell moves across the record mimicking the tangential linear cutting of when a record is cut. The tracking geometry is based on a unique tetragon solution that reduces the tracking-error to 0,006°. link for more info re the tracking geometry.
http://www.tonarm.ch/de/technology#Geometry Thales Simplicity
Mike asked for a quick explanation on setup ease or complexity so will add a few points on that.
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 24, 2016, 10:30 PM #2
Re: Thales Tonearm
Thanks Shane. I did some research on this arm. Awesome stuff! Love the tech. Must track beautifully. Vocals must be superb.
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September 24, 2016, 10:31 PM #3
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There is no finger lift? Do you just raise it and the grab one of the bars?
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September 24, 2016, 10:31 PM #4
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Quick and dirty main set up points.
The Simplicity and Easy comes with an alignment jig that fits over the spindle and fits perfectly against the back of the tonearm. If you have a movable arm board like I do on the TW Acustik table, it is a piece of piss to set this part up.
There is a seperate headshell for the cartridge. the cartridge is aligned in its own alignment jig, not dissimilar to the Graham jig, see below. You then load the headshell onto the tonearm from the side and tighten a small set screw. You align the cartridge in the jig to 3 specific points on top, left and right as well as a small point for the stylus. Certainly easier than trying to align a cartridge on the tonearm.
As this is a linear tracking tonearm you cannot align it to any of the normal alignment curves.
VTA is aligned using a screw that you can see on the metal piece that the arm rest is on. You simply use a hex screw to raise of lower the arm height - after of course loosening the locking screw.
Adjusting azimuth is really easy and easy to do it precisely. undo the two screws that is at the bottom of the Octagon holding the two tonearm pipes. then there is a hex hole just to the right and you slightly turn it right and the entire arm moves right or visa versa in small increments. really easy to get the azimuth perfect.
VTA is the only thing on the arm that is a PITA. thankfully once set I never change it.
As there are two arm tubes, each tube has a separate counterweight. The additional counterweight that goes on the back is attached only to the inside are pipe via two small circular pieces of metal. You need to unlock the locking screws, then insert and move in/ out to get the correct VTF. It take a few goes back n forth as most counterweight have screw in or out. This you need to slowly push in / out. When VTF for my Atlas was at 1.72 I tightened the two locking screws.
Overall the set up is not difficult as long as you take you time. The small effort is well worth the sonics at the end,
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 24, 2016, 10:40 PM #5
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I believe Micha the owner is a watchmaker, so the build quality is like the best Swiss watch. To see in person is something else. The small hex screws are amazing in that they are small but work perfectly.
Yes, Vocals sound absolutely incredible with this arm. That was probably the first thing I noticed as well as lead instruments like piano or guitar sound more life like with better micro dynamics. There is an overal stability of the musical image that is uncanny.
Yes, no arm lift. I think it would interfere with the precise alignment structure of the arm. You use the arm lift to lift up - move the arm by lift the arm pipe, then lower using the arm lift again. Its very easy after you get used to it - after all you are only lifting 1.7 gmsSource: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 24, 2016, 10:47 PM #6
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Shane, I'm racking my brain. I can't recall seeing anything like this. At least not with this level or precision. Is the Thales very unique?
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September 24, 2016, 11:08 PM #7
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sounds like your interest has been piqued. That is what these threads should be about. People can then do their own research and decide for themselves on the merit of the product.
Certainly unique with Thales specific implementation to optimize the tetragon solution and reduce the tracking error to 0.006° The idea dates back to 1953 if you have the time to read the link. he has been perfecting this since his original tonearm back in 2004.
And yes, the precision of build is unbelievable
There are only two other tonearms that I know of that mimic linear tracking from a pivot.
Schroeder has their LT tonearm which the physical tonearm seems to move at the base to mimic linear tracking. I think J Frech owns one of these.
KLA have a linear tracking pivoted tracking tonearm that has been playing on static display at a few of the hifi shows recently - but nothing playing music as yet. I believe Myles Astor is getting one to listen to soon.Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 24, 2016, 11:16 PM #8
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The Thales is a work of art. I've admired the KL Audio arm since I first saw it. But it's huge. If it comes as part of a table, then we are talking. For now, the Thales looks like precision artwork.
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September 24, 2016, 11:17 PM #9
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Interesting to see the KL arm on the Kronos.
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September 24, 2016, 11:18 PM #10
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The Thales would look beautiful on the Kronos. So much more elegant. Simplicity through superior precision engineering. Love what it does and the problems it solves.
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September 24, 2016, 11:19 PM #11
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Garrard Zero 100 .......
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September 24, 2016, 11:23 PM #12My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 24, 2016, 11:31 PM #13
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 25, 2016, 12:43 AM #14
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September 25, 2016, 12:46 AM #15
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September 25, 2016, 02:35 AM #16
Thales Tonearm
Gentlemen, as you appear being the top of the crop specialists for everything turntable, have you ever come across, heard, tested the Dynavector 507Mk2?
http://www.dynavector.com/products/t.../e_507mk2.html
Of course it is an older design, but quite intriguing. I heard it recently mounted on an Avid Acutus.
It's quite a machine. The reason for asking is that I find the Thales fascinating, except for the fact there is no mechanical lift. With my clumsy hands I would not want to rely on lifting the arm with my fingers.
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Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
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September 25, 2016, 02:36 AM #17
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 25, 2016, 09:33 AM #18
Re: Thales Tonearm
Thanks , looking to do similar to a 103 but was thinking Soundsmith ...
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September 25, 2016, 05:05 PM #19
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XV-1 , Familiar with this one ..??
http://www.zuaudio.com/phono-cartridges/standard
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September 26, 2016, 05:21 AM #20
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 30, 2016, 12:29 AM #21
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Hi XV-1. Can you give us a comparison between the Thales and Graham? Thanks!
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September 30, 2016, 04:48 AM #22
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Hi, I'm not XV-1 but I've heard both Arms-- no contest
The Thales takes the Cigar
Bruce
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September 30, 2016, 05:43 AM #23
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Yea Bruce is correct, the Thales is in a different class.
Simplicity II is clear, concise and has a directness and transparency that is uncanny. Bass is tight but able to provide kick and attack when it is in the recording. There is a stability in the image that creates a coherence in the soundstage and stereo image and detail from recordings are superb. All this with a purity across the entire lp.
The Phantom in direct comparison is a bit cloudy, bass weighted and lacks a directness and snap in the musical delivery.
The weakness I thought the TW had was more that the arm was the weak link prior to the Thales.
The linear tracking from the Thales is the real deal.Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 30, 2016, 09:45 PM #24
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Thanks Bruce and XV1! How about the tonal quality of the Thales? Is it neutral? Warm and full bodied? Did you hear it with their own phono cable? TIA!
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September 30, 2016, 10:24 PM #25
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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September 30, 2016, 11:25 PM #26
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Re: Thales Tonearm
What tonearm cable did you end up using?
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September 30, 2016, 11:36 PM #27
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I use Nordost valhalla and Furutech AG-12. I first tried out the Thales Easy, which the Furutech sounded better than the Thales and the Valhalla. Gotta put the Valhalla back in a some stage, but sounding so good atm, no desire to.
For the price the Furutech AG-12 s one hell of a bargin.
the Thales easy has a slightly cosier bass and a little more subdued so would be a good choice for a system that perhaps leans towards the neutral/lean.
The Simplicity II more than justified its large price tag in my system.Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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October 1, 2016, 01:24 AM #28
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Re: Thales Tonearm
Hi Boggy--Your not in Adelaide are you? ( sorry poor Joke!)
Ok No sorry cannot say I investigated the Arm cables on the sessions but as auditioned at Show /Dealer ventures I would hazard the factory Supplied --or recommended ones
Cable inference or not the Thales SII is superior on nearly all counts--XV-1- your man on the Spot has both mounted --perfect for your answer
I concur his findings
Bruce
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October 2, 2016, 09:08 PM #29
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XV-1 and Brunce. Many Thanks for the replies. Best Regards
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November 11, 2016, 12:20 PM #30
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Shane - any update?
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November 13, 2016, 12:40 AM #31
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Hi Mike
What do you want to know?
Am I still loving the tonearm? Hell yea - best hifi purchase I have made for a long time.
My other tables aren't getting much play time, which is the opposite when the Phantom was the only tonearm on the TW. That to me says the most about the Simplicity II tonearm. I am certainly a believer in well designed tangential tracking tonearms.
I really want another Thales on one of my DD tables, but that frankly is impossible with their integrated wood plinths.
here is a quick phone shot of it spinning the new Keith Richards as I write this post
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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November 13, 2016, 12:40 AM #32
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November 14, 2016, 06:26 AM #33
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 21, 2017, 10:51 AM #34
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Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 21, 2017, 11:08 AM #35
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February 21, 2017, 01:52 PM #36
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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February 21, 2017, 04:45 PM #37
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Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 21, 2017, 04:54 PM #38
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Difficult to say. It is the only cart I've had with this arm/TT combo. The cart I had before was a Lyra Dorian. But that was long ago on a different TT.
What I can say is this. I think it is somewhere between analytical carts like Lyra and more romantic carts like Koetsu. It does low frequencies very well. The bass is big and with impact. Which I missed a bit with the Lyra. But it doesn't extract the last minute details from the groove.
The mids and highs are good but maybe a tad boring sometimes. That can be a good thing. It means you can listen to you LP's for hours on end without getting listener fatigue. But it could be a bit more lively and dynamic.
More of an Ayre sound then a Krell sound if you understand what I mean by that.
Maybe I'm a bit negative, but I prefer to point out out the negative then to oversell it.
The good points are to me the low end and the ability to forget your surroundings and close your eyes and dream away. Let the music take you. My next cart could very well be a TKR again, or maybe a van den Hull, but I think the latter is out of my range.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 21, 2017, 05:02 PM #39
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Thanks for sharing your experiences Mordante, quite interesting indeed.
When I heard the TKR, it was in an upward Dynavector line. While every next one was better, maybe there was a certain house sound. It is possible that omitted some things other carts would have provided. But I am anyway rather the Ayre than a Krell guy .
Have you heard any of the Lyras, e.g. Etna? That is another hot contender to be my next cart.
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Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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February 22, 2017, 01:03 AM #40
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Mordante, What is an Ayre sound ..? What is a Krell Sound?...
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Ayre is IMHO more laid back warm sounding not so Dynamic
Krell much more in your face more Dynamic but also more prone to listener fatigue
Years back I had a Ayre integrated amp on test. But did not buy it. Not because it was bad but is was too laid back for me.
I knew someone who used Ayre and Sonus Faber very warm sounding, but not very engaging.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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February 22, 2017, 11:08 AM #42
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Thanks for explaining your position and I'm of similar opinion too. BTW, the later Krells (FPB-CX and later models ) have better detail than earlier versions without the in your face bright attack .
Regards
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June 11, 2017, 09:09 AM #44
Re: Thales Tonearm
New review for Thales table and Simplicity II tonearm.
http://positive-feedback.com/reviews...les-turntable/Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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June 14, 2017, 12:45 AM #45
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i will get one to play with soon.
this arm is very very interesting!Speakers: Boenicke W13SE+ ֿ/ Clarisys Audio Auditorium
Preamp: CH Precision L1
Amp: CH Precision M1.1
Cables: mostly Fono Acustica, VYDA, SAEC
Digital: CH Precision C1.2+ Streaming hd board/ RoonLab NUCLEUS/ SOtM Lan switches and clocks. / Aries Cerat Helene
TT:TT 1- V.Y.G.E.R INDIAN SIGNATURE + TITAN (KV9vta max /SAEC 4700 - second arm rotation)
TT 2 - CSPORT TATM2 + LINEAR ARM (SAEC 4700 second arm rotation)
Carts':AIDAS Tibetan Yak gold LE, Top Wing Red Sparrow, Etsuro Urushi GOLD, Sumile, Kondo IO-X, DS audio W3....
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August 9, 2017, 01:00 AM #48
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Hi.
actually i'm writing my review for HIFIMUSIC.CO.IL those days, about the simplicity II -
i have it for a few weeks now with an EMT JSD 6 Platinum.
I didn't got the TT just the arm and cart from Micha hubert (Thales owner) via the local dealer.
i can tell you all kind of stuff (and i will), but if you didn't heard a proper linear arm in your life you are in for a really awesome surprise.
i have and had a lot of arms in my audiophile life. currently holding two on my C.A Master innovation - the near top of the line TT2 (linear arm) and their top pivot arm - the UNIversal.
the simplicity II is the best pivot arm i heard in my life period! its takes all the goodness of a linear tracking arm with near perfect line tracking across the LP
without the hustle and "problems" linear arms makers need to solve. its a fantastic tracking (one of the best i heard) with LOT of dynamics and musical involvement. but its still very very smooth and relax. with the new and expensive EMT cart i've got a lot of details and shining top end (not itching!) and equally good bass and mid bass (EMT strongest quality with lot of musical enjoyment).
its an arm to die for and if i didn't had my TT2, i probably would buy it in a second! (maybe il will buy it after all... ) its the closer i got to my TT2 in the way every bit of the music on the record came out crystal clear! no inner-groove distortion, no nothing! you can hear what pressed on the vinyl from start to end in the most profound matter! (Thales got his SIM II to track 0.006% reject of a straight line - this is a huge! engineering triumph!)
i will buy Thales TT and arm combo blind folded! i kid you not.
Speakers: Boenicke W13SE+ ֿ/ Clarisys Audio Auditorium
Preamp: CH Precision L1
Amp: CH Precision M1.1
Cables: mostly Fono Acustica, VYDA, SAEC
Digital: CH Precision C1.2+ Streaming hd board/ RoonLab NUCLEUS/ SOtM Lan switches and clocks. / Aries Cerat Helene
TT:TT 1- V.Y.G.E.R INDIAN SIGNATURE + TITAN (KV9vta max /SAEC 4700 - second arm rotation)
TT 2 - CSPORT TATM2 + LINEAR ARM (SAEC 4700 second arm rotation)
Carts':AIDAS Tibetan Yak gold LE, Top Wing Red Sparrow, Etsuro Urushi GOLD, Sumile, Kondo IO-X, DS audio W3....
Phono: CH Precision P1+X1
Racks: ROGUZ carbon, ASR platform Ohio XL ...
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Thank´s a lot Byrdparis. That sounds very promising. I arranged an auditioning at home with my gear with the TTT and the Simplicity II with EMT JSD S75 for next Tuesday. I will compare it with the Transrotor Rondino FMD (with another cartridge as option: TR Figaro and a SME 5009 as option). I am very curious.
By the way which phono pre do you use with the TTT. Your XP-25? My dealer recommended a Tom Evans and Micha Huber a Holborne. Your thought´s?
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August 9, 2017, 01:28 AM #50
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Your welcome.
that is interesting. hope you like it, i guess it will be a rewarding auditioning evan if you decide not to take it (my assumption is you will).
i am using my XP25 with all my arms and carts. i don't know that TE... so cant guess about it. if he can arrange it for you to hear...
which one you are using right now?Speakers: Boenicke W13SE+ ֿ/ Clarisys Audio Auditorium
Preamp: CH Precision L1
Amp: CH Precision M1.1
Cables: mostly Fono Acustica, VYDA, SAEC
Digital: CH Precision C1.2+ Streaming hd board/ RoonLab NUCLEUS/ SOtM Lan switches and clocks. / Aries Cerat Helene
TT:TT 1- V.Y.G.E.R INDIAN SIGNATURE + TITAN (KV9vta max /SAEC 4700 - second arm rotation)
TT 2 - CSPORT TATM2 + LINEAR ARM (SAEC 4700 second arm rotation)
Carts':AIDAS Tibetan Yak gold LE, Top Wing Red Sparrow, Etsuro Urushi GOLD, Sumile, Kondo IO-X, DS audio W3....
Phono: CH Precision P1+X1
Racks: ROGUZ carbon, ASR platform Ohio XL ...
Power treatment Ps Audio P10 ֿ/ VYDA PD1
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