The problem with loudspeakers

Less Define high sensitivity, put a numeric value on it ..
>93db/watt
Now lets see your Soundlabs measured sensitivity, not "spec". It seems "specs" may not always be accurate https://www.stereophile.com/content/sound-lab-1-electrostatic-loudspeaker-do-measures
Exaggerated sensitivity is quite en vogue in the high end.

Soundlabs are crossover less and full bandwidth
Measurements please, not claims.

only class D struggles on them, believe me
Uh huh
 
I love and own Magnepans butSubmitted by Herb Reichert on August 26, 2018 - 5:26pm
What I am lobbying for are speakers with high ruler-flat impedance, high sensitivity, minimum phase, and minimum excursional non-linearities ----- like good headphones.
To me, speakers with reactive impedances below 2-ohms are broken and non-functional -- no matter how good their frequency responce measures


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Methinks someone should read a bit more slowly and carefully...
 

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I love and own Magnepans butSubmitted by Herb Reichert on August 26, 2018 - 5:26pm
What I am lobbying for are speakers with high ruler-flat impedance, high sensitivity, minimum phase, and minimum excursional non-linearities ----- like good headphones.
To me, speakers with reactive impedances below 2-ohms are broken and non-functional -- no matter how good their frequency responce measures
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FLOOR LOUDSPEAKER REVIEWS
Sound-Lab A-1 electrostatic loudspeaker Measurements
Sidebar 6: Measurements
To investigate the answer to Dick's question, I measured the A-1's impedance magnitude at three settings of the Brilliance Control (BC) with DRA Labs' MLSSA system. With the BC set at Maximum (pot wide open), I obtained the curves in fig.1. Although the magnitude of the impedance is above 10 ohms from the upper bass to 2kHz, and well above 30 ohms in the bass, note the drop in the mid-treble and above. The cursor indicates a punishingly low 1.3 ohms at 20kHz with an equally punishing phase angle of –75.5°, dropping even further to just a small fraction of an ohm at ultrasonic frequencies. This measurement necessarily includes the resistance of the speaker cables DO was using (TARA Labs Rectangular Solid Core); as the margin of error in my measurement is probably around a fraction of ohm, it's quite possible that the A-1 presents amplifiers with a complete short circuit above the audio range. Fundamentally, therefore, in electrical terms, the A-1 with its BC set to maximum is nothing more than a large capacitor. If this isn't hell for a power amplifier, I don't know what is (footnote 1). No wonder DO's amps were choking.

Your memo toself...

BTW , while you are working on your reading comprehension make note , speaker wires were 3 ohms.

Must have been dental floss ...
I have to admit you are quite entertaining Mr Wayne.
You really should have paid attention in 3rd form Physics...and English.;)
 

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I have to admit you are quite entertaining Mr Wayne.
You really should have paid attention in 3rd form Physics...and English.;)

Well you should have stayed for first form English , forget the physics ...

Footnote 1: Using ATI's LMS (Loudspeaker Measurement System), I also measured the A-1's impedance magnitude at several settings of the Brilliance Control. With the BC set at Maximum, my first cut at this produced an impedance minimum of 3 ohms at 20kHz. This seemed a reasonable result, until I realized that I had better correct for the inherent impedance of the long measurement cable run from the speaker back to my computer, which turned out also to be 3 ohms! Allowing LMS to subtract the cable impedance from the speaker impedance curve produced a graph whose minimum was essentially a short circuit above 20kHz.—Dick Olsher
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content...c-loudspeaker-do-measures#dD6qxzAjab7iwPMY.99
 
forget the physics
You would have to have known it to begin with.
The Soundlabs are not the droids we're looking for.
Wrong on all counts Mr Wayne, please pay attention sir.
Now your evidence for flat response, class D amps, etc? Behind the bushes?

I love and own Magnepans butSubmitted by Herb Reichert on August 26, 2018 - 5:26pm
What I am lobbying for are speakers with high ruler-flat impedance, high sensitivity, minimum phase, and minimum excursional non-linearities ----- like good headphones.
To me, speakers with reactive impedances below 2-ohms are broken and non-functional -- no matter how good their frequency responce measures


Footnote 1: Using ATI's LMS (Loudspeaker Measurement System), I also measured the A-1's impedance magnitude at several settings of the Brilliance Control. With the BC set at Maximum, my first cut at this produced an impedance minimum of 3 ohms at 20kHz. This seemed a reasonable result, until I realized that I had better correct for the inherent impedance of the long measurement cable run from the speaker back to my computer, which turned out also to be 3 ohms! Allowing LMS to subtract the cable impedance from the speaker impedance curve produced a graph whose minimum was essentially a short circuit above 20kHz.—Dick Olsher
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/...zAjab7iwPMY.99

Btw, the DO measurement is not what I posted previously above, those are JA's, but still completely conflicts with Herbs clearly stated desires (assuming even the slightess reading comprehension), but I'll spare you further embarrassment.:hey:
 
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