Technics Stereo Power Amplifier SE-R1 .....

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OMG! This thing looks amazing. Anyone hear it?

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Accurate Digital TechnologyJENO Engine
(Jitter Elimination and Noise-shaping Optimization)
GaN-FET Driver
LAPC (Load Adaptive Phase Calibration)
Technics Digital Link
High-speed Silent Linear Power Supply
Battery Driven Clock Generator
Dual Mono Construction
High Rigidity Metal Double ChassisTechnics Definitive DesignAluminium plain miter joint
White LED illuminated large level meter
Symmetric structureOutput Power150 W + 150 W (1 kHz, T.H.D. 0.5%, 8 Ω, 20 kHz LPF)
300 W + 300 W (1 kHz, T.H.D. 0.5%, 4 Ω, 20 kHz LPF)Input Sensitivity / Input ImpedanceUNBALANCED 1.2 V / 47 kΩ, BALANCED 1.2 V / 47 kΩFrequency Response1 Hz - 90 kHz (-3 dB, 8 Ω)THD+N0.05% (1 kHz, 75 W, 8 Ω, 20 kHz LPF)Load ImpedanceA or B, Bi-wiring: 4-16 Ω, A + B: 8-16 ΩAnalog Input TerminalUNBALANCED x 1, BALANCED x 1Digital Input TerminalTechnics Digital Link x 1Power SupplyAC120 V, 60 HzPower consumption250 WDimensions (W x H x D)480 x 241 x 567 mm
18-7/8 x 9-15/32 x 22-11/32 inch
 
Hey Joe - I heard it at the last AXPONA, and while it sounded alright it didn't really captivate me if you get my drift. It does however look stunning in appearance! It's a PWM digital amp design, and as such it's performance is optimized with their matching digital front end connected. It does provide analog inputs as well, but if you use them the signal is converted to digital PWM for amplification. Being that a significant portion of my listening is with an excellent analog setup, it doesn't seem like an approach that would be a good choice for my needs. If you're all digital though with their digital source it might be worth a listen. Even if you listen to other all digital sources, with another DAC and/or analog preamp connected you would still be re-converting your system's analog output back to digital, which can only further degrade things from my perspective. When I heard it they were using all of the new Technics gear including their speakers, which were all unfamiliar to me so I can't really make any rational judgments on its performance. Hope this helps!
 
Absolutely helps a lot. Thank you.

Now I don't have to obsess about it. I wasn't sure how the digital inputs and conversion was implemented, but it makes sense now.
 
Love the look of those Technics amps. I still have SU-V9 and SU-8099 integrated amps which were TOTL in the late '70's and I still get a kick out of driving some vintage AR's with them.
 
I'd still love to hear it in my system though :D
 
If I'm in that price range I'd much rather go with the Luxman M900-u to match my phenomenal C900-u preamp, each listing for $19,900 in the US. Check out these reviews from Soundstage in which they conclude: "The M-900u is the best-sounding power amp I’ve ever heard. While its price of $19,900 might seem high if you look only at the specs, it isn’t when you examine how the M-900u is built, or -- especially -- when you listen to it. The M-900u is one of the best values in high-end amplifiers." These ultimate reference pieces from Luxman are truly exceptional!
 
I've heard it a few times. Meh. Much better for much less out there.


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Mike - You summarized it very clearly; I didn't want to be too blunt about it or too quick with my opinion just from a show audition in a completely unfamiliar system.
 
audio.bill said:
Mike - You summarized it very clearly; I didn't want to be too blunt about it or too quick with my opinion just from a show audition in a completely unfamiliar system.
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Here's a short list of SS amps that are much better IMO or same/less:

Pass XA or X series
Bryston 28's (new cube 3)
Hegel H30
Parasound JC-1's
McIntosh 601's
Ayre MX-R's (non-20)
...etc, etc.




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Yamaha and Technics are trying to get a foothold in the high-end market with fresh offerings. Unfortunately they are not hitting the mark sonically or visually. Yamaha's A-S3000 integrated amplifier has had its fair share of reliability issues and still looks like Yamaha components released in the 1980's. Technics new SE-R1 stereo power amplifier harkens back to the typical Japanese hi-fi appearance of the same era with a claim to jitter elimination and noise-shaping optimization, whatever that's suppose to mean. Neither the Yamaha integrated amp nor the Technics power amp are getting much attention or positive comments from those who have seen and heard them. Both brand names have lingered too many years in the upper mid-fi arena, making if difficult to shake that impression and reputation with high-end enthusiasts.

I think if Yamaha and Technics are to ever make a real splash in the high-end audio market, they will have to rethink their entire design concept and introduce fresh, unique looking components that exceed anything they have ever done in the past and shed the connection with old design concepts and aesthetics. They may even need to introduce new high-end company names that leave the Yamaha and Technics brands in the shadows, similar to what TEAC did when they introduced Esoteric, and what Pioneer did when they introduced TAD. Start with a blank sheet of paper and create a totally new direction. In my opinion, anything short of a completely fresh approach to sharing the spotlight with true high-end manufacturers will only serve to keep them on the fringe of the market they so desperately wish to join.
 
I've been looking at the Yamaha A-S3000 integrated but am worried about reliability. There are some deals out there but I do NOT want any issues with it not working.
 
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