Russian Tube Export Ban

mulveling

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So there will be no more Russian tube imports until AT LEAST end of year, and possibly much longer. KT88/120/150 tube listings have already evaporated from big reseller sites like Upscale and Tube Depot. Reportedly, the Chinese and JJ are having massive issues supplying much of anything. My concern is more centered around:
  1. Will the New Sensor factory survive this?
  2. Will boutique hifi tube amp manufacturers (like ARC and VAC) be OK?
My God, I hope so! This is a bad day for audiophiles, to be sure.

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Does anyone know a source for KT88/120/150 tubes that isn't Russian? I can only think of Psvane.

So now the Russian factories shut their furnaces, lay off employees, and hope they can get customers back later in an increasingly difficult market for Russian products. Not a win for anyone. I do not understand the strategy.

Before the export ban I was already wondering if manufacturers were looking for alternate sources.
 
Shitty for suppliers and consumers, but I think many are counting on this being part of a win for freedom from tyranny.

You missed the part about not understanding the strategy. Remember it is an export ban, not an import ban. Results are the same to manufacturers and consumers who need tubes but it was not them instigating the ban.

Just to be clear, I do not want my dollars going to Russia under the current regime.
 
Saw it, just didn't want to go deeper into political and macro-economic stuff here. Was reluctant to even post what I did but I felt it was at least partly relevant. Again, agree - shitty situation, and there are reasons on both sides of this; at root, economic warfare.
 
Saw it, just didn't want to go deeper into political and macro-economic stuff here. Was reluctant to even post what I did but I felt it was at least partly relevant. Again, agree - shitty situation, and there are reasons on both sides of this; at root, economic warfare.

Yes, I understand. Me too. I did not want to get too political but there is an elephant in the room. Hard not to talk about it.
 
I wish I knew what the problems were resurrecting the old RCA plant in Mound House, NV. Two companies tried and failed. Maybe more money or expertise is needed. They started making 6L6 tubes and planned to add KT88 and 6550 variants. I had planned to do a photo report and was disappointed when it never happened.

Maybe a Chinese company will buy the facility and make it work. :dunno::lol:
 
It feels like regulations and cost issues will be prohibitive to tube production in the USA. We're not nearly as free as we used to be. Maybe Western Electric in GA can pull it off for a few expensive 300B's. But to make enough low cost tubes over a wide swath of types like New Sensor, to feed our little cottage tube amp industry (and musicians)? I'm getting bad vibes here :(
 
Well, if I still had any tube gear I would 100% be looking into NOS tubes. Definitely would not purchase anything made in Russia. I really feel bad for, and I am worried for the people who are having their homes, neighborhoods, cities, hospitals, bridges, roads, schools, apartments, etc., etc., being destroyed by a tyrant. Getting their tubes is one of the least important worries in the world at this point.
 
Yes, I understand. Me too. I did not want to get too political but there is an elephant in the room. Hard not to talk about it.

I'm not being political at all, I just wish someone would remove that little KGB piss-ant thug.....:mad:
 
I know this is a few week old thread. Just a few data points for your consideration:

1. Electro Harmonix which is owned by an American (Mike Matthews) owns the New Sensor plant in Russia that produces the tubes under the Tung-Sol, Electro-Harmonix, EH Gold, Genalex Gold Lion, Mullard, Svetlana and Sovtek brands.
2. Only two other sources globally: JJ tubes which is in Croatia and PSVane from China. Both JJ and PS Vane are much smaller suppliers and have already been dealing with 6-month back orders as they try to ramp up manufacturing which was impacted by the COVID pandemic. Their 6-month back orders pre-dated Russia's incursion into the Ukraine and the subsequent export ban of the 200 products cited above by Mike Matthews in mulveling's post above kicking off this thread.
3. Mike Matthews has subsequently come out with a statement saying that EH has figured out how to resume exports from their New Sensor plant in Russia (Electro-Harmonix says export ban on Russian tubes has been lifted, warns of tariffs, higher prices and shortages | MusicRadar), however, "in a statement released by EHX founder Mike Matthews, the company were prioritising existing orders, and hope to resume shipping in April. But Matthews warned of price rises, tariffs on exports, and inevitable tube shortages further down the line."
4. As we all know, only two main niche industries use vacuum tubes: hifi and guitar amp manufacturers. The market isn't big enough to attract new suppliers plus finding knowledgeable folks who know the ins and outs of how to manufacture tubes is difficult and the equipment used to manufacture tubes is antiquated (much the same problem we see with vinyl production where pressing plants have to buy old pressing machines and refurbish if they can find any or use the machines they buy for parts for their existing equipment that need to be fixed/maintained). The economics to justify investment in new facilities that can manufacture at scale are not there hence we will remain in a supply-constrained world.

I am not making any political statements here. Just presenting the facts.

I sent my Audio Research Ref CD7 and Ref 110 amplifier to be serviced right after Thanks Giving. I also bought a replacement tube set for my Ref 3 from ARC. The CD7 and the Ref 3 tube set got back to me right before the outbreak of the Russian-Ukranian war (ARC had a 8-10 week wait time on their repairs as they are down to 1.5 technicians as they had a few experienced folks leave during COVID pandemic). So my Ref 110 is still there and I received an email from them saying that they don't have visibility on when they will get restocked on tubes for their repairs/servicing units(I am assuming they are using what tube inventories they have on hand to put into their production units and maybe to service units still under warranty coverage). So I am hoping that with the hopeful resumption of tube exports in April from New Sensor in Russia that this tube shortage phenomenon will start to alleviate in the coming months. In the meantime, the unscrupulous online sellers that have used old tubes or supposedly good condition NOS tubes are marking up crappy product by 300-500% (and in some cases even more).

Crazy times we live in but clearly this is a wake up call to the niche hifi and guitar amp industries and it may spell the eventual demise of the vacuum tube amplifier as we know it.
 
Good to hear from you Cyril. Hope you’re well.


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Yup, this was/is a concern for me as well and one reason (not the only one) that I decided to get out of tube gear all together.
 
3. Mike Matthews has subsequently come out with a statement saying that EH has figured out how to resume exports from their New Sensor plant in Russia (Electro-Harmonix says export ban on Russian tubes has been lifted, warns of tariffs, higher prices and shortages | MusicRadar), however, "in a statement released by EHX founder Mike Matthews, the company were prioritising existing orders, and hope to resume shipping in April. But Matthews warned of price rises, tariffs on exports, and inevitable tube shortages further down the line."

I've been scratching my head over this one; I know Matthews imports some Chinese tubes... my theory at this point is that he's got a contact in China that is importing the tubes to China then exporting them to him- thus the 35% increase...

A few years back some oligarchs were trying to shut down the Sovtek plant and so a concentrated international protest occurred that included letters from such people as Neil Young, since if the tube plant were bulldozed that would threaten the music industry worldwide. That is still the case. So my alternate explanation is that Matthews went to the State Department to seek an expectation which was granted. Either way I worry that some of the monies is funding Putin's insanity. Its one thing to find out that is the case after the fact, its quite another to go into that knowing full well...
 
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