Regenerators vs. Conditioners

[Dragon_vibe]

before the Elgars I asked about the Torus, as I was having problems finding decent Elgar units, He still suggested to me to look for the Elgar's as they are superior to the Torus Units. However The torus stuff are good and much better than many out there. It was a total headache looking for them. He said its well worth the cost and headache as there is nothing that can match these units.

 

[FlexibleAudio]

before the Elgars I asked about the Torus, as I was having problems finding decent Elgar units, He still suggested to me to look for the Elgar's as they are superior to the Torus Units. However The torus stuff are good and much better than many out there. It was a total headache looking for them. He said its well worth the cost and headache as there is nothing that can match these units.

Ok, well in that case, I take everything back I said about Ralph being a smart guy.......seriously though, I wonder to what extent he was evaluating the NBT technology and a wall mount versus the stand alone bench top units before NBT. Without NBT and the massive current reserves of a wall mount I would agree with his statements. With them, I think he is wrong.

 

[Dragon_vibe]

Well I never asked specifically which was is he comparing too, what he said to me was the speed and distortion rate of the Elgar can not be matched and are superior saying that, I wander if you have a detail spec of the NBT Wall mount series I would love to take a look and compare both just for fun. Iv not looked into the Wall mount series before as its not available for anyone else world wide except north America. The Elgar is a bench top unit not wall mounted. So there is also a difference there.

The basic spec for Elgar:

Im not gona bother reading the 48 pages of the detailed spec, just interested on how this compares to Torus in general.

 

[FlexibleAudio]

Well I never asked specifically which was is he comparing too, what he said to me was the speed and distortion rate of the Elgar can not be matched and are superior saying that, I wander if you have a detail spec of the NBT Wall mount series I would love to take a look and compare both just for fun. Iv not looked into the Wall mount series before as its not available for anyone else world wide except north America. The Elgar is a bench top unit not wall mounted. So there is also a difference there.

The basic spec for Elgar:

Im not gona bother reading the 48 pages of the detailed spec, just interested on how this compares to Torus in general.

As the measurements below indicate the cleanup of common and differential mode line noise is within the margin of error of the measuring device (i.e., immeasurable). I would suspect both units do a good job in this regard. Where I would expect the Torus to be superior is the rise time or instantaneous power capability.

NBT transformer design carefully balances the inherent inductance, capacitance, and resistance characteristics of the toroidal transformer, enabling the transformer to act as a very effective low-pass filter. No other external components are required. This technology eliminates series inductors and filter capacitors in the primary circuit. It also eliminates the need for a low distortion oscillator that requires the unit to compare this oscillator to that of the output of the transformer and applies a correction signal to a feedback winding on the transformer.

While this is done very fast relative to some designs, the only impediment to instant current from the Torus is output impedance which is extremely low given it uses no components beyond the transformer itself. With 9 kva compared to 3 kva it also has massive reserves. I do not see a response time quoted for the Torus as I have been told the available current is simply "instant" by the Torus guys up to the rated amps. I have asked them for the units actual output impedance in lieu thereof just cuz now I am curious.

 

[Dragon_vibe]

I will also look in to both and see how they compare. However your comparing a 3KV vs a 9KV its like comparing a large 4000cc engines to smaller 1000cc engines. Elgar is rack mounted or desk mounted. Here is the electrical power spec. I supposed some of the information is either of the site of from the sales rep? .

this is a bit like DAC companies each one believes there form of technology is always superior than everyone else.

Maybe you can ask them for a more detailed spec, on distortion measured up to full power, response time & current reserved

I cant seen to find it on Torus website or the instruction paper they provide on the AVR series. The specification are not as detailed....