My lying ears!

In my case I discovered years ago that I can do pretty much anything to a setup..and upon a next listen, immediately detect a change in the sound character.
A very large percentage of these perceived changes though disappear over time as my own expectation bias diminishes.

Closely related to this is my own listening mode. whether in a detection mode, or an enjoyment mode. Detection mode sucks and has nothing whatsoever to do with enjoying music. There is simply no way I could ever attend some event, sitting in a room with 50 people, playing a cut here and there and make any kind of worthwhile determination.

On one hand sure, do a quadruple blind scientific A/B test, on the other hand this kind of testing means nothing whatsoever to me.
Let me spend a couple months with a setup. relaxing, falling asleep and or tapping my toe with excitement. In a couple months I'll know if changing the light bulb in the garage to an Audiophile Quantum LED one actually did improve the stereo as was suggested in the latest edition of Super Duper Audiophile Tweak Magazine. :D
 
In my case I discovered years ago that I can do pretty much anything to a setup..and upon a next listen, immediately detect a change in the sound character.
A very large percentage of these perceived changes though disappear over time as my own expectation bias diminishes.

Closely related to this is my own listening mode. whether in a detection mode, or an enjoyment mode. Detection mode sucks and has nothing whatsoever to do with enjoying music. There is simply no way I could ever attend some event, sitting in a room with 50 people, playing a cut here and there and make any kind of worthwhile determination.

On one hand sure, do a quadruple blind scientific A/B test, on the other hand this kind of testing means nothing whatsoever to me.
Let me spend a couple months with a setup. relaxing, falling asleep and or tapping my toe with excitement. In a couple months I'll know if changing the light bulb in the garage to an Audiophile Quantum LED one actually did improve the stereo as was suggested in the latest edition of Super Duper Audiophile Tweak Magazine. :D


Do you have a link for this magazine subscription? My garage appears to have cast a veil over my listening room, my witch doctor fell off her broom, and my HFT's aren't getting me quite there.

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An interesting letter ,courtesy of the CA website.
Computer Audiophile - My Lying Ears

Keith.......That was an enjoyable read that presented some interesting points to consider about how we listen and what we listen for in our systems.

Reading that article reminded me of an experience I went through many years ago in the pre-digital era around 1981. Having been serious about sound reproduction since 1968 when I purchased my first decent audio gear, I had come a long way or so I thought in developing trained ears. Through these years I had assembled a number of different sound systems. Amps, speakers, turntables, phono cartridges, reel to reel tape machines had come and gone as I gained knowledge and made improvements.

What happened to my pleasure of enjoying music gradually faded to the background as my obsession with searching for sonic flaws in my system took over my consciousness. This didn't happen overnight. I didn't even realize it was happening until one day I was listening to an album I knew well and had played innumerable times. Instead of enjoying the music, allowing the sound to capture my imagination and involve me emotionally, I was sitting there slightly uptight and irritated, unable to relax as I searched for any infinitesimal moment where I might hear the faintest sound of any type of distortion. In other words, I had become a fanatic searching for the tiniest irregularities in sound reproduction. My sound system had become lab equipment in some ongoing research experiment. I constantly searched for inner groove distortion, stylus tracking issues, tonearm resonances, rumble, wow and flutter, feedback, on and on. I was no longer hearing music because now the sounds were more or less just variable test tones to aid the exposure of flaws I knew must be present no matter what, and I was on a mission to find them. I was out of control and had completely lost my enthusiasm for listening to music.

Once I came to the realization that I had lost the true purpose for owning all this audio gear and accepted the fact that I was driving myself mad with my behavior, I made the decision to quit listening to my sound system. I told myself the best thing I could do was to embrace silence because there is no distortion in that. And so it went, I shut down the sound system. I allowed nearly seven weeks to pass without listening to my sound system, not even the tuner. I played my guitar, took long walks, went to bed early, visited some clubs where live jazz was played at night, and slowly adjusted to the peacefulness that gradually came over me. I spent time thinking about how obsessed I had become with my sound system's performance and began to realize there is a time and place for critical observations, the reviewers hat so to speak, and there's a time and place for simply enjoying the purpose of owning audio equipment, just listening to music.

At the end of week seven I began to feel I was ready to reengage with my sound system. I had done enough thinking about what had driven me to near insanity that I felt I could now control my thoughts and find that space in my mind where music arrived first. I made the move, turned on my sound system, placed an LP on the turntable and sat down to listen. My first impression was how fabulous I thought the system sounded. I had gone nearly two months without listening and was keenly aware of the excellent reproduction and the joy of listening to music in my room again. On occasion I found myself wanting to slip into that reviewer's hat but caught myself and controlled my attention to remain focused on the music, follow the beat, feel the bass, embrace the event, relax. It became a continuing lesson to retrain my mind, learn to ignore the nitpicking of the gear and remain immersed in the musical performances. It slowly became second nature and exciting to hear the music and not the gear, except for those times I intended to critically evaluate equipment. To this day I occasionally slip into the reviewers hat without conscious thought, then catch myself and shut it down. I don't want the audio gear to be the reason I spend so much time in my sound room. I want to listen to music.
 
Great post Double-D. I find myself going through periods of silence more and more after getting a little bit too obsessive.
 
Great post Double-D. I find myself going through periods of silence more and more after getting a little bit too obsessive.

This is all starting to remind me of the time Ethan Winer stated on WBF that he had improved his room and his stereo system to the point that he only had around 3 CDs that sounded good enough to play on his system. Of course people jumped all over that to point out the obvious that if you can only play 3 CDs on your system because the rest sound so bad, there is something seriously wrong with your system. That led Ethan to jump on his English racer and start backpedaling as quick as he possibly could.

My point here is that there is a difference between never being satisfied because you have impossible expectations even though you have a really nice system vice having a system that pretty much blows.
 
Keith.......That was an enjoyable read that presented some interesting points to consider about how we listen and what we listen for in our systems.

Reading that article reminded me of an experience I went through many years ago in the pre-digital era around 1981. Having been serious about sound reproduction since 1968 when I purchased my first decent audio gear, I had come a long way or so I thought in developing trained ears. Through these years I had assembled a number of different sound systems. Amps, speakers, turntables, phono cartridges, reel to reel tape machines had come and gone as I gained knowledge and made improvements.

What happened to my pleasure of enjoying music gradually faded to the background as my obsession with searching for sonic flaws in my system took over my consciousness. This didn't happen overnight. I didn't even realize it was happening until one day I was listening to an album I knew well and had played innumerable times. Instead of enjoying the music, allowing the sound to capture my imagination and involve me emotionally, I was sitting there slightly uptight and irritated, unable to relax as I searched for any infinitesimal moment where I might hear the faintest sound of any type of distortion. In other words, I had become a fanatic searching for the tiniest irregularities in sound reproduction. My sound system had become lab equipment in some ongoing research experiment. I constantly searched for inner groove distortion, stylus tracking issues, tonearm resonances, rumble, wow and flutter, feedback, on and on. I was no longer hearing music because now the sounds were more or less just variable test tones to aid the exposure of flaws I knew must be present no matter what, and I was on a mission to find them. I was out of control and had completely lost my enthusiasm for listening to music.

Once I came to the realization that I had lost the true purpose for owning all this audio gear and accepted the fact that I was driving myself mad with my behavior, I made the decision to quit listening to my sound system. I told myself the best thing I could do was to embrace silence because there is no distortion in that. And so it went, I shut down the sound system. I allowed nearly seven weeks to pass without listening to my sound system, not even the tuner. I played my guitar, took long walks, went to bed early, visited some clubs where live jazz was played at night, and slowly adjusted to the peacefulness that gradually came over me. I spent time thinking about how obsessed I had become with my sound system's performance and began to realize there is a time and place for critical observations, the reviewers hat so to speak, and there's a time and place for simply enjoying the purpose of owning audio equipment, just listening to music.

At the end of week seven I began to feel I was ready to reengage with my sound system. I had done enough thinking about what had driven me to near insanity that I felt I could now control my thoughts and find that space in my mind where music arrived first. I made the move, turned on my sound system, placed an LP on the turntable and sat down to listen. My first impression was how fabulous I thought the system sounded. I had gone nearly two months without listening and was keenly aware of the excellent reproduction and the joy of listening to music in my room again. On occasion I found myself wanting to slip into that reviewer's hat but caught myself and controlled my attention to remain focused on the music, follow the beat, feel the bass, embrace the event, relax. It became a continuing lesson to retrain my mind, learn to ignore the nitpicking of the gear and remain immersed in the musical performances. It slowly became second nature and exciting to hear the music and not the gear, except for those times I intended to critically evaluate equipment. To this day I occasionally slip into the reviewers hat without conscious thought, then catch myself and shut it down. I don't want the audio gear to be the reason I spend so much time in my sound room. I want to listen to music.

This is exactly how I feel about our hobby.

I too have fallen into the trap that Dan is talking about. When we only listen critically, we've lost our way. And it's difficult to regain our love of music when that happens. Sometimes you just have to get away for a while and refocus.
 
This exact thread was cross-posted on another forum where it has garnered far more responses than it has here and that doesn't surprise me one bit. That forum is populated heavily by people who hate their ears and never trust them and they are constantly trying to convince everyone else who still believes in their ears to stop doing that. However, there was one response that I thought was pretty good and I quote:

So we have a clueless amateur building & designing speakers without taking any measurements, messes up the crossover so badly that his ears shut his body down and then blames them for wasting months instead of admitting that he's a moron. Fantastic! This is what you find a worthwhile read?
 
Will measurements help me feel the music? Will measurements help me connect emotionally to the music?
 
Will measurements help me feel the music? Will measurements help me connect emotionally to the music?

Absolutely if you believe the people who hate their ears because you can't trust the pesky troublemakers.
 
Will measurements help me feel the music? Will measurements help me connect emotionally to the music?
They will help you ensure that you are listening to the record the way the artist intended.
Does a poorly measuring system make you more emotional?
Keith.
 
This exact thread was cross-posted on another forum where it has garnered far more responses than it has here and that doesn't surprise me one bit. That forum is populated heavily by people who hate their ears and never trust them and they are constantly trying to convince everyone else who still believes in their ears to stop doing that. However, there was one response that I thought was pretty good and I quote:
"So we have a clueless amateur building & designing speakers without taking any measurements, messes up the crossover so badly that his ears shut his body down and then blames them for wasting months instead of admitting that he's a moron. Fantastic! This is what you find a worthwhile read?"




Mark.......The post you quoted makes me wonder how that individual managed to acquire enough comprehension skill to read the manual and successfully pass a written drivers license test. In my opinion, if that is all he took away from the Computer Audio article, he may need to find a new hobby, perhaps bungee jumping might interest him.
 
Measurements are great when making changes or adjustments in a system. Since I'm not a constant tweaker, once I've confirmed everything is ok, it's back to enjoying the music.
 
Will measurements help me feel the music? Will measurements help me connect emotionally to the music?
It's nice to know there isn't a big dip or null in frequency response, you may be missing extra detail and may not know it. ;)
 
Mark.......The post you quoted makes me wonder how that individual managed to acquire enough comprehension skill to read the manual and successfully pass a written drivers license test. In my opinion, if that is all he took away from the Computer Audio article, he may need to find a new hobby, perhaps bungee jumping might interest him.

You would need to know who the person is before you jump to conclusions about their intelligence. And second, I agree with what he said. Look, one thing that people on both sides of the argument miss is that there is a place for both measurements and your ears in this hobby. They are not mutually exclusive. If you are designing equipment, you need to be able to take measurements as well as listen to the results. If you want to measure your room to see where your room nodes are and understand what is going on in your room, you need to measure obviously. However, if you want to compare the sound of two different preamps, power amps, etc., if you need to stare at a spec sheet to make your purchasing decision after you have determined that your electrical requirements have been met, that's another issue. At some point, it does come down to your ears.

Building a pair of homemade active speakers requires the ability to take measurements pure and simple. It's no surprise that he couldn't achieve great results by trying to do what he did. No respectable speaker company designs speakers without great measuring tools. It's analogous to stepping out into a busy street before you look and getting run over and coming to the conclusion that you actually should have looked both ways before you stepped off the curb. There are no earth-shattering revelations in that article. It's more of the 'Mr. Obvious' type of revelation.
 
That's right specs tell you precisely what will be suitable for your needs, they save you blinding changing components in the hope you will find something suitable.
Keith.
 
Mark.......First, I wasn't addressing the poster's intelligence quotient, just his comprehension. From his comment I thought he managed to dismiss as worthless much of the intent of the article. Second, a home hobbyist building speakers in the garage isn't the same as a manufacturer designing a product to take to market in a facility designed to support that activity with all resources and skilled personnel at hand. After much experimentation the home hobbyist speaker builder did use measuring equipment and ultimately made adjustments to his crossover that resulted in improving the speaker's performance. I was impressed with the writers selfless descriptions of his own ineptness and how he came to the realization of what he didn't know when he thought he did. I was actually more impressed with that aspect of the article than the gist of the topic, and I was also impressed with his writing skills.
 
Man, it's 2015 and there are *still* audiophiles who believe that listening and measuring are mutually exclusive. Le sigh.
 
It's nice to know there isn't a big dip or null in frequency response, you may be missing extra detail and may not know it. ;)

Truthfully, I DO know of a speaker like this. So, you have a point.
 
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