barrows
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No, Adrian Lebena is the VP of Sonore/Simple Design
Music Server - Laptop-NAS Cabling
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No, Adrian Lebena is the VP of Sonore/Simple Design
barrows
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Do not use "sterling" silver for electrical connections, Sterling is an alloy used by jewelers because of its higher strength and resistance to corrosion vs pure silver.
barrows
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This is the response I just received from Adrian regarding his communication with you:
"[FONT="]I told him that if he had the Audioquest on hand might as well use it. We do prefer the CAT 6a from Blue Jeans but why spend money if he already had the Audioquest."
So there we have it. The official Sonore [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]recommendation is Blue Jeans Cable CAT 6A.
Anyone looking to try various audiophile Ethernet cables out there is recommended to do comparisons vs. the BJC CAT 6A to be sure there is a reliable benchmark for comparison. Please stay away from generic Ethernet cables as many of these are of suspect Chinese origin and do not meet their marked specification. The BJC CAT 6A is produced by Belden in the USA, and terminated and then tested by BJC in WA. See this page for info:
[/FONT]https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/index.htm
Kingrex
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Barrows, your talking raw Belden 4800 cmr or cmp bonded cat 6. The belden catalog calls it bonded non bonded. Not sure why. No shielding.
barrows
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see the info at the link for BJC above. The CAT 6A they terminate and sell is made especially for them it appears by Belden.
Kingrex
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Look I'm not trying to pick an argument here, but if a cable is made by Belden especially for BJC, then isn't that an audiophile ethernet cable. I thought your point was plain old Belden cable was the basis and beyond that was everything else.
CPP
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One thing I like they provide a test sheet of the cable you bought that proves the cable meets the Cat 6A spec. .
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/networkcablereports.htm
Kingrex
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I like I can get 1000 feet of Belden cable for $335 as a contractor. Good ends are $18 each. I can fabricate to length. No connectors at the wall or punchdown terminals at the switch.
I did just purchase 1000 feet of cat 6 by Communications cable. It's really for the job site. Cost me about a hundred and thirty for a thousand feet. I would be willing to purchase 1000 feet of Belden if people wanted to go in on it. My clients are not asking for any specific wire so I get what works and is affordable. It's hard to sell wire 3 times the price of regular for small office or home. .
I did just purchase 1000 feet of cat 6 by Communications cable. It's really for the job site. Cost me about a hundred and thirty for a thousand feet. I would be willing to purchase 1000 feet of Belden if people wanted to go in on it. My clients are not asking for any specific wire so I get what works and is affordable. It's hard to sell wire 3 times the price of regular for small office or home. .
barrows
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At ~$1.50 USD a foot for the BJC CAT 6A I hardly think that is comparable to what is offered by Audioquest, Wireworld, etc.
rrwmd
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Not that it really matters but... I’m pretty sure it was as I remembered. The Rendu was the first piece of audio equipment I ever had that required an ethernet cable, so I wouldn’t have already had the Audioquest cable...
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A few thoughts and suggestions on network cables
buying on the internet is ok if it’s from known sources. The Asians have killed credibility on selling fake products.
As a electrical contractor they sell outlets , circuit breakers ,
seal tight , gfci outlets and many other products
i have seen cat xxx not made to specs and if i use my 6k data analiser it’s obviously fake.
Even looks is not correct.
Sanore makes good products and I’ll bet has his hands full with the many off spec data cables made. Exotic audio cables are rarely better in specs. What they mostly are is off spec variations that add jitter that makes them sound better or worse.
Each data port has specs to be followed and any data stream has error correction at work. The off spec cables effect the process.
Cat 7 and 7a is RFI emi shielded and yes a higher data freq. copper solid is best but stiff so if you’re data cable flex’s it’s fake lol.
Cat 6a I use on shirt runs cat 7a for longer runs.
I buy ready made cables as to make them and I can is not Worth the effort.
The shieled cables have metal connectors. No audio devices I have seen uses them
so they mean nothing unless one side is connected to the metal Chasi of one device
just push in a 22 gauge copper wire along the side of the lan port.
Cat 7 and 7 a has real rfi end emi shielding this makes it good for long runs but it still should not be ran next to Power cables.
Cross at 90 • is fine.
If I may suggest a network iso or two by emo systms they cost from 80 to 200 usd and do make a very easy to hear improvement. Many devices claim galvanic but do not the devices i posted does. Some make cards that use a a few types of IC chips that hurt the sound
j cat whom I like makes one that hurts
network isolation and an audio network is a great idea as networking traffic kills the sound too. Don’t use a routuer as a network switch in audio it’s too busy and has priority steams that hurt your sound.
All of the above are facts not fiction. And I don’t make products or am involved in making them. I have no dog in this fight.
Lastly Brad a laptop is poor choice over all for a music server but fine for a control point
I hope I have helped some
buying on the internet is ok if it’s from known sources. The Asians have killed credibility on selling fake products.
As a electrical contractor they sell outlets , circuit breakers ,
seal tight , gfci outlets and many other products
i have seen cat xxx not made to specs and if i use my 6k data analiser it’s obviously fake.
Even looks is not correct.
Sanore makes good products and I’ll bet has his hands full with the many off spec data cables made. Exotic audio cables are rarely better in specs. What they mostly are is off spec variations that add jitter that makes them sound better or worse.
Each data port has specs to be followed and any data stream has error correction at work. The off spec cables effect the process.
Cat 7 and 7a is RFI emi shielded and yes a higher data freq. copper solid is best but stiff so if you’re data cable flex’s it’s fake lol.
Cat 6a I use on shirt runs cat 7a for longer runs.
I buy ready made cables as to make them and I can is not Worth the effort.
The shieled cables have metal connectors. No audio devices I have seen uses them
so they mean nothing unless one side is connected to the metal Chasi of one device
just push in a 22 gauge copper wire along the side of the lan port.
Cat 7 and 7 a has real rfi end emi shielding this makes it good for long runs but it still should not be ran next to Power cables.
Cross at 90 • is fine.
If I may suggest a network iso or two by emo systms they cost from 80 to 200 usd and do make a very easy to hear improvement. Many devices claim galvanic but do not the devices i posted does. Some make cards that use a a few types of IC chips that hurt the sound
j cat whom I like makes one that hurts
network isolation and an audio network is a great idea as networking traffic kills the sound too. Don’t use a routuer as a network switch in audio it’s too busy and has priority steams that hurt your sound.
All of the above are facts not fiction. And I don’t make products or am involved in making them. I have no dog in this fight.
Lastly Brad a laptop is poor choice over all for a music server but fine for a control point
I hope I have helped some
Kingrex
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Hey Al. Was thinking Blue Jean, but now I see others that appear better. Sent a text to the Linear Solution. Want to know if I need high end cable before his switch or does the switch repair and retime the packets. I assume you want an isolator. Between my switch and server meaning I need 2 cables not one.
Yes two iso devices
one at input to server
one at input to your audio network. It should be placed close to input devices
but if you have one network switch it would be at input assuming your nas is also at the network switch. This isolates your audio from the home.
If you can use your router to assign this network it’s own ip so network traffic is only within the connected devices attached to your switch.
The second one goes at input of lan port st server. If you choose only one try it at each location but sever first as I feel it will do more there. If you use tidal it will improve tidal if used at input to switch. Now I don’t know what your audio grade network SW does so it may be only needed in one location.
one at input to server
one at input to your audio network. It should be placed close to input devices
but if you have one network switch it would be at input assuming your nas is also at the network switch. This isolates your audio from the home.
If you can use your router to assign this network it’s own ip so network traffic is only within the connected devices attached to your switch.
The second one goes at input of lan port st server. If you choose only one try it at each location but sever first as I feel it will do more there. If you use tidal it will improve tidal if used at input to switch. Now I don’t know what your audio grade network SW does so it may be only needed in one location.
Kingrex
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I have been talking to others and hear cat8 done right is better short runs are best. Depending on your system, there are places for better cable and places for decent cable.
I also hear the differences are not great. Changes such as power supplies, power from the wall and power cords make a larger sonic difference.
I also hear the differences are not great. Changes such as power supplies, power from the wall and power cords make a larger sonic difference.
barrows
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Short LAN cables defeat one of the biggest benefits of using Ethernet distributed audio: the fact that one can locate commercial computer gear well away from the system. Do not buy into the fear of a longer Ethernet run such that it makes you put your NAS/Server, router, switch, etc in the audio room near your system. Use a really good Ethernet Renderer (like Sonore), be suspicious of the built in Ethernet inputs in some DACs (some are not good, some are, they are getting better, but some DAC makers are just buying the cheapest off the shelf solution they can find which works), and get the commercial computer gear away from the audio system, and preferably plugged in to the opposite phase of your home's AC supply.
Regular, commercial computer gear radiates a lot of noise, both through the air, and through any (including AC) cables connected to it, getting this stuff physically and electrically away from the audio system is an advantage. I cringe when i see folks trying all kinds of Ethernet tweaks, when they have a NAS/Server, router, and/or switch all in the listening room.