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KeithR
Active member
no rising upper midrange like the Qs...also interesting comments on steady-state measurements
I really like these speakers and thought they sounded good on the first day at Axpona. I can only imagine how good they sound in a proper room with proper setup. The pictures also don't do the looks justice. They are real stunning in person. Too bad they were a limited production.
a.wayne
Well-known member
Not sure what to get from the article, is it a review ?
"To put this concisely, part of the reason that past Magicos have sounded a bit brightish (or sterile or analytical or cold—choose your own slur) to some listeners is because their leaner, harder-to-generate, more “correct-on-paper” bass left their presence, brilliance, and treble range more “exposed”—at least on some kinds of music." - JV
looks like the M-Project is still lean in the Bass,
"While a mere 0.1" larger diameter might not sound significant, it is in fact a critical difference, because it allows the tweeter to play lower into the upper midrange without distortion (thus allowing Magico to lower the crossover point between it and the midrange driver—and simplify the crossover). According to Magico the larger diameter also allows the tweeter to play louder with lower distortion, improves treble dispersion, and eliminates the need for a Gundry dip to disguise the crossover point." - JV
So the speakers before had a Gundry dip ..? no distortion in the M, does this mean there was distortion before and none now, No distortion !!!
JV, may need to look more carefully before throwing this kind of stuff out ...
Additionally, 35 yrs ago we experimented with different cabinet material, (Hartley 24inch driver) we tried concrete, bass never sounded right, then Marble, Nope, just too different , I didn't but others did build with 1inch wall aluminum , nope, for some reason the bass never sounded natural until we went back to wood, .not that Wood is superior, most likely because it's what we have a reference to, when our frame of reference becomes instruments made from synthetic materials, who knows, i think this is why some may have an issue with the Bass, from the measurements in that article, it's obviously not lean...
Then again i still find Paper superior in the mid-range when voicing.....
"To put this concisely, part of the reason that past Magicos have sounded a bit brightish (or sterile or analytical or cold—choose your own slur) to some listeners is because their leaner, harder-to-generate, more “correct-on-paper” bass left their presence, brilliance, and treble range more “exposed”—at least on some kinds of music." - JV
looks like the M-Project is still lean in the Bass,
"While a mere 0.1" larger diameter might not sound significant, it is in fact a critical difference, because it allows the tweeter to play lower into the upper midrange without distortion (thus allowing Magico to lower the crossover point between it and the midrange driver—and simplify the crossover). According to Magico the larger diameter also allows the tweeter to play louder with lower distortion, improves treble dispersion, and eliminates the need for a Gundry dip to disguise the crossover point." - JV
So the speakers before had a Gundry dip ..? no distortion in the M, does this mean there was distortion before and none now, No distortion !!!
JV, may need to look more carefully before throwing this kind of stuff out ...
Additionally, 35 yrs ago we experimented with different cabinet material, (Hartley 24inch driver) we tried concrete, bass never sounded right, then Marble, Nope, just too different , I didn't but others did build with 1inch wall aluminum , nope, for some reason the bass never sounded natural until we went back to wood, .not that Wood is superior, most likely because it's what we have a reference to, when our frame of reference becomes instruments made from synthetic materials, who knows, i think this is why some may have an issue with the Bass, from the measurements in that article, it's obviously not lean...
Then again i still find Paper superior in the mid-range when voicing.....
BlueFox
New member
Perhaps he doesn't understand what he is saying? For example,
"The ear/brain doesn’t hear the way a measurement microphone attached to a computer does. When it comes to amplitude (and everything else) a microphone/computer hears everything equally well—its “hearing” is near-perfectly flat. The response of our ear/brain, however, is not perfectly flat."
Duh. Of course everyone has different hearing abilities. While, as a group, we can say human hearing covers some range, the actual response will be different for everyone due to ear shape, etc. Obviously, add in an infinite number of room designs, coupled with individual hearing abilities, you have an infinite number of possible frequency curves to deal with. So, you have to design to measurements for consistent results. If a manufacturer made a speaker that matched your hearing, in your room, then very few people could afford that speaker. This is where DSP will really take speakers to the next level.
"The ear/brain doesn’t hear the way a measurement microphone attached to a computer does. When it comes to amplitude (and everything else) a microphone/computer hears everything equally well—its “hearing” is near-perfectly flat. The response of our ear/brain, however, is not perfectly flat."
Duh. Of course everyone has different hearing abilities. While, as a group, we can say human hearing covers some range, the actual response will be different for everyone due to ear shape, etc. Obviously, add in an infinite number of room designs, coupled with individual hearing abilities, you have an infinite number of possible frequency curves to deal with. So, you have to design to measurements for consistent results. If a manufacturer made a speaker that matched your hearing, in your room, then very few people could afford that speaker. This is where DSP will really take speakers to the next level.
a.wayne
Well-known member
Agree Bud,
audio.bill
Active member
If anyone is seriously interested in purchasing a pair, I know an authorized US Magico dealer that has a pair still available unopened in their factory crates. Feel free to contact me and I'll pass along his contact information. As a disclaimer I have no financial connection to this dealer, but can vouch for his honesty and legitimacy.