Load Impedance

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I own a new Ortofon Windfeld cartridge and they recommended a load impedance of >10 Ohm. However, the McIntosh C1000 MC both Tube and Solid State preamps lower to a minimum of 25 Ohms. I've set my system to this setting. The recommended setting is not an option.

Ortofon Specifications

Suggestions?
 
Spec says greater than 10ohm. You will go much higher with the C1000 and dial back from where it sounds edgy.
 
A good place to start is use the 10-20 rule.....what ever the dcr is multiply that by a factor of 10-20 times, some use 25 times, start with 10 times (40 ohms or close to it in your case) if you feel a lack of sparkle and closed in then less loading (higher number) adjust until you like, opposite if too lively, sparkle, etc ......this is just a place to start and YMMV applies!
 
I've heard that, as a rule of thumb, you wanted to start at 10X the cartridges internal impedance as a minimum. I would try 25, but expect to start at at least 50 and move up.

The Windfield's internal impedance is listed at 4.



I own a new Ortofon Windfeld cartridge and they recommended a load impedance of >10 Ohm. However, the McIntosh C1000 MC both Tube and Solid State preamps lower to a minimum of 25 Ohms. I've set my system to this setting. The recommended setting is not an option.

Ortofon Specifications

Suggestions?
 
Loading on low output moving coil cartridges is really not about anything at audio frequencies. Its about high frequency resonance, well outside the audio band unless you have a very high inductance cartridge and very high capacitance interconnect.

The reason is that the inductance of the cartridge and the capacitance of the cable form a tuned circuit, often in the Radio Frequency range. If the preamp has problems with bursts of RFI at its input, the loading is likely to be critical. Otherwise, it won't be.

The thing to note here is that with LOMC cartridges, loading is all about the preamp and nothing to do with the cartridge. If you think you hear effects from loading (more laid back high end, things like that) its an indication that your preamp has RFI issues. More likely this will be a bigger problem with solid state preamps, where RFI is more easily rectified. But design problems can cause tube phono sections to rectify (convert from RF to audio) RF as well.

When a manufacturer says a cartridge should be loaded at a really low impedance as suggested in this thread, its an indication that the preamp they use has RFI problems. One thing to consider is that the interconnect is a variable in this, and so the actual loading value that really does the trick is not cast in concrete either.
 
I am using my new Winfield as we speak. I tried many loadings.....clearly the best for MY system is 1000 ohms. I tried 500, 47000, and others, but the 1000 ohm setting is CLEARLY the best.....most open, most delicacy, best bass, etc., etc. It took mine lots of time to really shine (I believe it is still breaking in) I had a Benz LPS, and the Windfield is better in some respects, and as good in others. Clearly its a great cartridge. The Windfield is very sensitive to setup...make sure you adjust your azimuth and vta to your liking. I'm using a VPI 3D arm...the back end is a bit up. Listening while adjusting will give you the correct indications...the cartridge is very revealing.
 
What Ralph said.

Look at the graphs in #32 and you might want to read the thread. They nicely illustrate the ultrasonic effects of loading. I have played around with the capacitance of phono cables though and not found a huge difference with different cables. It might be due to the phono section I'm using being less affected by these ultrasonic peaks???

Cartridge Loading- A Misnomer - Page 4

One other thing. A manufacturer's phono stage may not measure the same at all loading values and for instance might also measure the best at say 100 ohms.
 
The thing to note here is that with LOMC cartridges, loading is all about the preamp and nothing to do with the cartridge.
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Fine answer as always Ralph--keeping us non techies in mind:hey:

What is the reasoning therefore for pundits that state the loading the LOMC is different for where a SUT is used /necessary--or direct into an MC suitable gain Phono stage

Thank you

Bruce
 
^^ An SUT simply does not have the bandwidth to pass RFI into the preamp. So you don't have any worries there. What you do have to deal with is loading the SUT properly. And that has something to do with what sort of source impedance is driving it. So sometimes you have to have some sort of load at the output of the SUT to prevent it from ringing.

If a transformer is improperly loaded, its frequency response may not be flat, due to capacitive coupling between the windings or ringing effects. So loading them is pretty important!

So I can understand the confusion that exists around this topic because the term 'loading' applies in all cases.

What's not been discussed yet is MM cartridges. If high output as most are, unlike LOMC cartridges they are very much affected by loading at audio frequencies. As a side note, while many audiophiles try to be careful about loading LOMC units, its rare that they are so about MM cartridges, so there is often a lot of performance left on the table. IMO a properly loaded MM can easily keep up with a LOMC if the tone arm has the capacity to track it correctly.
 
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