Blind Test

IME , Jazz venues do have bass drum thud and jump , more band than background noise...

Bad sounding at the dealer usually translate into bad at Home , difference being, you may eventually adjust yourself into liking your purchase , mostly after cable EQ'ing your system to death ..



Regards
 
My amps have jump and are very Musical. They don't have any thud. Thud sounds like thud to me. It doesn't strike me as musical and draws my attention too much.

Live venues are really noisy. People talk and people yelling singing chairs moving round glasses making noise
 
Kingrex said:
Others would find my system to full of air and fun. To much background noise... That's me and I voiced my system that way.
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huummm :doubtful:
Blackground noise is not a good sign.
The high performance we all pursuit is not compatible with blackground noise.




So, i don´t care about blind tests.
We can think if we turn off our vision we gonna have a more accurate listen.
But there are some others factors, like stress. When i´m in a "audiophile group session", even in my house, i don´t have the same clear judgment. There´s always some stress. The same way i judge others opinion, i know they judge mine.
When i´m under pressure, is always more difficult to notice and to describe the differences.
So, i always make my choices alone and i don´t trust in group test/opinions.
And i hope the brands that are pushing high end forward don´t care about all the noise that (some) audiophiles make, and some biased tests and public opinions.
If they go in the right direction (to achive the most fidelity reprodution of the recording), certainly in the end they will find lots of clients. Clients that, like me, make their choices alone, with ears and eyes open, and just don´t care about blind tests.
 
Spock said:
huummm :doubtful:
Blackground noise is not a good sign.
The high performance we all pursuit is not compatible with blackground noise.




So, i don´t care about blind tests.
We can think if we turn off our vision we gonna have a more accurate listen.
But there are some others factors, like stress. When i´m in a "audiophile group session", even in my house, i don´t have the same clear judgment. There´s always some stress. The same way i judge others opinion, i know they judge mine.
When i´m under pressure, is always more difficult to notice and to describe the differences.
So, i always make my choices alone and i don´t trust in group test/opinions.
And i hope the brands that are pushing high end forward don´t care about all the noise that (some) audiophiles make, and some biased tests and public opinions.
If they go in the right direction (to achive the most fidelity reprodution of the recording), certainly in the end they will find lots of clients. Clients that, like me, make their choices alone, with ears and eyes open, and just don´t care about blind tests.
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I don't know many tube amps that rate harmonic distortion levels anywhere near SS levels, yet many people swear by tube amps, noisy or not.
 
a.wayne said:
Stress .... ! Listening to audio ? Good one
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Not when listening to the music but when we are listening to the gear,
yes, in group, when we have to make an opinion in the moment there´s a kind of pressure that afects our conclusions. I bet the same happens in blind tests.
Or could be only me...
 
Spock said:
there´s a kind of pressure that afects our conclusions.
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Not when one has verified tested confidence in their hearing ability and trusts their ears. Of course, yes, if neither, that might be very stressful.
Once results are shown, some folks laugh it off, take it well, others react poorly. Comes down to individual personalities. YMMV.

Spock said:
I bet the same happens in blind tests.
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How many have you done?

Btw, thanks for explaining to Kingrex why some of my methods are used.

cheers,

AJ
 
I ask about blind test because many people wave it around to invalidate conclusions people draw on say the sound of interconnects. Why it's impossible for a interconnect to change the sound, it only passes a signal bla bla bla. Then comes the old blind test crud. My whole point is, done wrong the test is Invalid. Done right it may make a point or help one to understand better what they do like with less personal bias injected into their decision. Heck AJ, your telling everyone here trust your ears. What % of the consumer market do you think has any idea what their ears are really telling them. 5%? Maybe a little more. If they hear a loud thud thud and ear splitting treble at a store they will probably think its great. But that is a total digression. I'm more interested in fine tuning now. Subtle differences. Something changed but was it better or not. For example, I had a bunch of expensive rhodium and silver power cords in my system. Spent a bunch of money cause the Salman told me they were great. I heard changes but did not know the changes were bad. I don't known if a blind test would have helped me sort it out earlier. It would at least take my personal bias out when initially making my impressions. You know, the old bias of his system sound great with these $800 power cords. They have to be better than my $20 cord. I am personally getting to the point of trusting my ears but I have a couple thousand hours of testing underived my belt and had a couple people teach me what to listen for.

I believe there are times when a test could be usefully, but more important is understanding when people discuss equipment and used a test to draw conclusions, what was the test. Does the test have any validity? Unfortunately no one want to talk about how a real test should be done. I am hearing a lot of seasoned individual who know their ears say trust your ears instead of answering the question.

Lets change the question a little. Say you take a device into your house, How do you A /B the product and keep personal bias out. Consider this thread is being read by the 95% who don't know how to use their ears. What do you do to help get people understanding what their ears are telling them.
 
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