Thread: Tannoy and Shindo - A Match Made In Heaven?

haha!!! if Mike says shindo is incredible with westies, i for one am a believer, guys owned more gear and speakers than i have albums.
maybe you guys should step out of the line and think for yourselves and go hear other gear mixed in with yours not just blindly follow the leader, and buy what he tells you to buy, you may find that is a more pleasurable experience. and not be so damn critical or take it so personal when someone doesnt agree with your opinion. geez im here to learn about all things audio not defend my purchases. you should try it!!!

Originally Posted by Jack

Paul

If you like the look of the McIntosh CD player and it still functions, would you consider just trying different DAC's with it. A while back Mark had a very good W4S DAC 2 for a good deal. There should be a lot of options in your area to try with those. Maybe Adrian has the W4S that you can try.

Thank you Jack. Good idea I was thinking about the Bryston BDA or Allnic DAC

Originally Posted by arthurs

Very nice, PP use of 300B gives you some power with all the good things the 300B brings. Built really well. I'm putting some Melody 845 Monos in tomorrow.

arthurs- the 845C tube works well in the Melodys. it will take the power down a few watts though.

Congrats Art!

Looking forward to your impressions.


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Originally Posted by Jack

Paul

The audio world is full of great sounding DAC's for reasonable prices. Don't think you need to spend five figures in this ever changing market to get "good" digital sound. If you want to buy from Mark, I would look at the BDA-2. If that doesn't do it for you then you have a multitude of good dealers in the GTA to work with. I bought the W4S DAC-2 for half price like Mark had it because that technology is always changing and I am mostly vinyl anyway. Your priorities may be different.

Jack. Funny Mark and I were talked about the same thing today . Don't spend the too much money on digital ( just like HT stuff something new will come every other year ) I had the BDP and BDA2 not too long ago and thinking hard to buy them again on BDA3 with just OPPO as spinner.

Thanks again Jack for your thoughtful words.

Originally Posted by arthurs

Got shipping notice today that Purity Audio Design are sending me their 300B monos and Reference preamp, I've heard this combo before on Acoustic Zen speakers and it was sublime, can't wait to hear it in my room with the Westies...

Congrats Art !!

I owned the BDA-2 and while decent, I picked up a used Berkeley which was dramatically better. I've owned it for 4 years now. They are dirt cheap on Audiogon, if you don't require USB.

Analog $ go way further than digital $ these days imo.

Originally Posted by KeithR

Analog $ go way further than digital $ these days imo.

funny it seems if you have a state of the art digital player these days, wait a week and it wont be state of the art anymore.

Originally Posted by Paul

Jack. Funny Mark and I were talked about the same thing today . Don't spend the too much money on digital ( just like HT stuff something new will come every other year ) I had the BDP and BDA2 not too long ago and thinking hard to buy them again on BDA3 with just OPPO as spinner.

Thanks again Jack for your thoughtful words.

Paul, you really need to try a Lumin in your system, seriously.

Originally Posted by arthurs

Mark, is there a local dealer in DFW?

My dealer in Tyler. David Baskin @ Design Audio Video.

Originally Posted by arthurs

Thanks Mark, which Lumin model are you using? DOH! Just saw it in your signature.

Art, right now I am using an S1 that I have on loan. I'm selling my A1, Mike has an ad on Agon for me. The S1 and A1 are both great, it's very system dependent. But I can tell you one thing about a Lumun streamer, I no longer care about spinning discs or whatever is the next great DAC. I'm done as far as digital goes. I never even think about anything else.

Originally Posted by Petro85

funny it seems if you have a state of the art digital player these days, wait a week and it wont be state of the art anymore.

That goes for everything in this hobby.

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

...it's called vinyl!!

Oh Kev, you know I love my vinyl ! Tonight's an all vinyl evening !!!!!!

Just saying, as far as digital goes, it's a Lumin, cause it doesn't sound digital.

Originally Posted by MDP

Paul, you really need to try a Lumin in your system, seriously.

Its on my list for now I'm enjoying my new Classic 3

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

Paul, I've heard about the cart you have & a great table too. Really enjoyed my time with the Classic 1. Sounds like you are hearing some great sounds coming from your system.

I thought this post made by Mark (MDP) didn't realize it was you Kev LOL

Originally Posted by arthurs

Mark, can you comment on how significant the delta is between the A1 and the S1? I'm looking at all the associated "stuff" with my mac Mini and EMM setup and you have me thinking now....

Art, the two models are so close in sound that I didn't fully appreciate the differences until I pulled the S1 out of my system and put the A1 back in.
The S1 has tighter and more defined bass, and the air around vocals and instruments is a little better, maybe.
If your system could use a little more bass,and maybe a bit more of an analog sound, the A1 might be better.
If you need to tighten things up and add a bit more clarity, the S1 would be my choice.
Either way, you will end of with one of the most enjoyable digital experiences that money can buy.

Nice article Mike,

Thanks for sharing, and Paul........, it strikes me that you've great ears, as someone whom absolutely adores the sound of Shindo Labs, and have said since hearing them at Don Better Audio back in 2010, they're the best sounding tube components I've heard........, yet I can admit, I haven't heard everything out there, but of the brands I've - these have more of what I often refer to as a

" Human Element ", in that it's as if living, breathing human beings are performing right in front of me in such a manner, I can swear I smell Sade's Eau de Parfum as she walks by me to go onstage........., and in my mind, that's as real as it gets.

And what Steve said on the digital thing, holds true.

Enjoy her for many years to come Paul, you've chosen with your heart........., and that's wise I should add.

Originally Posted by Kt77

" Human Element ", in that it's as if living, breathing human beings are performing right in front of me in such a manner, I can swear I smell Sade's Eau de Parfum as she walks by me to go onstage........., and in my mind, that's as real as it gets.
.

OMG....she smiled at me last night LOL

Thanks Oscar

Originally Posted by Paul

OMG....she smiled at me last night LOL

Thanks Oscar

Paul........., trust me, from what I've heard, I believe you.

And, you're more then welcome.

I'm going to try to Tannoy and Airtight soon. I hope it is a magical combination. Westminster, ref pre and 211 amps. I think I am turning into a tube guy.

Originally Posted by Design Audio Video

I'm going to try to Tannoy and Airtight soon. I hope it is a magical combination. Westminster, ref pre and 211 amps. I think I am turning into a tube guy.

Oh...My....you are killing me

Originally Posted by arthurs

Paul, have you heard Air Tight? How would ATM3 and ATC2 compare to a good Shindo setup?

Art. I heard their Int amp with Harbeth SHL5 . I guess its not fair to compare with shindo and westies set up.

Paul - this is an old thread, but I'm hoping you'll still get notice of my post. I put my speaker search on hold for a while, but I'm looking again. Thanks for your input in the thread I started about the O/96 versus Zu's. In February, I got the chance to listen to DC10 Britons with Dave the owner of DC10audio. The same day, a Santa Fe owner (probably known to several members) of a full Shindo rig, including Shindo Petite Latour field coils, graciously let me audition the PLs both with my Shindo Haut Brion and Aurieges. It was very interesting to compare the two speakers since I got to use my own amps. Both were quite different, but both were excellent! The DC10audio speakers are the real deal. The Shindo speakers were very refined, and they were surprisingly familiar to my ears, which were accustomed to my now dead Altec 14's! Both designs use horn loaded tweeters with base reflex boxes. I like certain horn loaded speakers, which leads me to ask you about your Westies.

I'm still considering a pair of DC10s and the O/96's, but I've ruled out Shindo speakers as being out of my price range. However, used Westies are often in my range. You and Mike have described the sound as being a knock-out with Shindo amps. Based on guidance from the Shindo dealer and the distributor, I always ruled out Westminsters due to their 5 ohm impedance dip, until I read Mike's review of your system. Now I'm interested again, but I'm still concerned about how they might match with my Haut Brion. Does the 5 ohm dip ever present sonic deficiencies or challenges to your Shindo amplifier?

I'm a little biased, but another speaker to consider in that price range is the Living Voice OBX-RW. Very tube friendly. I will have a pair on demo soon if you want to come hear them.

Thanks Mike. New Mexico to Sarasota is a hike! ...I have been meaning to visit some friends in Orlando.

I did listen to Living Voice speakers with Border Patrol amps at RMAF 2012 - loved the sound.

Craig, Did you get a chance to compare the GM70's with your HB powering the Petite Latour? If so, what were your impressions?

Originally Posted by Bongo

Paul - this is an old thread, but I'm hoping you'll still get notice of my post. I put my speaker search on hold for a while, but I'm looking again. Thanks for your input in the thread I started about the O/96 versus Zu's. In February, I got the chance to listen to DC10 Britons with Dave the owner of DC10audio. The same day, a Santa Fe owner (probably known to several members) of a full Shindo rig, including Shindo Petite Latour field coils, graciously let me audition the PLs both with my Shindo Haut Brion and Aurieges. It was very interesting to compare the two speakers since I got to use my own amps. Both were quite different, but both were excellent! The DC10audio speakers are the real deal. The Shindo speakers were very refined, and they were surprisingly familiar to my ears, which were accustomed to my now dead Altec 14's! Both designs use horn loaded tweeters with base reflex boxes. I like certain horn loaded speakers, which leads me to ask you about your Westies.

I'm still considering a pair of DC10s and the O/96's, but I've ruled out Shindo speakers as being out of my price range. However, used Westies are often in my range. You and Mike have described the sound as being a knock-out with Shindo amps. Based on guidance from the Shindo dealer and the distributor, I always ruled out Westminsters due to their 5 ohm impedance dip, until I read Mike's review of your system. Now I'm interested again, but I'm still concerned about how they might match with my Haut Brion. Does the 5 ohm dip ever present sonic deficiencies or challenges to your Shindo amplifier?

Originally Posted by dlb2

Paul, you mean you haven't blown that little green amp up yet trying to drive those inefficient speakers with their 15" drivers?
I'm glad you've been able to put together your own system, with your own ideas of gear and have it work so well together.
If the Montille sounds terrific with the Westies I wonder how something like a CCQ would sound?

Sent from my HTC One.

Heaven on Earth !
The CCQs are my best amps ever.

Originally Posted by arthurs

Paul, have you heard Air Tight? How would ATM3 and ATC2 compare to a good Shindo setup?

Like a trip in a Mercedes S500 and one in an airplane !
Shindo's approach to the musical signal is unique. It does not compare with anything else.

Originally Posted by Loop4fun

Craig, Did you get a chance to compare the GM70's with your HB powering the Petite Latour? If so, what were your impressions?

Bill,
Not to railroad this thread, but we did compare them using his Shindo TT. It was really a dream! I was surprised at how wonderful the HB sounded with his equipment - exciting and alive, but also very refined through the Latours. I was even more surprised that I strongly preferred the HB to the GM70's, which came across as somewhat darker, less resolving, and with less punch. Steve said he liked the HB a lot, enough that he opted to spend most of our time listening to it with his Giscours pre. I coudln't necessarily conclude that one amp was better because setup is so important and it almost seemed like something was off.

My takeaway for this thread was that I'm going to limit my budget so that it excludes Shindo or the expensive Auditorium 23 speakers. I am intriged by the Westminster/Shindo proposition, only because Paul and aurthurs seem happy with theirs.

Originally Posted by Bongo

Paul - this is an old thread, but I'm hoping you'll still get notice of my post. I put my speaker search on hold for a while, but I'm looking again. Thanks for your input in the thread I started about the O/96 versus Zu's. In February, I got the chance to listen to DC10 Britons with Dave the owner of DC10audio. The same day, a Santa Fe owner (probably known to several members) of a full Shindo rig, including Shindo Petite Latour field coils, graciously let me audition the PLs both with my Shindo Haut Brion and Aurieges. It was very interesting to compare the two speakers since I got to use my own amps. Both were quite different, but both were excellent! The DC10audio speakers are the real deal. The Shindo speakers were very refined, and they were surprisingly familiar to my ears, which were accustomed to my now dead Altec 14's! Both designs use horn loaded tweeters with base reflex boxes. I like certain horn loaded speakers, which leads me to ask you about your Westies.

I'm still considering a pair of DC10s and the O/96's, but I've ruled out Shindo speakers as being out of my price range. However, used Westies are often in my range. You and Mike have described the sound as being a knock-out with Shindo amps. Based on guidance from the Shindo dealer and the distributor, I always ruled out Westminsters due to their 5 ohm impedance dip, until I read Mike's review of your system. Now I'm interested again, but I'm still concerned about how they might match with my Haut Brion. Does the 5 ohm dip ever present sonic deficiencies or challenges to your Shindo amplifier?

Hi Craig. I loved the Shindo with Westminsters sounds and always will. I paired them with Vosne-Romanee, Dyquem monos, Montille CV391 and CC80. Each unit has their own unique sounds and loved them all. I found Shindo sounds very musical with Tannoys and there are lot of people enjoying them together. However the dealer I have in Canada and North America distributor are NOT helpful when it comes to purchase shindo gear.

They all say my speakers are not appropriate match with Shindo and so far all my emails has been ignored by the dealer and distributor since I do know I won't get any support by them why would I keep them so sold them all and no regret at all.

I don't know what your situation would be like....and hoping not like mine.

Whatever you decide please don't tell them you have speakers they don't recommend otherewise you will be treated like a ......

I listened Haut Brion and Cortese plus Auriegies with Devore O96 as well. They sounds great I found the HB was bit more polite but I'm sure it will mate well with Westies. I found 18 watts of Dyquem was more than enough power/gain to drive my 15" driver so Haut Brion wouldn't have a problem.

Hope this helps.

I bought Paul's CC80 and they are outstanding on my Westies and have plenty of control. The Shindo setup will always be my primary option for my Tannoys. I have a great local tech who has gone over all my pieces and therefore I won't ever need the support of the dealer and distributor network, but agree with Paul on his perspective on that situation.

Originally Posted by audio.bill

Jerome - Are you aware that you still have them listed for sale here?

Ah ah ! Thanks ! I forgot this ad !
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