About to pull the trigger on Tannoy

**Paul** · July 15, 2014, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by CPP

Like the way you think, it's kinda

For you Chris. Just imagine.... same finish too

**CPP** · July 15, 2014, 05:24 PM

Thanks Paul the wifey is having a listen as I write this...., Nice,

But unfortunately our 3 week vacation to Maui next year is taking precedence over a speaker purchase. Happy wife, fun life.

**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 11:26 AM

UPDATE :

Now the Shindo dealer confirming that he will bring the 2 preamps and Power amp this following Friday ( 25th July )

**dlb2** · July 17, 2014, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

UPDATE :

Now the Shindo dealer confirming that he will bring the 2 preamps and Power amp this following Friday ( 25th July )

I was just wondering about this!

**Petro85** · July 17, 2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

UPDATE :

Now the Shindo dealer confirming that he will bring the 2 preamps and Power amp this following Friday ( 25th July )

awesome paul!!!! cant wait to hear your thoughts. do you still have the allnics for side by side tests??
shindo pre and allnic amps in your future is what im rooting for.

**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by dlb2

I was just wondering about this!

Originally Posted by Petro85

awesome paul!!!! cant wait to hear your thoughts. do you still have the allnics for side by side tests??
shindo pre and allnic amps in your future is what im rooting for.

Thanks guys. I think the Allnic's going to back Mark's place very soon. ( I had them longer than he did LOL ) For me It will be Shindo VS Allnic VS Tenor

**sharkmouth** · July 17, 2014, 05:34 PM

I'll wager the Tenor wins.

**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

I'll wager the Tenor wins.

That's what I'm afraid of ....$$$$

**sharkmouth** · July 17, 2014, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

That's what I'm afraid of ....$$$$

Obviously you forgot to ask about the price of Shindo then?

**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

Obviously you forgot to ask about the price of Shindo then?

I did . Almost same amount I can buy the pre amp and Power amps but with the Tenor only power amps. His Pre is another $ 50 K.

**dlb2** · July 17, 2014, 05:45 PM

Paul, if you like the Shindo you can go with that until funds for the Tenor are sufficient. There's plenty of guys around here that would buy the Shindo from you if you decide to sell it.

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**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Paul, if you like the Shindo you can go with that until funds for the Tenor are sufficient. There's plenty of guys around here that would buy the Shindo from you if you decide to sell it.

True. I do like to business with Mark though...If I could.

Doug, If I really like the Tenor how do you like the idea of buy the Tenor and using with the McIntosh pre for a while Or You think rather go with the whole Shindo gears ?

**Mark Jones** · July 17, 2014, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

True. I do like to business with Mark though...If I could.

Doug, If I really like the Tenor how do you like the idea of buy the Tenor and using with the McIntosh pre for a while Or You think rather go with the whole Shindo gears ?

Paul, you will be the the person to answer this question as you will most likely be the only person on the planet to have heard both combos with a pair of Westy GR's.

Go with what your ears say, you have a pair that seems to work very well.

**Paul** · July 17, 2014, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Jones

You will be the the person to answer this question as you will most likely be the only person on the planet to have heard both combos with a pair of Westy GR's

You make me feel very SPECIAL now

**dlb2** · July 17, 2014, 05:56 PM

That's a tough one but I think it might be an easier decision once you're heard the Shindo gear.
I know you've heard some Shindo in the past and thought it was too laid back for you. It might be different in your room. If you like the Tenor better and can afford it right now I say go that route with your Mc pre. Usually for me when I hear a piece of gear that really moves me, all I can think about is owning it. No need to substitute anything else because it just won't do.

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**dlb2** · July 17, 2014, 05:59 PM

I totally agree with you about wanting to do business with Mark. He has gone to great lengths to allow you to experience some great gear in your own room. Dealers like this are few and far between these days. If it's too close to call I say go with Mark.

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**Mark Jones** · July 17, 2014, 06:01 PM

"True. I do like to business with Mark though...If I could.

"

I appreciate that Paul. But, this is not about doing business. This is about you finally purchasing your dream system and you MUST buy what is simply best for A number 1, YOU.

**Davo** · July 18, 2014, 01:27 AM

Hi gentleman, I'm new to these forums and haven't been able to put my iPad down, just loving it. I am so looking forward to knowing what pre power you finally choose, you guys sound like great friends and all with the same passion of listening to great music on fantastic audio equipment.
I also have Tannoy Westminsters my equipment consists of
Linn Klimax DS
Linn Sondek LP 12 fully updated 2014 spec
Esoteric cd Transport
Audio Note Dac 4
Audio Note Pre
Audio Note Conqest mono blocks
Rel Stentor Sub
Audio Note Sogon cables
Love your newest model Royals Paul, you have made the right decision with the Tannoy's I went through the same scenario of looking for he most HiFi sounding speaker to find out that I couldn't listen to them for long periods without loosing interest, now with your Tannoy's you will enjoy listening to music as like its alive and breathing!

**joeinid** · July 18, 2014, 01:42 AM

Welcome to the forum Davo!

Thank you for joining.

**MDP** · July 18, 2014, 08:33 AM

Welcome Davo !

**Paul** · July 18, 2014, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Davo

Hi gentleman, I'm new to these forums and haven't been able to put my iPad down, just loving it. I am so looking forward to knowing what pre power you finally choose, you guys sound like great friends and all with the same passion of listening to great music on fantastic audio equipment.
I also have Tannoy Westminsters my equipment consists of
Linn Klimax DS
Linn Sondek LP 12 fully updated 2014 spec
Esoteric cd Transport
Audio Note Dac 4
Audio Note Pre
Audio Note Conqest mono blocks
Rel Stentor Sub
Audio Note Sogon cables
Love your newest model Royals Paul, you have made the right decision with the Tannoy's I went through the same scenario of looking for he most HiFi sounding speaker to find out that I couldn't listen to them for long periods without loosing interest, now with your Tannoy's you will enjoy listening to music as like its alive and breathing!

Hi Davo,

Wow! It's so good to see another fella with the Westminster Royal. Nice gears you have on there. I would love to hear your speakers with the Audio Note.
Which series do you have ? SE ?

Yes. I do love my speakers and it is my definition speakers. Just looking for fine match gears and I think I will know very soon what would that be

How is the sound with the AN ? I do know they are so wonderful but any cons ?

Also when you get a chance please post some pics of your system. would you ?

P.S: Did you read whole 100 pages ?

**NOLG4EVR** · July 19, 2014, 12:48 AM

Paul, so glad you are finally able to hear the Shindo gear with your Westie's. I'm sure it will be very good.
Regardless of what brand you decide on I would try to stay with the same pre and power amp brand.
When you decide on which sonic signature is your taste the pieces are complimentary to one another. They are made to work together to create the perfect storm.
At the level you are considering playing around with combining different brands can be counter productive to the end experience as each of these master technicians have their own way of presenting sound.

Very different from playing around with Mc or other mass produced units. The league you are entering now needs total synergy to realize the best possible return on investment.

**Paul** · July 19, 2014, 12:56 AM

J.J I agree with you and I understand. It will be tough and I might just keeping my McIntosh if dollars getting too much. I was so happy with Mc & Tannoy until I heard the Tenor. Mark is kind enough to let me hear the Tenor again in my room and I will have the Shindo right after.
I will have a good idea by end of the month. Anyway as we discussed come by next Friday or Saturday if you still want to hear the Shindo & Tannoy together.

**NOLG4EVR** · July 19, 2014, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

J.J I agree with you and I understand. It will be tough and I might just keeping my McIntosh if dollars getting too much. I was so happy with Mc & Tannoy until I heard the Tenor. Mark is kind enough to let me hear the Tenor again in my room and I will have the Shindo right after.
I will have a good idea by end of the month. Anyway as we discussed come by next Friday or Saturday if you still want to hear the Shindo & Tannoy together.

I definitely want to. Have never heard the Tannoy Westie's at all, let alone with Shindo. Can't wait. I will PM you to work out the best time for you. Thanks. BTW, the guys at CDF are great, easy going and knowledgable. You will like them. See you soon.

**Davo** · July 19, 2014, 11:23 PM

Sorry for the delay on my reply, I am not as lucky as Paul with having Westminster Royals, mine are only the TW version from early 90s. They look very similar but are not the elite Royal version! Your second question was how do they sound with Audio Note, the answer is the main reason I am on this forum, I will explain. We have recently shifted and my system is now in a very large room compared to before, the system has lost its magic. Before, the sound was just excellent I would not have needed to spend another dollar to improve it, at the time I had an integrated Audio Note Meishu only 8w per channel it produced a very musical sounding system and vocals to die for! Shifting house to a much larger room which is also our lounge room, happy wife happy life! Scenario. I found that the system now lacks body and the midrange is not as real, it just doesn't have the same sound, at first I thought the Meishu was the problem so I doubled the power and bought a pair of Conquest's which are 18w per channel this still has not given me back the sound I had before, the room is your largest component! I am not sure if more power is going to fix the problem or it's just the room that I have to except and make the most of. As far as Audio Note Amplifiers go, I love what they did for the Tannoy speakers in an average sized room, but in large rooms may not be the answer.
I think a well designed low powered amp like Audio Note Meishu gives you the best sounding midrange but can't give you excellent room filling bass in a large room, and you can't expect it to, it's still a trade off. When I have tried higher power amplifiers you loose that magic midrange.
I am wondering whether to combine dual JL Audio F112 subs to give me some fullness in the bass and still keep that valve midrange happening, my fear there though is trying to combine a transistor bass with valve mid top end, I don't think it will work.

Mike, I haven't got my Linn Sondek back yet, it's getting the new Kandid cartrige fitted, when the system is complete again I will send some photos and yes I have read all 103 posts!

**NOLG4EVR** · July 20, 2014, 12:51 AM

Sub's are not the answer. Search elsewhere.

**Paul** · July 20, 2014, 09:00 AM

Davo. Thanks for reply. I hear you about the room. Yes the room is very important.
I agree with J.J. I don't think the sub is the answer. Any panel/diffusors in your room ? Big thick carpet ?

Luckily as Mike and Mark agree my room works really well with West Royal and Canterbury. It's not big (14X28 ) but gives everything I wanted in sound

Hope you can figure it out very soon. Where do you live Davo ?

**audio.bill** · July 20, 2014, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Where do you live Davo ?

His location is shown as Melbourne Australia.

**Paul** · July 20, 2014, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by audio.bill

His location is shown as Melbourne Australia.

Thanks. Sorry can't see them on tapatalk

**Mike** · July 20, 2014, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Thanks. Sorry can't see them on tapatalk

Paul, click on the username/avatar and their profile should pop up....including location. It does for me.

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**Davo** · July 20, 2014, 06:19 PM

Its o good to be able to communicate with guys that have the same interests. My room has parquetry floors, but yes I do have a very thick wool carpet which goes up to the speakers and back to my seated position.

Thank you for your advise on the subwoofers, I am sure you are right!
I got caught up with the JL Audio subs, they look so well made, but I do know all the problems associated with trying to match Transistor amps with valve. I tried all that in my younger days with using
a Krell amp for bass and an Audio Research for my top end, I had Infinity Kappa speakers at the time what a mistake! I did mention on my list of items I have a subwoofer its a Rel Stentor Sub which I use at the lowest setting below 25hz at a very low volume which fills in that bottom end. I know that the Tannoy's are more than capable of producing bass, but not with 18w in a large room! it seams like I have to start looking for a larger amplifier, but I do not want to loose midrange and top end sound quality, I hate trade offs.
The amplifier that I think will fix all my problems is an Audio Note Jinro which uses 211 valves, but the price is out of my league here in Australia. There is one other amplifier I am curious about, its the Line Magnetic 219iA! but I can no longer
afford purchasing trial and error products in my system, and going to a Chinese brand amplifier worries me! I have been told that they do note use the best transformers and components like Audio Note does, that's why there so much cheaper! not sure if that's true though, I am not looking for a best buys price wise product, I want the right product that will complement my system. My other problem is there is no close dealer for these products here that I can go and listen to them here in Melbourne Australia, so I can only go by reviews and you know how flawed they can be!
The only consolation I have if you can call it that, is knowing that my system once sounded fantastic! to a level that I never wanted to turn it off even after an 8 hour session, I know there is probably only one component that will give that sound back to me, but I have to make sure its the right one.
Any advise would be appreciated, cant wait to here what Paul's system sounds like.

**Paul** · July 20, 2014, 07:57 PM

Davo. I don't know how far you live with Kev aka Sharkmouth. He lives in Australia as well and he knows lot gears and has much experience maybe he can help you out on that department. I heard the Canary SS is good match with Tannoy and YES the Tenor amp!!!! if you can swing it i bet you don't need a demo or test coz it's So gooood

**Davo** · July 20, 2014, 08:27 PM

Where in Australia do you live Kev, I live in Melbourne it would be great to catch up and hear each others systems, how do we give our contact details out privately.
This is the very first time I have been on a forum.

**Paul** · July 20, 2014, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Davo

Where in Australia do you live Kev, I live in Melbourne it would be great to catch up and hear each others systems, how do we give our contact details out privately.
This is the very first time I have been on a forum.

I'm sure Kev will chime in. However once you made 10 posts you will be able to post a pic and private message as well.you are almost there make few more posts

Paul

**Davo** · July 20, 2014, 09:19 PM

Thanks Paul, cant wait to hear what you think of the Shindo amps. An Audio Note technician I know, who used to work for an Audio Note dealer in Melbourne which no longer exists, thinks just as highly of Shindo as he does Audio Note.

He is Chinese and has learnt his trade with Audio Note, he said transformers and components are so important to get right in single ended class A amplifiers.

Davo.

**Davo** · July 21, 2014, 03:31 AM

Kev, thanks for the info I need to get to 10 posts so I can contact you on the private section and let you know where I live in Melbourne. Take care

**sharkmouth** · July 21, 2014, 05:25 PM

No probs Davo.

**dlb2** · July 23, 2014, 11:45 PM

Two more days Paul.

**Paul** · July 23, 2014, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Two more days Paul.

I hope he comes on Friday I even take a day off at work LOL.

For now I'm really enjoying the Tenor in my room and the Shindo better be good as Tenor or better to take the spot.

I don't think they can't beat the Tenor in terms of bass impact and sound stage. Well we'll see.

**dlb2** · July 23, 2014, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

I hope he comes on Friday I even take a day off at work LOL.

For now I'm really enjoying the Tenor in my room and the Shindo better be good as Tenor or better to take the spot.

I don't think they can't beat the Tenor in terms of bass impact and sound stage. Well we'll see.

Bass is overrated!

I'm actually pulling for the Allnic A5000/L3000 combo.

**Paul** · July 24, 2014, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Bass is overrated!

I'm actually pulling for the Allnic A5000/L3000 combo.

Maybe you are right. The Allnic's still in my consideration as well however every time I hear the Tenor nothing else is matter LOL yes they are that good. Simply best I ever heard. ( downside is since it has so much gain and my speakers at 99 DB i hear some noise when no music is playing )

**dlb2** · July 24, 2014, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Maybe you are right. The Allnic's still in my consideration as well however every time I hear the Tenor nothing else is matter LOL yes they are that good. Simply best I ever heard. ( downside is since it has so much gain and my speakers at 99 DB i hear some noise when no music is playing )

Noise can be a problem with high sensitivity speakers. If you go the Tenor route, are you able to place it in between the speakers? That amp is a monster!

**Paul** · July 24, 2014, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Noise can be a problem with high sensitivity speakers. If you go the Tenor route, are you able to place it in between the speakers? That amp is a monster!

How is the look ? Sorry phone pics

**dlb2** · July 24, 2014, 12:20 AM

Looks great! Like it was meant to be there.

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**Paul** · July 24, 2014, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Looks great! Like it was meant to be there.

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You are just saying it

**joeinid** · July 24, 2014, 01:07 AM

Paul,

I second what Doug said. Looks beautiful, like they were meant to be together.

**sharkmouth** · July 24, 2014, 05:56 AM

Holy shitzinhousin Paul, you gotta buy it on looks alone. It makes the system look real!!!!!

**dlb2** · July 24, 2014, 10:33 AM

Paul, once you get this amp mess taken care of you can get around to hanging those pictures.

**Petro85** · July 24, 2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by dlb2

Paul, once you get this amp mess taken care of you can get around to hanging those pictures.

doug should be the picture moderator.lmao!!! i had to straighten the ones on my front wall out for him also.

so paul after all that...... tenor?? im sure its an awesome amp but i gotta say im a little dissapointed that with those speakers your not running 300b's. you should at least pick up a used pair of 8w 300b's just for fun.

good luck with the shindo gear today, im betting its even warmer on classical than the allnics were. but i bet they are just an awesome combo overall with the westies.

**Mike** · July 24, 2014, 11:07 AM

Allnic 5000 or 6000 (non-DHT version) might just be the ticket. I tend to agree with Steve. I'm not sure I could pass over a SET design option with such wonderfully efficient speaker. If you want slam, a 845/211 SET design will give you the magic mids of a 300b and greater increase in dynamics.

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