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January 26, 2021, 01:40 PM #1
Taiko Music Server
The great guys at Taiko installed our beta version of the Taiko Music Server. We can switch back and forth between it and Roon.
We spoke for two hours about why Roon is affected sonically: noisy traffic caused by its P2P architecture, among other things.
Looking forward to really doing a deep comparison between the Taiko software and Roon.
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January 26, 2021, 04:44 PM #2
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Hi Mike,
Please let us know your initial thoughts.
Thanks,
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January 26, 2021, 04:47 PM #3
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looking forward to hearing the results !!
finally... an A/B test of roon versus another playback software on the SAME piece of equipment.
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January 26, 2021, 05:16 PM #4
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Cool Mike. Digital is sure moving quickly. I think I need to catch up.
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January 26, 2021, 05:39 PM #5
Taiko Music Server
The nice feature of the Taiko software is that with the push of a button from the app on your iPad, you can switch back and forth between Roon and the Taiko software. Switching to Roon, basically turns off “ExtremeDirect Player” and re-enables Roon Core. Switching back to ExtremeDirect Player is just as easy and disables Roon.
Now, in terms of functionality, this is a beta version and is still fairly rudimentary and simple in terms of sourcing your music. Functional, operational, stable, but basic (not “pretty” like Roon).
Right now, for the purposes of the test I stuck with QoBuz. Tidal integration had begun, but stopped when Tidal added new security requirements. In about two weeks, it should once again have Tidal.
We haven’t moved much content directly onto the Taiko Extreme from our NAS, but we are going to begin that process tonight.
I have been going back and forth all afternoon comparing the exact same tracks on QoBuz, switching back and forth each song between Roon and the Taiko software.
I was expecting similar things I’ve found switching between Roon and Aurender. Let’s just say, I was not disappointed.
With the Taiko software, there is such a greater sense of intimacy and quietness. Comparing piano recordings was revolutionary, literally like comparing different DAC’s or maybe even more profound. Vocals with the Taiko software have such a haunting realism, you can’t help but close your eyes and melt away into the moment. This is not hyperbole, this is the real deal. It was plain as day the level of noise and crap going on with Roon compared with the Taiko software. You could hear it plain as day. In a word, the Taiko software delivers greater “presence” in spades.
I’m sure the functionality of the Taiko software will come over time, but for now, with the focus solely on “sound first”, removing noisy roon from the Taiko had such a dramatic audible impact.
Their software allows their hardware to reach its full potential, sonically speaking.
A home run sonically, with promises of great things to come functionally.
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January 26, 2021, 06:18 PM #6
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I was just following up on TAS info and looks like it’s getting closer. Not knowing much about it, looks like there will be a version for extreme / existing customers (native) and one for everyone else?
I doubt it will be a contest and will smoke Roon given the current climate. Will be an interesting developmentMain:
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January 26, 2021, 06:21 PM #7
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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January 26, 2021, 06:56 PM #8
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"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
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January 26, 2021, 08:00 PM #9
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Re: Taiko Music Server
If they were to offer it for other platforms, compatibility, testing, maintenance costs and associated staffing requirements would increase dramatically. I doubt this would be in their near term interests.
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January 26, 2021, 08:30 PM #10
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Oh good to know, I was under the impression there was a "version" for custom / other builds. Guess not. Even if it were available outside of the Taiko products, I would guess it would be $$ for most.
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January 27, 2021, 01:18 AM #11
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Just out of curiosity, if it is again a SW stack with dedicated proprietary hardware, how is it different from Aurender?
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January 27, 2021, 08:13 AM #12
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cool to see Mike here with the Beta version of TAS.
i've had the Alpha version of the TAS on my Extreme for almost 2 months, versions 1 and 2. but don't yet have the Beta version. to begin with the interface was quite klunky, but it's been getting better over time. there is a clear step up in performance in the sense of the music being less processed, more vivid and alive sounding. i think we are seeing a true maturation of digital music reproduction.
i suppose i should jump into the beta version. been pretty focused on vinyl changes lately.
i'm not in a position to comment on the Aurender question.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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January 27, 2021, 08:42 AM #13
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Hi Kuoppis,
Aurenda is a great company with a very nice product line delivering a top class user experience
At Taiko, the team is driver to best possible musical experience even at the cost of sacrificing some functionality such as volume control
At Taiko, the hardware approach is brute force computing with the finest audiophile components from Duelund, Mundorf, Lundahl and others.
Vibration control measures are in a similar vein to Audionote UK with lots of Panzerholz pieces in critical locations
The OS ( Windows Enterprise LTSC for IOT appliances) is the most expensive one amongst the audiophile OS’s you can licence, but in Taiko’s extensive testing with custom build, we find it to be the best for our application
Taiko software leverages off this hardware and OS landscape. There are more moving parts, and this allows a degree of tuning and optimization that’s not possible on simpler and lower power platforms
The software is more than just a stack, but code which is organizing the various storage media into a musical combination
I hope this helps to throw some light on how Extreme running TAS can deliver the musical presentation that Mike, Alpha and Beta testers describe
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January 27, 2021, 10:18 AM #14
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January 27, 2021, 10:44 AM #15
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January 27, 2021, 11:26 AM #16Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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January 27, 2021, 11:45 AM #17
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January 27, 2021, 01:19 PM #18
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my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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January 27, 2021, 01:58 PM #19
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My comment was under my impression that TAS would be available to other builds (my bad) and that the current climate is that roon's sound quality and direction is undesirable => thus I was speculating that once general public got a hold of it, things would go bonkers so to speak. I don't have a horse in the race as I use roon/HQP (lifetime). However, the tech on this TAS design as well Euphony's playback cache is very interesting nonetheless.
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