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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    my Taiko Extreme USB card had about 60 hours on it as of this morning and it's getting better.

    what's interesting is as i multi-tasked this morning the music drew me into it at a different level than prior. i just could not ignore it. an anecdotal moment but telling as to where this is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I will say this so far: I’m beyond impressed. I wasn’t expecting THIS kind of impact.
    That is what everyone I have talked to is telling me. Sounds like a trully amazing product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    That is what everyone I have talked to is telling me. Sounds like a trully amazing product.
    I can’t wait to play in that sandbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    my Taiko Extreme USB card had about 60 hours on it as of this morning and it's getting better.

    what's interesting is as i multi-tasked this morning the music drew me into it at a different level than prior. i just could not ignore it. an anecdotal moment but telling as to where this is going.
    That’s exactly what I’m feeling/hearing Mike and in my case without yet the advantage of the Taiko USB card.

    The music just draws you in emotionally with the immediacy of the presentation as you well put it: “at a different level than prior”.

    - The effect of lowering the noise floor at the source to unleash the inner potential of the rest of the electronics. Truly a transformative product.


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    Just listen to instrument decay. It goes on forever.


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    i know magicos are sometimes considered dynamically shy...but the way the magicos have opened up with the taiko is more so than when i changed amps. it all adds up but it the taiko truly took my system from hifi to holy sh*t lol

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    Any news when they are gonna sell the card separately ? (for us mortals)

    I may end up borrowing the card from friend's Taiko Extreme.
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    I am in full agreement with the comments above, both on the Taiko Extreme uplift and then an additional level up with the USB card.
    In my system (MSB Select II with ProISL, Shunyata Omega USB, and Everest loom with Omega cables) I have a hard time clearly differentiating between the Taiko player and Roon. It could be down to the fact that I do not have full range speakers (SF Electa Amator III). Amplification is Naim Statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Any news when they are gonna sell the card separately ? (for us mortals)

    I may end up borrowing the card from friend's Taiko Extreme.
    It is not clear they are going to sell the card separately. As of now they haven't stated that they will. They seem very busy trying to keep up with the current demand for Extremes as well as servicing current customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    It is not clear they are going to sell the card separately. As of now they haven't stated that they will. They seem very busy trying to keep up with the current demand for Extremes as well as servicing current customers.
    how many takio extremes are in the wild? assuming the USB PCIe card manufacture is outsourced -- it would seem selling the card separately to be a relatively easy business opportunity to undertake (just order more) once the small universe of existing customers have been quickly upgraded ... not to mention a means for takio to address the horrible server inequality situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    how many takio extremes are in the wild? assuming the USB PCIe card manufacture is outsourced -- it would seem selling the card separately to be a relatively easy business opportunity to undertake (just order more) once the small universe of existing customers have been quickly upgraded ... not to mention a means for takio to address the horrible server inequality situation.

    I don't know how many Extremes are currently other there.

    My guess is that the USB card is specifically voiced for the Extreme. I don't know how well it would just plug and play in other servers. I do know that the powering of it isn't standard. Most USB cards can be powered internally or with a 5V power rail. That is not the case with this card.

    Again, anything I am saying is pure conjecture.
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    Mike, what power cord are you using your TAIKO Extreme with?
    Having an Shunyata Everest, I was wondering what would be the fitting power cord... a V14 digital as Caelin recommend for pure servers or more like a Sigma NR v2?

    Maybe you tried already a couple...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    I don't know how many Extremes are currently other there.

    My guess is that the USB card is specifically voiced for the Extreme. I don't know how well it would just plug and play in other servers. I do know that the powering of it isn't standard. Most USB cards can be powered internally or with a 5V power rail. That is not the case with this card.

    Again, anything I am saying is pure conjecture.
    This is just a biz decision. They ousource the cards and can order 50, 500 or 5000 as easily.

    If the quality of the card should shine in any server build. Not saying that it will be nowhere near as good as the Taiko - but you should get a noticable uplift in the sound quality none the less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicLover View Post
    Mike, what power cord are you using your TAIKO Extreme with?
    Having an Shunyata Everest, I was wondering what would be the fitting power cord... a V14 digital as Caelin recommend for pure servers or more like a Sigma NR v2?

    Maybe you tried already a couple...

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    Okay, so sounds the V14 digital is in any case a good starting point.

    Regarding optional AES/EBU: Can be skipped when using a Omega USB I guess... and put the funds eg in a Sigma NR v2.

    @N30: Very nice! ... is there already an MRSP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    This is just a biz decision. They ousource the cards and can order 50, 500 or 5000 as easily.

    If the quality of the card should shine in any server build. Not saying that it will be nowhere near as good as the Taiko - but you should get a noticable uplift in the sound quality none the less.
    Hi Elberoth,

    I am stepping way above my level of expertise here, but it appears, as can be seen in the pic below, that the Taiko USB card has an additional umbilical connection that appears to be specific to the SGM Extreme, which may limit its plug-n-play adaptability to other servers.

    I may also be mistaken, but it is my understanding that the Taiko USB may not even be compatible with all previous SGM server versions.


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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    Mike, I just watched the video with you and Jay discussing the Taiko Extreme on YouTube.

    Good video, mate! Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmarin View Post
    Hi Elberoth,

    I am stepping way above my level of expertise here, but it appears, as can be seen in the pic below, that the Taiko USB card has an additional umbilical connection that appears to be specific to the SGM Extreme, which may limit its plug-n-play adaptability to other servers.

    I may also be mistaken, but it is my understanding that the Taiko USB may not even be compatible with all previous SGM server versions.


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    That's the power supply for the USB card. I think I read its +12v and +5v

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    I was hoping Taiko would sell it to non-extreme owners but they didn't want to. Its understandable that they want to push for more extreme sales with the new card.

    Here are two more based on the same controller chip and same reference design. I have heard none, so don't know how it sounds but I am planing to get one and compare with JCAT XE USB that I currently use.





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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by cmarin View Post
    Hi Elberoth,

    I am stepping way above my level of expertise here, but it appears, as can be seen in the pic below, that the Taiko USB card has an additional umbilical connection that appears to be specific to the SGM Extreme, which may limit its plug-n-play adaptability to other servers.

    I may also be mistaken, but it is my understanding that the Taiko USB may not even be compatible with all previous SGM server versions.
    Carlos,

    Yes, I have already discovered that. It would require some DIY job to fabricate a cable. Not sure about the connector on the card itself - it looks like a regular 4-pin CPU power connector.



    Can anyone confirm that ? I have a spare 4-pin CPU power line in my server, fed from linear PSU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Carlos,

    Yes, I have already discovered that. It would require some DIY job to fabricate a cable. Not sure about the connector on the card itself - it looks like a regular 4-pin CPU power connector.



    Can anyone confirm that ? I have a spare 4-pin CPU power line in my server, fed from linear PSU.
    It may physically be a 4-pin CPU connector but a standard CPU connector powers with 2 12V+ and 2 12V-. I believe the Taiko connector is 12V and 5V.
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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    It may physically be a 4-pin CPU connector but a standard CPU connector powers with 2 12V+ and 2 12V-.
    CPU has always been 2x+12v and 2x0v. No negative voltage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    CPU has always been 2x+12v and 2x0v. No negative voltage.
    Yea. I typed too quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Since it’s in the AudioQuest room, we use an AQ Dragon Source. We use the V14 Digital on the Aurender in the front room (the Shunyata room). Oh, and I ordered my Aurender N30 yesterday for that room. Silver.
    Okay, Mr. Mike. You can't do this to us. How does the Taiko Extreme compare to the Aurender N30(SA?)?

    Our next step is upgrading the music streamer/DAC. We currently have a Linn Selekt with Klimax DAC, a great "all-in-one" DSM that combines the streamer and DAC, but has no storage. Nothing beats it, IMHO, for the price.

    We just had major medical bills, so it will be a while before we can spend money more wisely on audio equipment, but we are looking at:

    1) Linn Klimax with Organik DAC (top-tier "all-in-one" DAC/Streamer): approx. $40K.
    2) Taiko Extreme
    3) MSB Premiere OR Reference DAC
    4) Playback Designs Dream DAC
    5) ... something from Esoteric DAC
    6) Berkeley Audio Designs DAC
    7) ... maybe dCs Rossino with clock DAC

    So the question is: may we assume that it is always best sonically to go with seperate DAC + Streamer? If so, then of the DAC of choice (is it your Taiko or MSB?), what STREAMER do you prefer? In other words, what is your "dream combo" of DAC and Streamer?

    Any feedback appreciated (hope this did not step on any toes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AThrillOfHope View Post
    Okay, Mr. Mike. You can't do this to us. How does the Taiko Extreme compare to the Aurender N30(SA?)?

    Our next step is upgrading the music streamer/DAC. We currently have a Linn Selekt with Klimax DAC, a great "all-in-one" DSM that combines the streamer and DAC, but has no storage. Nothing beats it, IMHO, for the price.

    We just had major medical bills, so it will be a while before we can spend money more wisely on audio equipment, but we are looking at:

    1) Linn Klimax with Organik DAC (top-tier "all-in-one" DAC/Streamer): approx. $40K.
    2) Taiko Extreme
    3) MSB Premiere OR Reference DAC
    4) Playback Designs Dream DAC
    5) ... something from Esoteric DAC
    6) Berkeley Audio Designs DAC
    7) ... maybe dCs Rossino with clock DAC

    So the question is: may we assume that it is always best sonically to go with seperate DAC + Streamer? If so, then of the DAC of choice (is it your Taiko or MSB?), what STREAMER do you prefer? In other words, what is your "dream combo" of DAC and Streamer?

    Any feedback appreciated (hope this did not step on any toes).
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    Okay, Sir. Will do. Thank you.

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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    Did Taiko switch to their own OS in place of running a version of Windows 10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    Did Taiko switch to their own OS in place of running a version of Windows 10?
    No, the run a modified version of Windows 10 LTSC. The also utilize Process Lasso which allows one to assign specific tasks to specific processers, as well as other OS tweaks.
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    What advantage does running Windows as the OS versus a Linux OS?

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    No, the run a modified version of Windows 10 LTSC. The also utilize Process Lasso which allows one to assign specific tasks to specific processers, as well as other OS tweaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    What advantage does running Windows as the OS versus a Linux OS?
    You would have to ask them that. I don't know if it has to do with being able to run Process Lasso (which I don't believe runs in Linux), or something else.
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    Thank you for the information. I know Mike mentioned Taiko was working on developing their own OS too.

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    You would have to ask them that. I don't know if it has to do with being able to run Process Lasso (which I don't believe runs in Linux), or something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    Thank you for the information. I know Mike mentioned Taiko was working on developing their own OS too.
    No, they are building their own music software, called XDMS. They are not developing their own OS unless Mike has insider information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    No, they are building their own music software, called XDMS. They are not developing their own OS unless Mike has insider information!
    Nope. No idea what it will run on.


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    This will just be the interface with Windows still as the underlying OS?

    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    No, they are building their own music software, called XDMS. They are not developing their own OS unless Mike has insider information!
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    Sorry I must have misunderstood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Nope. No idea what it will run on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    This will just be the interface with Windows still as the underlying OS?
    It is a lot more than the interface. It is the entire program from A to Z.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AThrillOfHope View Post
    Okay, Mr. Mike. You can't do this to us. How does the Taiko Extreme compare to the Aurender N30(SA?)?

    Our next step is upgrading the music streamer/DAC. We currently have a Linn Selekt with Klimax DAC, a great "all-in-one" DSM that combines the streamer and DAC, but has no storage. Nothing beats it, IMHO, for the price.

    We just had major medical bills, so it will be a while before we can spend money more wisely on audio equipment, but we are looking at:

    1) Linn Klimax with Organik DAC (top-tier "all-in-one" DAC/Streamer): approx. $40K.
    2) Taiko Extreme
    3) MSB Premiere OR Reference DAC
    4) Playback Designs Dream DAC
    5) ... something from Esoteric DAC
    6) Berkeley Audio Designs DAC
    7) ... maybe dCs Rossino with clock DAC

    So the question is: may we assume that it is always best sonically to go with seperate DAC + Streamer? If so, then of the DAC of choice (is it your Taiko or MSB?), what STREAMER do you prefer? In other words, what is your "dream combo" of DAC and Streamer?

    Any feedback appreciated (hope this did not step on any toes).
    There's almost never only a single approach or methodology that is best. This is a foundational principle of Geinrich Altschuler's TRIZ (Teoriya Resheniya Izobretatelskikh Zadatch) or Theory of Inventive Problem Solving. TRIZ - Wikipedia

    So, I don't think one can generalize that an "all-in-one" solution e.g. the Linn Klimax DSM/3 is better than a "component-based" solution. This is because there is almost always more than one way to mediate a transfer function, and...everything is a transfer function.

    Here's some additional VOC (Voice of the Customer) for you: I had the Linn Klimax DSM/3 here for 4 months while I reviewed it for TAS. While it is a truly excellent DAC/streamer and has superb sound quality, in my system, an Aurender N20 and a Lampizator Baltic 3 DAC sounds just as good. By that I mean as resolving, engaging, and immersive with fully comparable imaging and a soundstage that's actually wider than the Linn. The upside the Linn has is its Space Optimization software, which corrects for room response variance due to dimensional ratios, windows, window glazing and doors, etc. It's a very cool feature, but, IMHO, a "nice to have" rather than a "must-have".

    I know lots of folks are waxing ecstatic about the Taiko Extreme, but IMHO, Aurender has f***in' got it goin' on. Plus their overall integration, ease of set-up, and ease of use make them very compelling value propositions.

    Just my 2¢ from my direct experience with both for several months. Cheers.

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    Looks like just two pins and voltage should be 5 volts like most pci x usb cards are
    But taiko does make things as they see best for there severs a good idea
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    jRiver compatible? I read in another forum last year that Taiko's stripped down version of Windows 10 has removed certain software pieces, so that it could not accommodate jRiver. Anyone know if that has changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty View Post
    jRiver compatible? I read in another forum last year that Taiko's stripped down version of Windows 10 has removed certain software pieces, so that it could not accommodate jRiver. Anyone know if that has changed?
    I don’t think that has changed. I haven’t heard that name (JRiver) in a long time. The last time I used it, I think they were on version 18 or 19 and it was total bloat ware. Hopefully they’ve freshened it up and improved it. Reminded me of 90’s windows apps at the time.


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    jRiver is now up to version 28. I have used if for years, trouble-free, and the audio quality and functionality is excellent, imho. I think that it is a very popular server. Old habits are hard to break, and would hate to lose the familiarity and ease of use of jRiver.
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    I stilll use JRiver (version 25) on a couple of the back-up systems (use a Lumin U1 in the main system with the Lumin software). I like the JRiver format but it does require knowing how to set it up to get the best sound and you still have to deal with Windows issues. With JRiver you need to set-up the device properly along with the output format and most importantly load the decoded file into memory. For the main PC, I have Vanatoo Transparent One Encore power speakers and it's (JRIver is) perfect for it's simplicy. I do the same with a cheaper pair of powered speakers on a back-up computer. I have an old small fanless PC in one other back-up system and it's not out-of-the question somewhere down the road, that could change. That's my fun back-up system for now where I have a modded Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram Generator with an Oppo 103D (which reads files from my NAS) as a transport. It doesn't see tons of use and that's why I haven't been in a rush to make changes.
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    Re: Taiko Extreme

    Interesting that nearly all individuals that did the head-to-head shootout between the Taiko Extreme and the Aurender N30SA at Suncoast Audio preferred the sound of the N30SA. However, there is one big item that favors the Taiko Extreme, it can use any software. With the recent improvement in sound quality of Roon 1.8, the Taiko Extreme/Roon combination remains a very attractive option, as the functionality of the Roon interface is second to none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Interesting that nearly all individuals that did the head-to-head shootout between the Taiko Extreme and the Aurender N30SA at Suncoast Audio preferred the sound of the N30SA. However, there is one big item that favors the Taiko Extreme, it can use any software. With the recent improvement in sound quality of Roon 1.8, the Taiko Extreme/Roon combination remains a very attractive option, as the functionality of the Roon interface is second to none.

    Ken
    Actually, once I got familiar with the Aurender interface, I found it to be more "Roon-like" than it initially appears. There's functionality and features there that is not immediately obvious at first glance.

    In software parlance, it's a little bit more "modal" than Roon in the sense you have one more step than Roon to play a track or album in that the music needs to be "loaded" in the to playback Queue to be played, but the playback Queue also has an advantage that you can add multiple albums or tracks that can be played one after the other in sequence.

    I found that, as I generally listen to an album in it's entirety, if you just select "Replace Queue", it loads that album into the Queue and immediately starts playing it.

    There are a couple of features that are nice in the Aurender Conductor software that I only discovered recently and that may not be obvious to users at first glance that make the experience more "Roon-like".

    The first is if you simply touch on the icon for the album art at the upper left of the playback section here...


    it brings up the album cover art with the track info and controls overlaid onto it.

    And...if you touch at the lower right of the album, it brings up an icon with three lines on it that overlays all the tracks for the album or...all the albums in the Queue. Then you can control the playback of tracks in the Queue directly from that overlay on the album art. It's pretty darn cool.



    So, all that being said, after using the Aurender Conductor software for 4-5 months and being a long-time Roon fan and user, I've come the conclusion that the only practically significant* difference between Roon and the Aurender Conductor software is the Radio mode you can invoke on Roon.

    *-practically significant is all that matters...in the REAL world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Interesting that nearly all individuals that did the head-to-head shootout between the Taiko Extreme and the Aurender N30SA at Suncoast Audio preferred the sound of the N30SA.

    Ken
    Is that true? Maybe you should put together a poll since some people may not want to express their preference publicly.

    I have seen a couple people express that view but not many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dminches View Post
    Is that true? Maybe you should put together a poll since some people may not want to express their preference publicly.

    I have seen a couple people express that view but not many.
    Yes, it’s true. Trust me. I wouldn’t have posted it if it wasn’t. Anyone can vote on those polls, even those that never did the head-to-head shootout. I don’t own either, so I have no investment in the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Yes, it’s true. Trust me. I wouldn’t have posted it if it wasn’t. Anyone can vote on those polls, even those that never did the head-to-head shootout.

    Ken
    I would hope people would be honest in voting.

    So, how many people, approximately, have stated their preference of the Aurender over the Taiko? Just curious.

    I don’t have a horse in the game since I am already committed to the Extreme.
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    I would say Roon 1.8’s sonic improvements could make it interesting. Can’t wait for Taiko’s new software.

    I really like how we are hearing how the network transport/software side of things has really become so important.

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    I am going to go out on a limb and say the differences are probably very subjective to each persons preferences. At the level of the N30SA and Taiko there is no good/bad or best/worst just different.

    Mike beat me to it.
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