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    TAD and Zesto preamp

    I've read some nice reports on the Zesto preamp with TAD speakers. I'm currently happy with what I'm hearing but I'm curious if the Zesto in my setup would enhance my listening experience and be to my liken. I'm currently running MSB S200 amplifier, MSB Diamond dac with their transport and the TAD R1. I'm using the dac's preamp as pre. Currently it's a fully balanced system. My amps input impedance is listed below. So I think it's a match, what do you think? I'm not sure what their true floating balance means compared to a fully balanced system. I think I need to fine one to demo in my system?

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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    John,

    Output impedance wise, I think you will be fine. I love what tubes do for my TADs. I think you might like it too.
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Real nice tubey sounding gear like Zesto (and I'm sure CJ) was nice on the TAD's. Added some meat to the bones and softened the higher notes a bit. I thought the Zesto gear sounded better on the TAD's then the actual TAD gear. And the Zesto owners are the salt of the earth kind of people.
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    John, I'd be real curious to hear your impressions if you do. I still like the sound of SS over tubes in general, but Joe's recent posts and the feedback from RMAF really has me thinking.

    Do you guys think starting with just a tube Pre would be a decent place to start?


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    Can't take advise from me cause I think tube everything. Lmao!!
    But I've heard some real nice setups that had big ss amps and tube preamps and phonostages
    And created a great mix almost everytime. Bob runs that absolare pre with the goldmund and it sounds awesome!!
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    John, I'd be real curious to hear your impressions if you do. I still like the sound of SS over tubes in general, but Joe's recent posts and the feedback from RMAF really has me thinking.

    Do you guys think starting with just a tube Pre would be a decent place to start?
    Allen,

    I have to tell you the past few days I've been running the EAR 868 tube pre into my Dartzeel amp and let me tell you it sounds frigging awesome! I am so torn about getting rid of these things (the TADs ).

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    Can't take advise from me cause I think tube everything. Lmao!!
    But I've heard some real nice setups that had big ss amps and tube preamps and phonostages
    And created a great mix almost everytime. Bob runs that absolare pre with the goldmund and it sounds awesome!!
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    You are a smart man and know exactly what sounds great. And, YES! Bob's setup is stunning!!!!!
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    John, I'd be real curious to hear your impressions if you do. I still like the sound of SS over tubes in general, but Joe's recent posts and the feedback from RMAF really has me thinking.

    Do you guys think starting with just a tube Pre would be a decent place to start?
    Allen I personally would stay with a SS amp and tip toe into a tube pre. Seems Zesto has done a few shows with SS amps, their preamp and TAD speakers. As usually the problem is finding a dealer to do in house audition.

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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Allen,

    I have to tell you the past few days I've been running the EAR 868 tube pre into my Dartzeel amp and let me tell you it sounds frigging awesome! I am so torn about getting rid of these things (the TADs ).
    ...
    Joe, totally trust your ears, that's why I'm even considering tubes!

    I say keep the TADs until you hear something that totally blows it away. I think at these levels, you aren't necessarily trading up, just trading for different.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnthomas View Post
    Allen I personally would stay with a SS amp and tip toe into a tube pre. Seems Zesto has done a few shows with SS amps, their preamp and TAD speakers. As usually the problem is finding a dealer to do in house audition.

    John
    Agreed. There's not a lot of dealers that carry this stuff any more. I miss Soundex in PA. They had EVERYTHING!

    Keep us posted, John. Very interested in your journey...


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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Speaking of Journeys what's the ETA on your TAD journey?
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Good question, not sure. I should ping Sanjay. But I still need to sell some gear to fund the speakers, so I'm in no rush.


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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Allen, what amp are you running these days? Is it the Rowland or do I remember you saying something about having Krells now?


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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    John, I agree with Joe. I think adding tubes in the chain will be a great sounding combination with the TAD's !!
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Allen, what amp are you running these days? Is it the Rowland or do I remember you saying something about having Krells now?


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    Haha, good memory, Doug. I still have the Rowland. I did flirt with a Krell recently, but I need to sell it to help fund the speakers. It's a great amp, wish I could keep it, but I can't have both.


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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    Haha, good memory, Doug. I still have the Rowland. I did flirt with a Krell recently, but I need to sell it to help fund the speakers. It's a great amp, wish I could keep it, but I can't have both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Add the Job and thank me later.
    Ok, Joe, I trust your ears. I'm in. But doh, all sold out! Norman, is there another pre-order list for the 2nd batch?


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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    If you can not get your hands on one, I may have another one available from the first batch for you to try
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Allen, it might worthwhile to listen to a Rowland Corus. I'm sure you've already thought of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Allen, it might worthwhile to listen to a Rowland Corus. I'm sure you've already thought of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Allen, it might worthwhile to listen to a Rowland Corus. I'm sure you've already thought of that.


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    The Rowland gear was used in a lot of rooms. Super black backgrounds and musical.
    No Rowland dealers near me to hear their new stuff. Did you hear the Aeris DAC, Mike?


    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    If you can not get your hands on one, I may have another one available from the first batch for you to try
    Thanks, Joe! May take you up on it. But if I'm using on the TADs even just for fun, I may wait for the DC protected one!


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    TAD and Zesto preamp

    I demoed zesto pre and impedance wise it worked fine driving my Tad Cr-1. Sonically it was not as impressive as Vac or aesthetix or even first sound. I agree the zesto people r lovely and I think their phono stage has garnered many critical reviews. Personally after I got after the unique look further inspection reveal a mediocre construction that to my eye and use lacked a true stable thick walked construction. Plus the remote is really cheap looking. For 7500 I would rather have EAR Joe raves about. I also demoed Rowland Aeris(very impressive) and both 525 and 625. I would stick with any of their non class D amps. Aeris does not have USB. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    Thanks, Joe! May take you up on it. But if I'm using on the TADs even just for fun, I may wait for the DC protected one!
    If you remember, I was using the first generation amp on my TADs, Evos and Studio2. No problem with a good preamp. Maybe I'll bring over the new one for you to hear if your hesitant.
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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    I demoed zesto pre and impedance wise it worked fine driving my Tad Cr-1. Sonically it was not as impressive as Vac or aesthetix or even first sound. I agree the zesto people r lovely and I think their phono stage has garnered many critical reviews. Personally after I got after the unique look further inspection reveal a mediocre construction that to my eye and use lacked a true stable thick walked construction. Plus the remote is really cheap looking. For 7500 I would rather have EAR Joe raves about. I also demoed Rowland Aeris(very impressive) and both 525 and 625. I would stick with any of their non class D amps. Aeris does not have USB. Good luck.

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    User input always a plus thanks Nick. What made you choose the Pass XP-20 pre over the Vac, Aesthetix or First sound?

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    Loved sound of first sound plus just a single tube per channel. But no remote which is a must for me. Vac great sound but 12 tubes and remote has motorized non digital volumn control that was just not too precise. I was constantly having overshoot. Pass does everything well and at the time of purchase I had Wilson watt puppies which had less sonic issues compared to cr-1. Currently I love my pre and amp after I did some room treatment. If I could add just a little air of a Vac without compromising bass And did not have to contend with Too many tubes and their labor I would consider a hiss free tube amp. Ear, Zanden or maybe Gat( although if lacks xlr) may b considered down the road

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    Re: TAD and Zesto preamp

    Don't ignore the D'Agostino preamp guys....it's a killer good preamp and looks great too.

    Another to consider is the Mcintosh C500T.

    What about the CJ GAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Don't ignore the D'Agostino preamp guys....it's a killer good preamp and looks great too.

    Another to consider is the Mcintosh C500T.

    What about the CJ GAT?
    If I were to add a preamp and take a leap of faith it would definitely be the Zesto. Because it's has been demoed with TAD speakers continuously for the last two years with both SS and it's own tube amp of late. Also quite a few reviews from regular folks as well as reviewers have been extremely positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnthomas View Post
    If I were to add a preamp and take a leap of faith it would definitely be the Zesto. Because it's has been demoed with TAD speakers continuously for the last two years with both SS and it's own tube amp of late. Also quite a few reviews from regular folks as well as reviewers have been extremely positive.

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