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January 26, 2019, 08:46 PM #1
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T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I am the process of consolidating my electronics. The integrated that has caught my eye is the T + A PA2500R. There are various reasons such as the phono pre amp, tone controls, higher current and the power ability into 4 and 2ohms. The other contenders would be the Luxman 509, Pass Labs 250 integrated, Accuphase E-470 or Gryphon Diablo 120 or others? I really don't want to exceed $15K and this limits my choice of the top line models unless I went perhaps the used route. Thoughts and opinions and comparisons would be appreciated!
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January 27, 2019, 12:18 AM #2
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Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
Welcome to AS.
I haven't heard that model but the T+A I have heard, I liked. I've heard a fair amount of Pass and used to own some. Pass would be more to the warm lush side of T+A, no lack of power and drive capability.
Based on hearing the 300, the Gryphon should be a contender. Mike can tell you more how the 120 compares.
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January 27, 2019, 12:36 AM #3
Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I would consider Lux 509 and Devialet 220 Pro Expert!
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January 27, 2019, 11:32 AM #4
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Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
There should be lots of experience on this forum regarding the above, what musical/audiophile priorities do you value? Speakers matter also.
T+A 3000 Series into Magico A3. TW Acoustic Phono.
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January 27, 2019, 11:45 AM #5
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Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
Oly has an E-470 for sale here. I don't know Oly so I am removed on endorsement. Used price leaves room for other upgrades.
Someone had a used Diablo 300 for sale a while ago here and well under 15K.
I had the T+A in my system over a year ago and thought it was neutral but non-fatiguing. Didn't have the sparkle/twinkle of the T+A 3000.T+A 3000 Series into Magico A3. TW Acoustic Phono.
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January 27, 2019, 04:53 PM #6
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Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
My speakers are VA Liszt that are fairly efficient at 91db. I value an open, airy soundstage with an amp that deliver a quick transient response without being harsh or metalic. I listen to most styles of music including full orchestral pieces.
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January 29, 2019, 03:37 PM #7
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Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I took a leap of faith buying my T+A gear. It's not a well known name here in the U.S.. I'm thrilled with my setup. I think the brand offers exceptional quality at all price points. I don't think you'll ever regret a T+A purchase, unless of course you choose to sell the gear at some point. Because of it's lack of popularity, resale is somewhat challenging.
T+A MP3100HV, T+A PA3100HV. Custom made Furutech cables with ETP-609 distributor with NCF outlets, Harbeth 40.2 Anniversaries.
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January 29, 2019, 04:21 PM #8
Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I have to agree here. T+A is exceptional equipment and from my understanding their reputation in Germany and Europe is very high. They are not as well known here in the states so selling a unit is much more of a challenge. Too bad because it is great gear.
For example, I have their little AMP 8 which is a great little amp. Typical of T+A, built like a bear and will definitely last for a very long time. I was trying to sell it because I recently have gotten into SET tube amplifiers and my fantastic T+A is just sitting here not being used. So far I have not had anyone decide to go for it. I have had a couple inquiries but no one has made the move yet. That does not bother me too much since it is a fantastic amp to have as a backup...McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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January 30, 2019, 08:37 AM #9
Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
We'd reviewed T+A PA 2500 R and this is great integrated - with very transparent, but not clinical sound. One thing which is very important is burn-in time even after woke-up from stand by mode. It tooks minimum 45 min - "cold" 2500 lacks emotions.
Marcin
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February 5, 2019, 05:27 PM #10
Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I found the same with my AMP 8, but no so much so with the DAC 8 DSD. Certainly 5-10 minutes is warranted, but not as much as the amp. My SET amps take a while, 45-60 mins seems to be where there is a noticeable improvement.
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"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
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February 12, 2019, 10:12 AM #11
Re: T + A PA 2500R integrated amps. Opinions vs. others
I have the Liszt as well . I replaced a Pass Labs INT150 integrated with T+A PA3000HV Integrated . The INT150 was very very enjoyable but the T+A is in a different world. As a note though the T+A was near 3 times the price of the PASS but it's so good I am thinking of replacing my separates located in another system with the T+A PA3100HV integrated
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ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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February 12, 2019, 05:20 PM #12
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You'll LOVE the T+A PA3100HV. Take it from me, I've owned many. I feel, short of Soulution, you won't find better. Match it up with a MP3100HV. You'll be quite pleased...
T+A MP3100HV, T+A PA3100HV. Custom made Furutech cables with ETP-609 distributor with NCF outlets, Harbeth 40.2 Anniversaries.
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February 12, 2019, 06:38 PM #13
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I go to many Audio shows and Soulution always sets the standard . Just can't quite open my wallet that wide........
As I said I have the T+A PA3000HV in my second system using an integrated to minimize complexity. The results were so extraordinary I am thinking of selling my Aesthetix amp and VAC pre amp and getting the PA3100HV with optional power supply. It's no cheap ride as list for list $ it's the same as my separates but the performance speaks for itself. .System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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