Thread: T+a dac8
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July 12, 2017, 12:04 PM #1
T+a dac8
This has been playing in my system for a few days, and I am really impressed. It has a real sweet sound and GREAT bass. Very organic, sweet sounds. It plays nicely with the Aurender N10 too!
At $4190, it's a GREAT DAC for the money.
"T+A Elektroakustik's DAC 8 DSD has none of these faults, yet approaches the performance of cost-no-object designs. If you've been following the clues, some of you already know where this is going to end: The T+A Elektroakustik DAC 8 DSD could be your stairway to sonic heaven."
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July 12, 2017, 12:05 PM #2
Re: T+a dac8
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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July 12, 2017, 01:28 PM #3
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Mike try sending the T&A DAC8 an upsampled DSD512 signal. IMO this is where this DAC really shines.
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July 12, 2017, 02:23 PM #4
Re: T+a dac8
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July 12, 2017, 04:35 PM #5
Re: T+a dac8
Mike Roon will do DSD512 with a very modest PC and you can get HQ Player to work if you choose your PC wisely. The Roon upsampling algorithms do not sound as good as HQ Player but it could give you a glimpse.
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July 13, 2017, 03:09 AM #6
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My experience has been quiet the opposite. Roon's first up-sampling release sucked big time but after some followup/feedback, the latest up-sampling with sox filter just beats HQP hands down in my system. I am also using Rock/Roon endpoint setup which further improves the SQ. I started with HQP/Windows/NAA and moved to Daphile even before Roon came up with up-sampling - even Daphile sounded better than hqp.
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July 13, 2017, 03:27 AM #7
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Up-sampling to DSD512 is quiet taxing on the CPU. You at least need an i7 6700k to avoid shuttering. A cuda enabled graphic cards helps a lot in offloading the work and let a cpu run a bit cooler than without. However, these are not the problem - if you are up-sampling to DSD512 and using a high power PC, you simply can't connect the PC directly to the T+A. The noise from the PC will kill all that was gained from up-sampling. So the best and cheapest two box solution is to use an endpoint (which connects to the DAC) with a good power supply. The i7 server and endpoint are connected using networking protocols - Roon RAAT or HQP NAA.
The other single box (and albeit expensive) solution is to get the SGM server which can dish out clean USB signal to the DAC and can simultaneously up-sample to DSD512 but (I think) you will be stuck with HQP up-sampling solution with it.
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July 13, 2017, 04:48 AM #8
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For €6900, you can use a Lampi SuperKomputer (version 2) that comes with a stripped down "thin" audiophile Linux and a bespoke ultra low noise PSU that took a year to design and uses bespoke parts not commercially available. The latest FW update from Amanero allows DSD512 to be fed "natively" via Linux/MacOSX and Windows. It also has new redesigned cooling.
I have not heard it, but a pal in the UK has and it blew him away.NORMAN
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July 13, 2017, 07:01 AM #9
T+a dac8
What about the Small Green Computer SonicTransporter (i7) with the new Signature Rendu and use Roon to upsample to DSD512?
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July 13, 2017, 07:40 AM #10
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July 13, 2017, 12:04 PM #11
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NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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July 13, 2017, 12:45 PM #12
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I think its a good choice if its able to up-sample to DSD512.
I, personally, hate to spend thousands of $$ (more than what Small Green is charging) on a x86 based computer. Intel's release cadence is every 6 months (google for tic-toc model) and what is now great become a door stop very quickly in the digital and computer world. You can power them with the world's fanciest linear power supply but ultimately there are noisy dc-dc switching regulators on the motherboard that will take away most of the benefits, unless you are designing the motherboard yourself. A better option is to use a low powered endpoint especially designed for audio, like the Sonore and SoTM devices. The downside is its a two-box solution (and likely more components in your rack) but far more flexible and easily upgrade-able down the line.
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July 13, 2017, 02:22 PM #13
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Those isolation low power computers also need fancy LPSU, so not that much cheaper. Count on near $2K for a Sonore and high quality LPSU and quality connecting cables.
In any case, folkloric assertions are that the SGM beats those 2 PC setups too.
SG Computer will need to have at least a Skylake chipset to upsample i7 6700K reliably. If no upsampling then those fancy lpsu with a 1 box server playing native will be VERY quiet of implemented right. Release cadence does not matter that much as BoM is not dominated by chipset and Mobo on the top servers, its the LPSU/case/cooling system/quality USB and other output cards, SSDs and all the other junk that pile up the cost.
However, your argument still has some validity.NORMAN
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July 13, 2017, 03:06 PM #14
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The basic fact that most people don't realize is that the power/case/cooling requirements mostly comes from the need of compute power - the CPU and memory are a major contributor to it. Not so much for the storage and networking. I started with a 45w CPU and case (Jplay setup), only to aboundone it after couple of months for a 95w CPU and a corresponding larger case for running Roon core. I don't need the fancy LCPU rails to power noisy high speed components which itself has SI challenges. A $300 platinum standard ultra low noise 500w ATX SMPS will just work great. I would rather spend most of my budget on the endpoint where I know things are designed the way it should be for audio.
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July 14, 2017, 09:20 AM #15
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NORMAN
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July 17, 2017, 05:21 PM #16
T+a dac8
Trying the T+A DAC DSD8 with Aurender, iFi USB 3.0, iFi Gemini USB, Stillpoints Ultra SS and the new WyWires Diamond USB in the home system.
Really good!
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March 2, 2018, 10:58 AM #17
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anyone have further experience with the t+a dac 8 dsd? comments / thoughts on how it [or t+a in general] plays with tube gear?
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March 2, 2018, 10:59 AM #18
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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March 2, 2018, 03:10 PM #19
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March 2, 2018, 03:39 PM #20NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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March 2, 2018, 05:11 PM #21
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thanks for the helpful comments -- looks like it would be hard to go wrong here.
any experience using in combination with the t+a mp8? not the holy-grail, one-box solution i have been looking for, but the two together seem to make a pretty complete, high quality digital stack... which is proving hard to replicate elsewhere in any form factor at the combined price point.
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March 2, 2018, 05:54 PM #22
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April 8, 2018, 11:21 AM #23
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Loving the DAC8 DSD in my system. I will probably be getting rid of my Bryston headphone amp and use the DAC to power my cans as well.
A couple guys from our audio club were over yesterday. They were blown away by how the T+A sounded with HQ Player upsampling everything to 24.6 (or 24M6 as T+A labels it )...
I am personally very impressed and feel this DAC is probably the biggest improvement any single piece has made in my system. Those who have followed my journey over the past few years know how many changes have been tried (14 DACs I believe I am up to now, 10 amplifiers, etc.).McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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August 22, 2018, 09:19 AM #24
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2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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August 22, 2018, 10:35 AM #25
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Hmmmm... I am not sure, but I do know that mine does not have the latest firmware. When I contacted T+A support they said I had to ship the DAC to them in Germany if I did not have access to a MP 8 to update the firmware. I would say that this is probably the only disappointment that I have had with the DAC 8 DSD.
I wish they would come up with a way of updating the firmware. I really do not want to send it to Germany and the MP 8 really does not make much sense to me at this point. If it could play SACDs then I might actually consider it... I rarely listen to my tuner but I might more if it was FM-HD which the MP 8 has. I have no interest in spinning standard CDs since I rip every CD and up-sample them to DSD512 with HQPlayer (which makes CDs sound truly high res I might add).
I have actually considered getting rid of my ARC pre-amp and getting a MP 8 simply to complete the T+A system. One thing holding me back is I am still trying to get over my disbelief of how good the AMP 8 is being how small it is. I actually have researched other amplifiers, such as pre-owned ARCs, etc.; however every time I actually sit down and listen the the AMP 8 I think to myself how amazing it is. Especially when seeing how compact it is .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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August 22, 2018, 10:56 AM #26
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2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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August 22, 2018, 02:46 PM #27
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If someone is aware of any way to update firmware without sending my unit back to Germany I would love to hear it. I am also fairly certain that the firmware update is minimal, but I do prefer to keep as up to date as possible ...
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August 22, 2018, 08:51 PM #28
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August 22, 2018, 09:05 PM #29
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Maybe that is a service that T+A can allow certain dealers do in the future for a nominal fee. Maybe they can provide to the dealer the other T+A product so the dealer can easily do the upgrade.
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August 22, 2018, 09:11 PM #30
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That's unrealistic. Ship back to Germany? Even at their expense (highly unlikely) very disappointing.....
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August 22, 2018, 11:18 PM #31
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August 22, 2018, 11:24 PM #32
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Great equipment, both in sound and construction.
Please let me know if you hear anything Mike.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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August 22, 2018, 11:31 PM #33
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That does seem like an odd solution but, thankfully, it’s something they could probably fix with a little determination.
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August 23, 2018, 12:04 AM #34
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Similar situation as what the owners of the Aqua La Voce DAC are faced with. The importer has been unable to find a service center that the factory will approve for their board upgrade so if you are interested it has to go back to Italy. As I have both the DS Sr. and the Musical Paradise here I have just left it alone until something can be changed in the upgrade process. According to Srajen and Darko the difference with the board upgrade is not subtle.
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August 23, 2018, 09:00 AM #35
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The way I see it, one thing is having to replace a board and another one is having firmware (which is software) updated. My Oppo player receives firmware updates automatically via the internet! No need to take it anywhere to have that done.
That said, I am not sure how frequently one would have to do these upgrades. Moreover, I love the sound of the T+A DAC it is the best DAC I have ever owned.
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August 23, 2018, 09:46 AM #36
Re: T+a dac8
Randy - updates are handled here. I’ll PM you details.
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August 23, 2018, 10:07 AM #37
Re: T+a dac8
Thank you Mike. Great news and it is excellent that this was handled so fast. Still would be better to be able to handle it myself, but it is very cool that T+A has setup a US based center to handle these updates!
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August 30, 2018, 11:14 AM #39
Re: T+a dac8
I have exchanged a couple e-mails with the North American sales manager for T+A. Basically he states that there is no need to update the firmware on a DAC 8 DSD.
"Dear Randy,
The firmware update is only necessary if older DAC8 DSD shall be combined with a MP8. In this case the MP8 will do the update. An update will bring no benefit if
there is no MP8 in the system. There will be absolutely no difference in audio quality nor any other benefit if updating the firmware.
The only thing that was changed is that newer firmware can show the DSD sample rate in two different ways: either for example as "2M8" or as "DSD64".
In summary, I found out there is no need to update your DAC8 DSD unless you are adding a MP8.
Kindest regards,"
The display choice was what let me know there was a firmware update. The online manual gives this option while mine does not. While I would like this option, getting this one display option is certainly not worth sending my machine to Georgia, and certainly not worth sending it to Germany .
Anyway, this is the absolute latest information from T+A about this. Even though there is no at home way of updating the firmware, they have confirmed that there is no sonic reason for doing it anyway.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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August 30, 2018, 12:38 PM #40
Re: T+a dac8
Great to hear, Randy. No interruption to the music!
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September 2, 2018, 07:30 AM #41
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Re: T+a dac8
I wonder why the update can't be done through the USB connection on a PC; maybe T+A fears some customers could brick the DAC while updating the firmware on their own and prefer to do it only at the factory or through authorized personnel.
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Very positive comparative review of the T+A DC 8 in Sound Stage Hi Fi:
https://www.soundstagehifi.com/index...alog-converter
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September 4, 2018, 12:31 PM #43
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September 8, 2018, 09:00 AM #44
Re: T+a dac8
Two of the best values out there in my view. Depends on your format leanings I would say. Since I am huge DSD fan, the T+A in the natural choice.
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September 19, 2018, 09:49 AM #46
Re: T+a dac8
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...tal-processors
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February 14, 2019, 12:38 AM #47
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February 14, 2019, 12:58 AM #48
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Holy Crap... does HQPlayer even go up to DSD1024 ....
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February 14, 2019, 03:55 AM #49
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