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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    Hi Jim,

    Do you ever get to the Atlanta area?

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    Hi Jim,

    I’m sure you can provide a few examples!

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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    In a couple of shows in the past where Wilson brought their Thor subs, they did a good job integrating them.
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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    In a couple of shows in the past where Wilson brought their Thor subs, they did a good job integrating them.
    Hi Jock,

    Did Wilson have the Thor’s with the Alexandria XLF this year at Axpona?

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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    I don't think so. They had them at RMAF a couple years ago or Axpona 2017 tho.

    All the shows run together. I go to too many.
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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    I really have to wrap my head around a >$100,000 pair of speakers that call for a subwoofer.

    Talk about an audiophile that has everything !!!
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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    I know what you mean. We are a ridiculous bunch. But . . . . to get the most out of the speakers, they do need the subs.



    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    I really have to wrap my head around a >$100,000 pair of speakers that call for a subwoofer.

    Talk about an audiophile that has everything !!!
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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    But . . . . to get the most out of the speakers, they do need the subs.
    Really Jock !!! I would love to know why you feel a speaker is never complete without a subwoofer ? Or are you only talking about the Alexandria XLF’s ? If this is so, it does not fair well for Wilson. Are they so far up in their ivory tower ?
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    Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Subs are better for low bass than the speakers (assuming only 2 towers), regardless of $100k or $1k, simply because left and right speaker positions may not be optimal for low bass for a particular room response. Besides, you need that massive amount of power to produce low bass and unless itís a powered version like Vandy Model 7, itís just not going to cut it. So, my take is subs arenít a must, but they can certainly enhance your music listening experience.

    Agree with what Mike said above about Magico and JL, my S3s and JL F113v2 integrate seamlessly.

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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    Subs are better for low bass than the speakers (assuming only 2 towers), regardless of $100k or $1k,
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    Re: Are subwoofers bad for music?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph R. View Post
    I really have to wrap my head around a >$100,000 pair of speakers that call for a subwoofer.

    Talk about an audiophile that has everything !!!
    Although not every set-up I have done needed subs, over 90% profited by having them, and very often, it was the large (expensive) "full-range" loudspeakers that profited most.

    Done properly, it's rarely so much about the bass as it is about an increased sense of presence, of the musicians being present in the room, or you are more immersed into the event at the concert venue.

    When I hear someone complaining about the subs not working well with a system, I find I always agree.

    Why? The subs were not properly integrated with the mains.

    Why? Most times, when the mains are set up for optimum musical engagement - dynamics, presence & tone are good - that is not where the deeper bass is smoothest or deepest in the room. Done properly, locating the mains for best performance is the only way you have any hope of integrating the subs properly. If the mains are uneven through the bass, how will you ever get the subs to blend flawlessly?

    If you find that you occasionally want to go over & readjust the subs for a piece of music, then you have more work to do.

    Note that I say subs - not sub. I used to advise my retail stereo clients to save their money until they could afford to buy two subs. IMO, one sub is generally worse than none.

    If you are interested, I wrote a seven part series for Copper e-mag about subs - SUBWOOFERY.

    It expounds on these ideas & more.
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