Zellaton

**TechnicalPie** · October 26, 2020, 09:12 AM

In this thread I would like to discuss the speakers of one of the oldest audio companies in the world - Zellaton!
Moreover, quite recently I had a close acquaintance with the youngest LEGACY model!
And it was fantastic!

ZELLATON Audio is almost 90 years old!
And today it is probably one of the most technologically advanced and progressive companies in the world producing speakers in the quality and price segment of Ultra High End Audio!
And that gives me the right to say that the ZELLATON LEGACY is probably the best compact speaker in the world with an elegant design!
The advantages of the LEGACY include fantastic speed and dynamics of sound, unrivaled musicality and unforgettable appearance!
Let's listen and admire them!

**TechnicalPie** · October 26, 2020, 09:22 AM

ZELLATON AUDIO - ZELLATON LEGACY [HIGH END AUDIO] №2 - YouTube

**TechnicalPie** · October 26, 2020, 09:27 AM

ZELLATON AUDIO - ZELLATON LEGACY [HIGH END AUDIO] №1 - YouTube

**TechnicalPie** · October 26, 2020, 09:38 AM

**kiwi_1282001** · October 26, 2020, 10:30 AM

Very nicely produced video’s TechnicalPie. I did not know ZELLATON Audio was almost 90 years old.

That’s remarkable.

I’d read somewhere that Zellaton makes its own drivers. Is that correct?

**Kuoppis** · October 26, 2020, 11:08 AM

The drivers (membranes) are Zellaton’s core, that’s what got the company started.

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**Ritmo** · October 26, 2020, 12:57 PM

Excellent sounding speakers. Unfortunately, only sold by a single dealer in the US. So access here is very limited.

**Alpinist** · October 26, 2020, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Excellent sounding speakers. Unfortunately, only sold by a single dealer in the US. So access here is very limited.

Audio Arts - NYC - Gideon?

**no32** · October 26, 2020, 02:42 PM

It reminds me the ensemble pa1 series

They were wonderful speakers !

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**joeinid** · October 26, 2020, 04:43 PM

I'd love to know the pricing of the various models. I think conrad-johnson is using them at the factory.

**Randy Myers** · October 26, 2020, 05:58 PM

Is it just me that has my head spinning with how many speaker companies there are.... holy gyumba.... man there are a lot.... it seems like every day I see another name that I have never heard of before.

**mep** · October 26, 2020, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Is it just me that has my head spinning with how many speaker companies there are.... holy gyumba.... man there are a lot.... it seems like every day I see another name that I have never heard of before.

I think your comments could be their own thread so it doesn’t look like you are addressing them towards a speaker company that has been around for a very long time.

**a.wayne** · October 26, 2020, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Is it just me that has my head spinning with how many speaker companies there are.... holy gyumba.... man there are a lot.... it seems like every day I see another name that I have never heard of before.

Has always been ( Historically ) this way ...

**puroagave** · October 26, 2020, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I'd love to know the pricing of the various models. I think conrad-johnson is using them at the factory.

yes they do. I heard the Zellaton under different guises (Symphonic Line). This was Winter CES eons ago and they left an indelible impression then, they were utterly transparent, fast and resolving not unlike a 'stat. It was shocking at the time that cones could pull off the hat trick.

Rick Rubin's Zellaton install: https://www.monoandstereo.com/2019/1...ton-stage.html

**Randy Myers** · October 26, 2020, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by mep

I think your comments could be their own thread so it doesn’t look like you are addressing them towards a speaker company that has been around for a very long time.

Yes, sorry for making an off the cuff comment.... I will try not to let it happen again.

**UltraFast69** · October 26, 2020, 10:52 PM

Would like to hear their Reference and Statement speakers, maybe Munich 2021

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**Golum** · October 27, 2020, 04:25 AM

Fantastic videos! Thanks for this

**joeinid** · October 27, 2020, 09:29 AM

I’d love to hear one of their more sensitive speakers but I think they are wasaaay too expensive.

**Randy Myers** · October 27, 2020, 11:21 AM

How much do these speakers cost? How would a person go about listening to them? How would a person purchase them? How would a customer get service if required?

**Mike** · October 27, 2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

How much do these speakers cost? How would a person go about listening to them? How would a person purchase them? How would a customer get service if required?

If you have to ask...

Only one dealer. The distributor is the only dealer.

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**Randy Myers** · October 27, 2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

If you have to ask...

Only one dealer. The distributor is the only dealer.

Never mind... not my business... if you allow blatant advertising that is your business.

BTW- almost $30,000 for a two-way stand mount speaker.... really... I mean really?

**Mike** · October 27, 2020, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Never mind... not my business... if you allow blatant advertising that is your business.

He blatantly advertises?

Their speakers are $$$$$$$

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**Randy Myers** · October 27, 2020, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

He blatantly advertises?

Their speakers are $$$$$$$

Sorry Mike, but this thread appears to be a free advertisement, not a discussion on their products, by a person from the company.... I personally believe that this type of thread should be in a thread for company advertisements like many other forums do... if they want to advertise their products, cool, but please don't insult us by calling it a discussion.

**joeinid** · October 27, 2020, 02:04 PM

I would personally like to read about new gear no matter who presented it. TechnicalPie is based out of Moscow, says he’s a filmmaker. Zellaton is based in Germany (?). I think there’s only one importer which is too bad. Yes, they are very expensive but unfortunately, almost everything is these days. It’s up to each of us to decide what to do with the information provided but I for one am excited about the prospect of hearing them.

**Randy Myers** · October 27, 2020, 02:17 PM

Yes, they are based out of Germany and they certainly look interesting. I appreciate good discussions, even on a product that is beyond crazily expensive

....

**Kuoppis** · October 27, 2020, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Never mind... not my business... if you allow blatant advertising that is your business.

BTW- almost $30,000 for a two-way stand mount speaker.... really... I mean really?

Randy, the big ones are way over 100K, and the reference model 260K, if I remember correctly.

So, these ones are really outrageously expensive. But they’re supposed to be good. World famous producer Rick Rubin got some for himself.

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**Randy Myers** · October 27, 2020, 04:56 PM

That's cool... and I am sure they are great, and yes, they are outrageously expensive.

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:28 PM

Thanks!!!
Yes, the company produces all the drivers itself!

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

Very nicely produced video’s TechnicalPie. I did not know ZELLATON Audio was almost 90 years old.

That’s remarkable.

I’d read somewhere that Zellaton makes its own drivers. Is that correct?

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:30 PM

Yes!!!

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Audio Arts - NYC - Gideon?

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:34 PM

Zellaton company soon almost 90 years!

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Is it just me that has my head spinning with how many speaker companies there are.... holy gyumba.... man there are a lot.... it seems like every day I see another name that I have never heard of before.

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:38 PM

The speakers are fantastically fast and very musical!

Originally Posted by puroagave

yes they do. I heard the Zellaton under different guises (Symphonic Line). This was Winter CES eons ago and they left an indelible impression then, they were utterly transparent, fast and resolving not unlike a 'stat. It was shocking at the time that cones could pull off the hat trick.

Rick Rubin's Zellaton install: https://www.monoandstereo.com/2019/1...ton-stage.html

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:46 PM

Sorry, but this is not an advertisement !!!
I'm just sharing with you my impressions of listening to amazing speakers!
If you are not interested in this, then you can skip reading.
And despite the cost of Zellaton, these speakers should be listened to at least once in a lifetime!
Trust me, they are worth it!

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Sorry Mike, but this thread appears to be a free advertisement, not a discussion on their products, by a person from the company.... I personally believe that this type of thread should be in a thread for company advertisements like many other forums do... if they want to advertise their products, cool, but please don't insult us by calling it a discussion.

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 08:50 PM

Really good things are never cheap!

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Yes, they are based out of Germany and they certainly look interesting. I appreciate good discussions, even on a product that is beyond crazily expensive

....

**kiwi_1282001** · October 27, 2020, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by TechnicalPie

Thanks!!!

Yes, the company produces all the drivers itself!

That’s great and perhaps a key reason for the companies longevity?

By some accounts, today most loudspeaker manufacturers buy their drivers from third party manufacturers or modify – ever so slightly in some cases – an off the shelf driver. While there is nothing inherently wrong or bad about using commercially-available drivers, owning the intellectual property can be helpful in protecting a business by stopping others from commercially exploiting their innovation.

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 09:04 PM

Thank you!!!
I did my best!

Originally Posted by Golum

Fantastic videos! Thanks for this

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 09:08 PM

Unfortunately, there is no official Zellaton distributor in Russia yet.
Hopefully this will change soon!

Originally Posted by joeinid

I would personally like to read about new gear no matter who presented it. TechnicalPie is based out of Moscow, says he’s a filmmaker. Zellaton is based in Germany (?). I think there’s only one importer which is too bad. Yes, they are very expensive but unfortunately, almost everything is these days. It’s up to each of us to decide what to do with the information provided but I for one am excited about the prospect of hearing them.

**TechnicalPie** · October 27, 2020, 09:18 PM

I think yes!
This is one of the main reasons for the high cost of speakers.
This famous speaker, covered with a layer of the finest foil, has been made for weeks. There are also stiffening ribs!
This is a very time-consuming process, like the production of expensive Swiss watches!

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

That’s great and perhaps a key reason for the companies longevity?

By some accounts, today most loudspeaker manufacturers buy their drivers from third party manufacturers or modify – ever so slightly in some cases – an off the shelf driver. While there is nothing inherently wrong or bad about using commercially-available drivers, owning the intellectual property can be helpful in protecting a business by stopping others from commercially exploiting their innovation.

**UltraFast69** · October 28, 2020, 10:00 AM

Never heard them, but have added them to my Munich list next year assuming it is still a go

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**mep** · October 28, 2020, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Never mind... not my business... if you allow blatant advertising that is your business.

BTW- almost $30,000 for a two-way stand mount speaker.... really... I mean really?

Where have you been? Magico Q1 speakers which are a two way stand mount speaker cost over $26,000 in 2012. Do you complain about the prices for Wilson, Magico, MBL, and other expensive speakers or are you just singling out Zellaton?

**rbbert** · October 28, 2020, 11:23 AM

I remember hearing some Zellaton multi-driver dipoles at a show a few years ago; expensive, but they pulled off the all too rare trick of disappearing into the room. The exhibitor was reluctant to play them very loudly, though, so no way to know if that quality persisted at higher volumes (an even rarer quality in speakers)

**Randy Myers** · October 28, 2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by mep

Where have you been? Magico Q1 speakers which are a two way stand mount speaker cost over $26,000 in 2012. Do you complain about the prices for Wilson, Magico, MBL, and other expensive speakers or are you just singling out Zellaton?

This thread is about Zellaton, or have you forgotten. Can you please simply stop having snarky responses to every post I make. It is truly becoming tiring and is getting quite ridiculous. When the heck did I ever crap in your Wheaties? Just stop it MEP... enough is enough.

**puroagave** · October 28, 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

Sorry Mike, but this thread appears to be a free advertisement, not a discussion on their products, by a person from the company.... I personally believe that this type of thread should be in a thread for company advertisements like many other forums do... if they want to advertise their products, cool, but please don't insult us by calling it a discussion.

let me get this straight. first you were reeling about a speaker you never heard of, then personal anecdotes from others describing them as a fine speaker wasn't enough. when you discovered the price to be absurd (by your reckoning) you then wanted the thread moved to the commercial section because it smelled like an ad. Really? Im content coming on any forum to learn something new and read about underreported/underrated components as most discussion center around the same handful of well-worn and boring (to me) subjects.

**Randy Myers** · October 28, 2020, 11:52 AM

First off, I was not reeling about the company I just mention that there seem to be an amazing amount of speaker companies... just an off the cuff comment, not bad intent intended. The original several posts did seem to smell like a commercial ad, others agreed with me... and yes, in my view $30,000 for two way stand mount speakers is very expensive. None of this was a negative on the company, only that if it was indeed an advertisement it should be identified as such, if not then sorry for mentioning that it appears to be. None of this should affect your reading or enjoyment of this thread. If it does then I am sorry and apologies.

**apdoc2004** · October 28, 2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

First off, I was not reeling about the company I just mention that there seem to be an amazing amount of speaker companies... just an off the cuff comment, not bad intent intended. The original several posts did seem to smell like a commercial ad, others agreed with me... and yes, in my view $30,000 for two way stand mount speakers is very expensive. None of this was a negative on the company, only that if it was indeed an advertisement it should be identified as such, if not then sorry for mentioning that it appears to be. None of this should affect your reading or enjoyment of this thread. If it does then I am sorry and apologies.

So what if it comes across as a "commercial ad" (I do not view it like that)? This forum is enriched by talk about different manufacturers making state of the art equipment. Otherwise, we would be talking about the same 3-4 companies all day long. I value Technial Pie's contributions to this forum-- they talk about amazing products that we usually do not hear about in the US. If you have such a bee up your bonnet about Zellaton, just ignore the thread. Why ruin it for everyone else?!!

**joeinid** · October 28, 2020, 12:14 PM

I don’t know what the audio scene is like in Moscow but I also sincerely appreciate Technical Pie’s contribution as well.

**mep** · October 28, 2020, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by puroagave

let me get this straight. first you were reeling about a speaker you never heard of, then personal anecdotes from others describing them as a fine speaker wasn't enough. when you discovered the price to be absurd (by your reckoning) you then wanted the thread moved to the commercial section because it smelled like an ad. Really? Im content coming on any forum to learn something new and read about underreported/underrated components as most discussion center around the same handful of well-worn and boring (to me) subjects.

Dandy Randy at his finest. He wants to tell Mike how to run his forum and he doesn’t like to see expensive products being mentioned. I guess he forgot that Mike is a dealer for some very expensive products.

**Kuoppis** · October 28, 2020, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by UltraFast69

Never heard them, but have added them to my Munich list next year assuming it is still a go

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No chickening out here...

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**mep** · October 28, 2020, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

This thread is about Zellaton, or have you forgotten. Can you please simply stop having snarky responses to every post I make. It is truly becoming tiring and is getting quite ridiculous. When the heck did I ever crap in your Wheaties? Just stop it MEP... enough is enough.

Enough is enough with your whining about how many speaker companies there are in the world and how expensive some speakers are. You should go rearrange the toy cars on your audio rack, take some pictures, and update your system thread. That would be better than you expressing outrage at the cost of speakers you were never in the market for.

**Randy Myers** · October 28, 2020, 12:49 PM

You really are a piece of work...

**joeinid** · October 28, 2020, 01:01 PM

Mark,

Please lay off of fellow forum members. Put each other on ignore. I think Randy was more concerned that someone was trying to use the forum as advertising, not that there’s tons of manufacturers and prices.

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