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    quiet an entertaining e-fight

    as for the zellatons, they are the most outstanding speakers for me. apart from the bass....little output, not even a hint of slam.
    their newest model, the plural evo, is said to be a different animal. very good bass and a more attractive price (40k euro). what makes the zellaton so expensive is the work involved for the driver. for the plural evo they found a cheaper way.
    i was close to buy it and it is still on my list. my wife dont want them in the livingroom though. a friend in germany got them in the store and was talking enthusiastic about.
    Zellaton - PLURAL EVO

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    Now those look interesting. They are a speaker I would love to listen to, and being 92dB efficiency would make them more flexible then the 86 of their smaller model.
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    After perusing youtube for various Zellaton videos, the speakers seem like highly resolving, technical, accurate and analytical sounding type. Accurate but too antiseptic for my taste. Not something I would ever enjoy.
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    Where can I get some efficient masks?

    Is there a measuring audio forum section? ...For say speakers, Zellaton included...with graphs (polar dispersion, sound waves, cumulative spectral-decay, time-delay, off-axis frequency response, total harmonic distortion, power response, amplitude, impedance, plot pattern, phase factor, bass reach, ...).
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    300,000 euro Zellaton Statement. ($400k) I know it is difficult to judge sound in a youtube video and the sound is only as good as the computer speakers you are listening through but... The highly accurate and leaner than a dog's breath and colder than a witches' t*t response always shines through with these types of overachieving speakers. Even on youtube (to my ears at least) I suppose if one is to limit them to only the "best quality/audiophile grade recordings" they would be very impressive. I know many do enjoy this type of sound though. Munich HIGH END Show - 2018 - ZELLATON - YS Sound [HIGH END AUDIO] - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    quiet an entertaining e-fight

    as for the zellatons, they are the most outstanding speakers for me. apart from the bass....little output, not even a hint of slam.
    their newest model, the plural evo, is said to be a different animal. very good bass and a more attractive price (40k euro). what makes the zellaton so expensive is the work involved for the driver. for the plural evo they found a cheaper way.
    i was close to buy it and it is still on my list. my wife dont want them in the livingroom though. a friend in germany got them in the store and was talking enthusiastic about.
    Zellaton - PLURAL EVO
    If the Plural Evo is 40K, that’s regular hi-end territory.

    Would be interested to listen to them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    After perusing youtube for various Zellaton videos, the speakers seem like highly resolving, technical, accurate and analytical sounding type. Accurate but too antiseptic for my taste. Not something I would ever enjoy.

    And you arrive at this conclusion by listening to YouTube videos?
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    Absolutely. You can easily hear how resolving and accurate the Statement is. Based on my experience over the years that equates to a sound that is too lean and threadbare for my taste. As I mentioned in my other posts, I am sure many will enjoy that type of sound. No doubt with audiophile recordings it is a phenomenal speaker. Not sure what else one would expect from a 300k Euro pair of speakers? Color and euphony?

    Just like I have yet to encounter metal drivers that I would find acceptable long term although they can be extremely accurate. Actually the Focal Utopia headphones with a Beryllium driver that is completely linear out to 50Khz came awfully close to being perfect for me but I still gave up on them long term as I don't only listen to Asian and other Diva audiophile grade recordings. Not that anyone can make a full range speaker like the Focal Utopia headphone... My taste and preference, I am sure many will disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    If the Plural Evo is 40K, that’s regular hi-end territory.

    Would be interested to listen to them.


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    yes from what i heard their older drivers were made by hand and the ones for the evo are made by machine. also the plan is to produce higher number of units with the evo series than they were able with their upper series....and also a tighter pricestructure.
    all this together made the "low" price possible. they cost 80k in asisa i heard. not sure what they cost in the usa.
    i think for germans, in this pricecategory, if you can deal with the size and look.....sure very worth to listen to

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    And you arrive at this conclusion by listening to YouTube videos?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    Absolutely. You can easily hear how resolving and accurate the Statement is. Based on my experience over the years that equates to a sound that is too lean and threadbare for my taste. […]

    Experienced audiophiles rarely draw conclusions based solely on YouTube videos and generally grasp that with transparent loudspeakers the characteristics of the resulting sound will be largely dictated by the recording, the partnering equipment and influence of the listening space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    not far from you
    ZELLATON PLURAL EVO | Standlautsprecher | Loftsound

    yes from what i heard their older drivers were made by hand and the ones for the evo are made by machine. also the plan is to produce higher number of units with the evo series than they were able with their upper series....and also a tighter pricestructure.
    all this together made the "low" price possible. they cost 80k in asisa i heard. not sure what they cost in the usa.
    i think for germans, in this pricecategory, if you can deal with the size and look.....sure very worth to listen to
    Thanks, interesting.

    Maybe worth a road trip Zellaton.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    Experienced audiophiles rarely draw conclusions based solely on YouTube videos and generally grasp that with transparent loudspeakers the characteristics of the resulting sound will be largely dictated by the recording, the partnering equipment and influence of the listening space.
    Thank you for the lesson of what an experienced audiophile needs to determine what a speaker sounds like. I've only been into it for 30 years, have either owned or auditioned or had on loan most of the brands popular in the USA since the late 80's. But you are correct, an audiophile should not jump to conclusions by listening to youtube... In my case it is enough for me to determine I will not be spending $400k on the Statements...
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    Well, I listened to the videos. Based on what I heard on the videos, they are not my cup of tea. They are way too lean and treble focused for my taste.

    Comparatively, I prefer the balanced and full MBL 120 presentation on Mike’s videos. I have listened to the MBL 120 in a live audition and they sounded just as great as they did on Mike’s videos.

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    Excuse me, of course, but you are wrong!
    I'm not a ZELLATON man!!! It looks funny!
    There is no official ZELLATON representative in Russia at all!
    In Russia, I sell many other brands Gryphon, DCS, Dynaudio, Sonus Faber ...)
    And when Zellaton Legacy came for my test, I was really impressed by them.
    And on this forum I just decided to share my emotions with you! That's all!
    I know perfectly well the sound of expensive bookshelf speakers like Magico Q1, Raidho D, Borresen 01 and many others.
    But the Legacy sound is something special!
    Just listen to them!

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    Sorry Mike, but this thread appears to be a free advertisement, not a discussion on their products, by a person from the company.... I personally believe that this type of thread should be in a thread for company advertisements like many other forums do... if they want to advertise their products, cool, but please don't insult us by calling it a discussion.

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    First - ZELLATON not use metal drivers!!!
    This is a multi-layer foam covered with the thinnest layer of foil!

    Secondly - Any speakers of Focal Utopia, in my opinion, are not a competitor to Zellaton!

    Focal Utopia - These are really dry and unnecessarily harsh high frequencies.
    After 15 minutes of listening, they give me a headache.
    They also have a specific "glass" bass.
    There is nothing to do with natural sound! IMHO

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    The Zellaton Statement loudspeaker created the most realistic reproduction of the human voice I’ve ever heard from a hi-fi system. The sound was ineffably beautiful, seemingly existing in space independent of the physical means of its reproduction. The focus and coherence was beyond hi-fi. "


    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    Absolutely. You can easily hear how resolving and accurate the Statement is. Based on my experience over the years that equates to a sound that is too lean and threadbare for my taste. As I mentioned in my other posts, I am sure many will enjoy that type of sound. No doubt with audiophile recordings it is a phenomenal speaker. Not sure what else one would expect from a 300k Euro pair of speakers? Color and euphony?

    Just like I have yet to encounter metal drivers that I would find acceptable long term although they can be extremely accurate. Actually the Focal Utopia headphones with a Beryllium driver that is completely linear out to 50Khz came awfully close to being perfect for me but I still gave up on them long term as I don't only listen to Asian and other Diva audiophile grade recordings. Not that anyone can make a full range speaker like the Focal Utopia headphone... My taste and preference, I am sure many will disagree.

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    Sure, I will listen to them... please send me a pair... oh, that is a problem, there is absolutely no way to listen to them... We would gladly allow you the chance to change our minds... send a pair to Ken, send a pair to me ...

    Quote Originally Posted by TechnicalPie View Post
    “Best Sound!!!
    The Zellaton Statement loudspeaker created the most realistic reproduction of the human voice I’ve ever heard from a hi-fi system. The sound was ineffably beautiful, seemingly existing in space independent of the physical means of its reproduction. The focus and coherence was beyond hi-fi. "
    I've seen many similar review quotes on other speakers....
    "What a speaker! What a completely memorable high-fidelity moment."
    "When the song ended, I was speechless. I could not imagine a million-dollar system playing it any better. "

    I could easily come up with a hundred quotes from reviews on speakers making similar statements about speakers that are in the $2000 range. Again, not saying the Zellaton's are not fantastic, I would be fairly certain they are. However quotes from reviewers mean little... if only they could be listened to ... I would be glad to listen, send a pair .

    (obviously, for those who cannot tell the difference, this post is made with tongue planted firmly in cheek)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    [...] I would be glad to listen, send a pair .
    LoL. Well at least going about things the right way. Actually requesting to listen to the speakers in your system and room before forming an opinion on whether (price aside) you like them or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    LoL. Well at least going about things the right way. Actually requesting to listen to the speakers in your system and room before forming an opinion on whether (price aside) you like them or not.
    If someone posts videos of a system, they should prepare to get opinions on what it sounds like, be it positive or negative. Otherwise, why did they post it in the first place? I have done many live auditions of components that I listened to on videos first. It was a rare occurrence that I enjoyed the live audition when I didn’t enjoy the sound on the videos first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnicalPie View Post
    First - ZELLATON not use metal drivers!!!
    This is a multi-layer foam covered with the thinnest layer of foil!

    Secondly - Any speakers of Focal Utopia, in my opinion, are not a competitor to Zellaton!

    Focal Utopia - These are really dry and unnecessarily harsh high frequencies.
    After 15 minutes of listening, they give me a headache.
    They also have a specific "glass" bass.
    There is nothing to do with natural sound! IMHO

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    The Zellaton Statement loudspeaker created the most realistic reproduction of the human voice I’ve ever heard from a hi-fi system. The sound was ineffably beautiful, seemingly existing in space independent of the physical means of its reproduction. The focus and coherence was beyond hi-fi. "
    Yes, I am aware that Zelleton used FOAM not metal for their drivers. My example of FOCAL UTOPIA HEADPHONES (NOT SPEAKERS) was just an example of what my taste/hearing does not tolerate long term. There is no comparison of Utopia Headphones to Speakers as there is only ONE driver in the headphones per side and it is completely linear out to 50KHz without even getting into crossover distortion and the fact that they can't make Beryllium drivers for full range speakers.

    By the way, if you have a chance to listen to a pair of Utopia Headphones, do give them a listen. It just may open up a new window of appreciation of what a pure and accurate sound REALLY is. It is just me, I like a bit of color and euphony over accuracy and perfect response since the recording engineers did not always do a great job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    If someone posts videos of a system, they should prepare to get opinions on what it sounds like, be it positive or negative. Otherwise, why did they post it in the first place? I have done many live auditions of components that I listened to on videos first. It was a rare occurrence that I enjoyed the live audition when I didn’t enjoy the sound on the videos first.

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    Bingo. If you have spent enough time in this hobby and listened to a multitude of different flavors of gear and speakers, youtube will not stand in the way of getting a very good idea what the philosophy of the speaker is. I can tell a tonally rich and saturated presentation of a speaker tilted a bit on the romantic and musical side from a speaker whose engineers worked very hard on accuracy and faithful tonal/timbre qualities. I may not be able to tell much else from a youtube video but all that is secondary to me. If I like what I hear, I am confident I can work with it. In fact that is what I did with my latest pair of speakers. Heard them on Mike's youtube and ordered right away! I love them just like I knew I would.

    Would I suggest for folks to use youtube to select their speakers? Of course NOT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    if you have a chance to listen to a pair of Utopia Headphones, do give them a listen. It just may open up a new window of appreciation of what a pure and accurate sound REALLY is. It is just me, I like a bit of color and euphony over accuracy and perfect response since the recording engineers did not always do a great job!
    Exactly, we all have different preferences. I have never listened to the Utopia's, but I did own the Clear's. They were very nice headphones, but I can say without reservations that I very much prefer my Abyss. Completely different level. They also gave me a good idea that I prefer ribbon, planar magnet, panel transducers. With much reading and research I came to the realization that my preferences lean toward panel designs... That is me, maybe not other people .... they are pretty popular though . Very happy that I moved to planer speakers.... very much improve my enjoyment of my music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Exactly, we all have different preferences. I have never listened to the Utopia's, but I did own the Clear's. They were very nice headphones, but I can say without reservations that I very much prefer my Abyss. Completely different level. They also gave me a good idea that I prefer ribbon, planar magnet, panel transducers. With much reading and research I came to the realization that my preferences lean toward panel designs... That is me, maybe not other people .... they are pretty popular though . Very happy that I moved to planer speakers.... very much improve my enjoyment of my music.
    Absolutely. We all have our preference and it often goes hand in hand with the genre of music we prefer. Some speakers just work better with specific genres. The transparency, speed, attack and decay or leading and lagging transient response of electrostatic/panel/ribbon drivers often has a slight advantage over the better dynamic drivers and often at a lower price point. The proper placement of such speakers comes into play. I had my time with Martin Logans and Magnepans back in the day. I was truly impressed with the Audeze headphones as well. Once again, if I preferred accuracy, I would still be with a faster, more airy speaker like the Logans or a Magnepan on their higher end of offerings.
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    I have heard Zellation Emotions and the Zellaton Reference at RMAF and the New York Audio Show respectively. Two out of three times the sound was so good I didn't want to leave the room. The only time I wasn't pulled in was when he used CH Precision electronics. Probably too much tending toward the analytical in the chain there ....

    They don't have enough bass for me and I doubt they would be dynamic enough either. However, other than those limitations, they are phenomenal. For me they do everything electrostatics do but they do it better. The drivers sound more like the real thing and they are just as fast and transparent. I had several moments where I was amazed at what I was hearing. All of the drivers in the speakers I heard were the handmade foam sandwich drivers which probably helped them sound so coherent.

    They are crazy expensive -- References are $150K, Stages are $90K and if the Emotions are still available I think they were around $30K. But if money was not a concern and I had the space I would own them just for when I wanted to listen to smaller scale music. I also love the Vandersteen 7s which have identical drivers (except for the subs) and I think that is part of their magic as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backpacker View Post
    I also love the Vandersteen 7s which have identical drivers (except for the subs) and I think that is part of their magic as well.
    That is what I love about Vandy 7’s too and exactly why I purchased them.

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