Thread: Zellaton
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October 28, 2020, 01:14 PM #51
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quiet an entertaining e-fight
as for the zellatons, they are the most outstanding speakers for me. apart from the bass....little output, not even a hint of slam.
their newest model, the plural evo, is said to be a different animal. very good bass and a more attractive price (40k euro). what makes the zellaton so expensive is the work involved for the driver. for the plural evo they found a cheaper way.
i was close to buy it and it is still on my list. my wife dont want them in the livingroom though. a friend in germany got them in the store and was talking enthusiastic about.
Zellaton - PLURAL EVO
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October 28, 2020, 01:22 PM #52
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Now those look interesting. They are a speaker I would love to listen to, and being 92dB efficiency would make them more flexible then the 86 of their smaller model.
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October 28, 2020, 01:37 PM #53
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After perusing youtube for various Zellaton videos, the speakers seem like highly resolving, technical, accurate and analytical sounding type. Accurate but too antiseptic for my taste. Not something I would ever enjoy.
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October 28, 2020, 01:44 PM #54
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Where can I get some efficient masks?
Is there a measuring audio forum section? ...For say speakers, Zellaton included...with graphs (polar dispersion, sound waves, cumulative spectral-decay, time-delay, off-axis frequency response, total harmonic distortion, power response, amplitude, impedance, plot pattern, phase factor, bass reach, ...).~ Bob ~
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October 28, 2020, 01:56 PM #55
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300,000 euro Zellaton Statement. ($400k) I know it is difficult to judge sound in a youtube video and the sound is only as good as the computer speakers you are listening through but... The highly accurate and leaner than a dog's breath and colder than a witches' t*t response always shines through with these types of overachieving speakers. Even on youtube (to my ears at least) I suppose if one is to limit them to only the "best quality/audiophile grade recordings" they would be very impressive. I know many do enjoy this type of sound though. Munich HIGH END Show - 2018 - ZELLATON - YS Sound [HIGH END AUDIO] - YouTube
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October 28, 2020, 03:36 PM #56
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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October 28, 2020, 09:06 PM #57
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October 28, 2020, 09:22 PM #58
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Absolutely. You can easily hear how resolving and accurate the Statement is. Based on my experience over the years that equates to a sound that is too lean and threadbare for my taste. As I mentioned in my other posts, I am sure many will enjoy that type of sound. No doubt with audiophile recordings it is a phenomenal speaker. Not sure what else one would expect from a 300k Euro pair of speakers? Color and euphony?
Just like I have yet to encounter metal drivers that I would find acceptable long term although they can be extremely accurate. Actually the Focal Utopia headphones with a Beryllium driver that is completely linear out to 50Khz came awfully close to being perfect for me but I still gave up on them long term as I don't only listen to Asian and other Diva audiophile grade recordings. Not that anyone can make a full range speaker like the Focal Utopia headphone... My taste and preference, I am sure many will disagree.
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October 28, 2020, 09:27 PM #59
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not far from you
ZELLATON PLURAL EVO | Standlautsprecher | Loftsound
yes from what i heard their older drivers were made by hand and the ones for the evo are made by machine. also the plan is to produce higher number of units with the evo series than they were able with their upper series....and also a tighter pricestructure.
all this together made the "low" price possible. they cost 80k in asisa i heard. not sure what they cost in the usa.
i think for germans, in this pricecategory, if you can deal with the size and look.....sure very worth to listen to
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October 28, 2020, 10:00 PM #60
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Experienced audiophiles rarely draw conclusions based solely on YouTube videos and generally grasp that with transparent loudspeakers the characteristics of the resulting sound will be largely dictated by the recording, the partnering equipment and influence of the listening space.Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.
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October 28, 2020, 10:02 PM #61
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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October 28, 2020, 10:25 PM #62
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Thank you for the lesson of what an experienced audiophile needs to determine what a speaker sounds like. I've only been into it for 30 years, have either owned or auditioned or had on loan most of the brands popular in the USA since the late 80's. But you are correct, an audiophile should not jump to conclusions by listening to youtube... In my case it is enough for me to determine I will not be spending $400k on the Statements...
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October 29, 2020, 07:10 AM #63
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Well, I listened to the videos. Based on what I heard on the videos, they are not my cup of tea. They are way too lean and treble focused for my taste.
Comparatively, I prefer the balanced and full MBL 120 presentation on Mike’s videos. I have listened to the MBL 120 in a live audition and they sounded just as great as they did on Mike’s videos.
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October 29, 2020, 08:07 AM #64
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Excuse me, of course, but you are wrong!
I'm not a ZELLATON man!!! It looks funny!
There is no official ZELLATON representative in Russia at all!
In Russia, I sell many other brands Gryphon, DCS, Dynaudio, Sonus Faber ...)
And when Zellaton Legacy came for my test, I was really impressed by them.
And on this forum I just decided to share my emotions with you! That's all!
I know perfectly well the sound of expensive bookshelf speakers like Magico Q1, Raidho D, Borresen 01 and many others.
But the Legacy sound is something special!
Just listen to them!
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October 29, 2020, 08:33 AM #65
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First - ZELLATON not use metal drivers!!!
This is a multi-layer foam covered with the thinnest layer of foil!
Secondly - Any speakers of Focal Utopia, in my opinion, are not a competitor to Zellaton!
Focal Utopia - These are really dry and unnecessarily harsh high frequencies.
After 15 minutes of listening, they give me a headache.
They also have a specific "glass" bass.
There is nothing to do with natural sound! IMHO
Please read!
The 2018 Munich High-End Show | The Absolute Sound
“Best Sound!!!
The Zellaton Statement loudspeaker created the most realistic reproduction of the human voice I’ve ever heard from a hi-fi system. The sound was ineffably beautiful, seemingly existing in space independent of the physical means of its reproduction. The focus and coherence was beyond hi-fi. "
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October 29, 2020, 08:36 AM #66
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Sure, I will listen to them... please send me a pair... oh, that is a problem, there is absolutely no way to listen to them... We would gladly allow you the chance to change our minds... send a pair to Ken, send a pair to me ...
I've seen many similar review quotes on other speakers....
"What a speaker! What a completely memorable high-fidelity moment."
"When the song ended, I was speechless. I could not imagine a million-dollar system playing it any better. "
I could easily come up with a hundred quotes from reviews on speakers making similar statements about speakers that are in the $2000 range. Again, not saying the Zellaton's are not fantastic, I would be fairly certain they are. However quotes from reviewers mean little... if only they could be listened to ... I would be glad to listen, send a pair .
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October 29, 2020, 09:15 AM #67
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October 29, 2020, 10:01 AM #68
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If someone posts videos of a system, they should prepare to get opinions on what it sounds like, be it positive or negative. Otherwise, why did they post it in the first place? I have done many live auditions of components that I listened to on videos first. It was a rare occurrence that I enjoyed the live audition when I didn’t enjoy the sound on the videos first.
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October 29, 2020, 12:48 PM #69
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Yes, I am aware that Zelleton used FOAM not metal for their drivers. My example of FOCAL UTOPIA HEADPHONES (NOT SPEAKERS) was just an example of what my taste/hearing does not tolerate long term. There is no comparison of Utopia Headphones to Speakers as there is only ONE driver in the headphones per side and it is completely linear out to 50KHz without even getting into crossover distortion and the fact that they can't make Beryllium drivers for full range speakers.
By the way, if you have a chance to listen to a pair of Utopia Headphones, do give them a listen. It just may open up a new window of appreciation of what a pure and accurate sound REALLY is. It is just me, I like a bit of color and euphony over accuracy and perfect response since the recording engineers did not always do a great job!
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October 29, 2020, 12:54 PM #70
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Bingo. If you have spent enough time in this hobby and listened to a multitude of different flavors of gear and speakers, youtube will not stand in the way of getting a very good idea what the philosophy of the speaker is. I can tell a tonally rich and saturated presentation of a speaker tilted a bit on the romantic and musical side from a speaker whose engineers worked very hard on accuracy and faithful tonal/timbre qualities. I may not be able to tell much else from a youtube video but all that is secondary to me. If I like what I hear, I am confident I can work with it. In fact that is what I did with my latest pair of speakers. Heard them on Mike's youtube and ordered right away! I love them just like I knew I would.
Would I suggest for folks to use youtube to select their speakers? Of course NOT!
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October 29, 2020, 01:05 PM #71
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Exactly, we all have different preferences. I have never listened to the Utopia's, but I did own the Clear's. They were very nice headphones, but I can say without reservations that I very much prefer my Abyss. Completely different level. They also gave me a good idea that I prefer ribbon, planar magnet, panel transducers. With much reading and research I came to the realization that my preferences lean toward panel designs... That is me, maybe not other people .... they are pretty popular though . Very happy that I moved to planer speakers.... very much improve my enjoyment of my music.
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October 29, 2020, 01:42 PM #72
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Absolutely. We all have our preference and it often goes hand in hand with the genre of music we prefer. Some speakers just work better with specific genres. The transparency, speed, attack and decay or leading and lagging transient response of electrostatic/panel/ribbon drivers often has a slight advantage over the better dynamic drivers and often at a lower price point. The proper placement of such speakers comes into play. I had my time with Martin Logans and Magnepans back in the day. I was truly impressed with the Audeze headphones as well. Once again, if I preferred accuracy, I would still be with a faster, more airy speaker like the Logans or a Magnepan on their higher end of offerings.
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November 1, 2020, 11:10 PM #73
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I have heard Zellation Emotions and the Zellaton Reference at RMAF and the New York Audio Show respectively. Two out of three times the sound was so good I didn't want to leave the room. The only time I wasn't pulled in was when he used CH Precision electronics. Probably too much tending toward the analytical in the chain there ....
They don't have enough bass for me and I doubt they would be dynamic enough either. However, other than those limitations, they are phenomenal. For me they do everything electrostatics do but they do it better. The drivers sound more like the real thing and they are just as fast and transparent. I had several moments where I was amazed at what I was hearing. All of the drivers in the speakers I heard were the handmade foam sandwich drivers which probably helped them sound so coherent.
They are crazy expensive -- References are $150K, Stages are $90K and if the Emotions are still available I think they were around $30K. But if money was not a concern and I had the space I would own them just for when I wanted to listen to smaller scale music. I also love the Vandersteen 7s which have identical drivers (except for the subs) and I think that is part of their magic as well.__________________________________________________ _______________
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November 2, 2020, 04:44 PM #74
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"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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May 27, 2021, 11:06 AM #75
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I bought the very similar looking, probably with same components ( at least looks the same and as far as I can recall are indeed Zellaton made ), Swiss made Ensemble Reference back in 92 for 5500 USD. So price for new Zellaton Legacy might be not so steep after all. The above Ensembles still sound fantastic after close to 30 years.
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June 4, 2021, 03:58 AM #76
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June 4, 2021, 01:32 PM #77
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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June 5, 2021, 12:08 PM #78Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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June 5, 2021, 01:01 PM #79Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Goldmund Telos 1000 Nextgen mono amplifiers, Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier, Doshi Audio EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostages, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
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June 5, 2021, 03:02 PM #80
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Are they natural sounding ...?
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June 5, 2021, 03:14 PM #81
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June 5, 2021, 03:27 PM #82
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hi myles, did you already had the pleasure to listen to the plural?
glad to hear any kind of feedback. it was on my wishlist while it came out new and then it was so quiet that i forgot about it.
nice pictures by the way!
Zellaton Plural Evo - Part 1 - Unpacking - YouTube
if you skip to the end, there is one in custom color, porsche-achatgrey
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June 5, 2021, 04:17 PM #83
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June 5, 2021, 05:01 PM #84
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Yes, just recently. You can read about my listening experiences here:
Venturing Out For The First Time -
Audionirvana.orgMyles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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June 5, 2021, 06:48 PM #85
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very cool!
may i ask how cohesiv, coherent and balanced they play.
you mentioned very good bass. can you please say, do they truly slam?
how different / similar to your magicoS5mk2 ?
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June 6, 2021, 10:46 AM #86
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I find all of Zellaton speakers very sexy looking. Sound pretty good in YT videos as well, but never one to judge speakers or components over YTs. Potentially a brand that is worth drooling over.
Plural EVO is expensive, no doubt. But not ungenerous with 2x 11” bass drivers. If they could come out with a slightly smaller speaker in the EVO series at a price point of $35-40k, it’ll attract many buyers in the US.
Could Suncoast be the second dealer in US?
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June 6, 2021, 10:48 AM #87
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June 6, 2021, 01:00 PM #88
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First, it’s not fair to compare the speakers unless in they’re in the same system with the same components. Both are fine speakers when surrounded by top flight gear.
Second, bass. All I can say is that I didn’t notice any issues with one of my low end reference LPs O-Zone Percussion (Clearaudio). This album has tons of deep, dynamic and impactful bass and it was all there. Have to certainly give some credit for that to the Goldmund preamp and FMA amps.
As an aside, I often find speaker low bass performance is often mistaken for amplifier low bass performance. This was apparent years ago in the few speakers that went low (take for instance a classic speaker like the Infinity RS1-bs) and although certainly improved in the intervening years still exists. We just don’t tend to notice low end performance as much until we use a speaker that tests the low octave boundaries and is built to be clean and linear in that region.Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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June 6, 2021, 04:07 PM #89
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Been doing low and sub bass myself since 1977, low bass is not new in many circles, Room , speakers and amp selected is Very important, when going for a natural sound ...!
Regards
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June 18, 2021, 11:55 PM #90
Re: Zellaton
Just arrived on Tuesday. I think they’re the first pair in the US.
Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Goldmund Telos 1000 Nextgen mono amplifiers, Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier, Doshi Audio EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostages, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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June 19, 2021, 03:08 AM #91
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June 19, 2021, 03:31 AM #92
Re: Zellaton
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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June 19, 2021, 03:38 AM #93
Re: Zellaton
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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June 19, 2021, 04:03 AM #94
Re: Zellaton
Wow! Congrats on your new speakers. I’ve always liked the way Zellaton’s sound at shows. Very open, very musical. Fast. Congrats again!
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June 19, 2021, 06:54 AM #95
Re: Zellaton
Congratulations Myles! I’m a fan of Zellaton speakers. Enjoy in good health!
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Mike
Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
Subwoofers: REL Carbon Specials
Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
ICs and SCs: Wireworld Platinum 8
Rack: Artesania Exoteryc
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June 19, 2021, 07:58 AM #96
Re: Zellaton
Congrats Myles,
Speakers are now in the same room, same 3ft apart with the same electronics ,
compare away .. !
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June 19, 2021, 10:40 AM #97
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June 19, 2021, 11:15 AM #98
Re: Zellaton
Back to our regular scheduled programming.
Keep us posted on how they change as they break in.
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December 8, 2021, 09:21 PM #99
Re: Zellaton
Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Goldmund Telos 1000 Nextgen mono amplifiers, Goldmund Mimesis 37S Nextgen preamplifier, Doshi Audio EVO and Goldmund PH3.8 phonostages, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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December 9, 2021, 08:36 PM #100
Re: Zellaton
Lovely review , well Done ....!
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