Well respected speakers that you don't like

**Thedubemaster** · December 13, 2014, 11:58 AM

Any Legacy Spekaer from the Helix down. They look like they had to use up all the drivers they had left and make something big!

**Thedubemaster** · December 13, 2014, 12:00 PM

I couldn't believe someone put in the Magico Q5 in the beginning of the post. Those would be my dream speaker if I had the room but I understand this is opinion only so I won't cry and go home.

**Mike** · December 13, 2014, 12:03 PM

Haha! True.

That was me. Like others in the Q line, they do NOTHING wrong....except fail to engage you in the music. I much prefer the S5's over the Q5's. YMMV. I do have a soft spot for the Q1's....

**Thedubemaster** · December 13, 2014, 12:07 PM

Thanks for the reply. I know every speaker would be in this post so no offense at all here. The Q1 is my next speaker I will buy to replace the Watt Puppy 8s I have now. I love them so I don't know why I want to upgrade except for the excercise period. They do everything well and they used to be the go to speaker all others were compared to at one time. Just restless I guess. Now I can post pictures. Whooohooo

**FlexibleAudio** · December 13, 2014, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thedubemaster

I couldn't believe someone put in the Magico Q5 in the beginning of the post. Those would be my dream speaker if I had the room but I understand this is opinion only so I won't cry and go home.

But it helps to have one of these for the Q5's.

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

But it helps to have one of these for the Q5's.

Does that mean Raidho needs this:

**FlexibleAudio** · December 13, 2014, 01:15 PM

Lets put it this way, for 24 hours I had a deposit on the Q5's and changed my mind for the D3's with absolutely no regrets.

**FlexibleAudio** · December 13, 2014, 01:20 PM

Also Mep, indicating that I believe a speaker I am intimately familiar with needs a lot of power is a completely different thing than dogmatically proclaiming a speaker I have never heard is "flawed." IMO, one is helpful and the other is frankly just noise.

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Also Mep, indicating that I believe a speaker I am intimately familiar with needs a lot of power is a completely different thing than dogmatically proclaiming a speaker I have never heard is "flawed." IMO, one is helpful and the other is frankly just noise.

Paul-I'm not sure if you enjoy tweaking me more than I enjoy tweaking you or if it's the other way around. Either way, we're getting tweaked.

And by the way, it's not me that is dogmatically proclaiming those speakers "flawed." I'm just commenting on what all of the owner's who have proclaimed the speakers flawed have said. I'm going to be keeping an eye on you and see how long you own them before they are up for sale. It doesn't seem to take long before they wear people out and they give up. On the other hand, even if you wanted to sell them, you would probably stick them in a closet and buy another pair of speakers so you couldn't give me the pleasure of busting your onions.

**FlexibleAudio** · December 13, 2014, 01:37 PM

Yes Mep, if we do ever end up on the same team we might rule the world.(As an aside, I promise to never tweak you as much as my D3's but I insist they aren't flawed.)

**veindoc** · December 13, 2014, 02:51 PM

Also had deposit on Q1-prodigous bass for it size but after 30 minutes that percussive attack and tweeter was just too much for my smallish room. I think they can flourish in a large room and the right amps otherwise bleeding ears may ensue. YMMV
Nick

**Bobolaclune** · December 13, 2014, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by mep

Paul-I'm not sure if you enjoy tweaking me more than I enjoy tweaking you or if it's the other way around. Either way, we're getting tweaked.

And by the way, it's not me that is dogmatically proclaiming those speakers "flawed." I'm just commenting on what all of the owner's who have proclaimed the speakers flawed have said. I'm going to be keeping an eye on you and see how long you own them before they are up for sale. It doesn't seem to take long before they wear people out and they give up. On the other hand, even if you wanted to sell them, you would probably stick them in a closet and buy another pair of speakers so you couldn't give me the pleasure of busting your onions.

MEP, I'm an ACTUAL owner of the D-1's and I'll put in my vote for you in the next election. We're singing in the same choir . Only my ornery nature and pride are getting between me and getting rid of the Raidhos. They're definitely wearing me out....

**FlexibleAudio** · December 13, 2014, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by mep

Paul-I'm not sure if you enjoy tweaking me more than I enjoy tweaking you or if it's the other way around. Either way, we're getting tweaked.

And by the way, it's not me that is dogmatically proclaiming those speakers "flawed." I'm just commenting on what all of the owner's who have proclaimed the speakers flawed have said. I'm going to be keeping an eye on you and see how long you own them before they are up for sale. It doesn't seem to take long before they wear people out and they give up. On the other hand, even if you wanted to sell them, you would probably stick them in a closet and buy another pair of speakers so you couldn't give me the pleasure of busting your onions.

Wait a minute.....did I say I have Raidho's? I am going to have to check on that and get back to you.

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Wait a minute.....did I say I have Raidho's? I am going to have to check on that and get back to you.

Paul-Check your signature bro.

Raidho D3's (Version II)

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bobolaclune

MEP, I'm an ACTUAL owner of the D-1's and I'll put in my vote for you in the next election. We're singing in the same choir . Only my ornery nature and pride are getting between me and getting rid of the Raidhos. They're definitely wearing me out....

I gave you credit for giving the most honest assessment yet of Raidho speakers and I could feel your frustration in your post. I hope it works out for you.

**Odyssey** · December 13, 2014, 07:31 PM

Prerequisites. Raidho's are not plug and play speakers or for the faint of heart. They are "401" speakers not "101" speakers. I think of them as Divas or Prima Donnas. But even Divas can be coaxed into singing. And sing they do. But if you do not have the tolerance for "tuning and cajoling" them into excellence they are not for you. Those who are happy with them have posted extensively on what it takes. Roll up your sleeves. Do the work and you will be one step closer to nirvana. I have two different pairs of Raidhos. I find myself getting up at 5 AM on some mornings to listen to them because my wife think I spend too much time with them and not with her.

If you have not owned or listened to the Raidho line of speakers and are trashing them, don't think that the grapes that you have not tasted are sour just because you have not reached for them.

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Odyssey

Prerequisites. Raidho's are not plug and play speakers or for the faint of heart. They are "401" speakers not "101" speakers. I think of them as Divas or Prima Donnas. But even Divas can be coaxed into singing. And sing they do. But if you do not have the tolerance for "tuning and cajoling" them into excellence they are not for you. Those who are happy with them have posted extensively on what it takes. Roll up your sleeves. Do the work and you will be one step closer to nirvana. I have two different pairs of Raidhos. I find myself getting up at 5 AM on some mornings to listen to them because my wife think I spend too much time with them and not with her.

If you have not owned or listened to the Raidho line of speakers and are trashing them, don't think that the grapes that you have not tasted are sour just because you have not reached for them.

Sounds like your wife is on to something. Maybe you should wake her up at 5:00 in the morning so you can spend more time with her.

**rbbert** · December 13, 2014, 09:42 PM

My wife and I get up together at 5 AM, but not to listen to Raidho's

**mep** · December 13, 2014, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by rbbert

My wife and I get up together at 5 AM, but not to listen to Raidho's

Me too. We are both at work by 6:00 AM.

**nbrowser** · December 13, 2014, 11:24 PM

hrm let the fur fly...I've personally heard the Focal Grande Utopia EM speakers powered by a huge stack of Bryston gear. My impressions...meh. Honestly too sterile and not a lot of fun in the presentation. I like a fun speaker, one you can hear someone had fun in mind when they designed it.

**Mike** · December 13, 2014, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by nbrowser

hrm let the fur fly...I've personally heard the Focal Grande Utopia EM speakers powered by a huge stack of Bryston gear. My impressions...meh. Honestly too sterile and not a lot of fun in the presentation. I like a fun speaker, one you can hear someone had fun in mind when they designed it.

Any examples?

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**RichardAusten** · December 14, 2014, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by nbrowser

hrm let the fur fly...I've personally heard the Focal Grande Utopia EM speakers powered by a huge stack of Bryston gear. My impressions...meh. Honestly too sterile and not a lot of fun in the presentation. I like a fun speaker, one you can hear someone had fun in mind when they designed it.

Perhaps what you were having problem with were the Bryston amps. At CAS I heard Focal with amps brought by Recording Engineer Bob Hodus and it was by far the best I have heard from Focal. In HK I heard Focal with YS electronics and it too was spectacular. The HK based company I had never heard of and the amplifiers were $500,000 US for the preamp and power amps but it was one of the rare times I have actually LOVED SS amplifiers. Unfortunately the price is dizzying (and I liked the sound before I knew the price). Bryston got me into the high end - but it's funny - now I can barely stomach it for more than 5 minutes.

**Bruce** · December 14, 2014, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Any examples?

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SF Guarneri Homage

Bruce

**Mike** · December 14, 2014, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bruce

SF Guarneri Homage

Bruce

No arguments here!

**Big B** · December 14, 2014, 10:17 AM

+1

Originally Posted by dlb2

Although I haven't heard every speaker in their lineup, B&W just doesn't do it for me. They have great engineering, R&D, marketing, etc... but I just don't care for their overall sound.

Maybe I need to hear the Diamond series.

**Glareskin** · December 14, 2014, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by nbrowser

hrm let the fur fly...I've personally heard the Focal Grande Utopia EM speakers powered by a huge stack of Bryston gear. My impressions...meh. Honestly too sterile and not a lot of fun in the presentation. I like a fun speaker, one you can hear someone had fun in mind when they designed it.

This is not a good sign for the Bryston gear. I have heard them play with the Naim Statement amp and that was stunning. One of the best sound reproductions I have ever experienced and definitely the most relaxed one.

Also with McIntosh gear (not my favorite amps) the sound is amazing, as demoed here in Tilburg, The Netherlands

**Mike** · December 14, 2014, 10:45 AM

To be fair guys, comparing Bryston gear to Naim Statement isn't quite fair. The Bryston gear has a market and a place. The Bryston 28SST2's driving a pair of Maggie 20.7's would give anyone world class sound reproduction at a fraction of the price of some of these other big systems.

Like the Hegel H30, the Bryston 28SST2's are hard to beat under $20,000 for difficult to drive speakers (which the Focals are not).

**Glareskin** · December 14, 2014, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

To be fair guys, comparing Bryston gear to Naim Statement isn't quite fair. The Bryston gear has a market and a place. The Bryston 28SST2's driving a pair of Maggie 20.7's would give anyone world class sound reproduction at a fraction of the price of some of these other big systems.

Like the Hegel H30, the Bryston 28SST2's are hard to beat under $20,000 for difficult to drive speakers (which the Focals are not).

Fair enough. And I don't judge on the Bryston amps I just figured that if you don't like the Grande Utopia's it most be another source.

**FlexibleAudio** · December 14, 2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by mep

Paul-Check your signature bro.

Bro, it was humor related to your "closet" comment about hiding my Raidho's. Are you serious? Of course I own and love my D3's.

**FlexibleAudio** · December 14, 2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by mep

I gave you credit for giving the most honest assessment yet of Raidho speakers and I could feel your frustration in your post. I hope it works out for you.

Dude, All kidding aside, why can you only focus on comments people make about the Raidho's set-up complexity and ignore all of the exceptionally positive points people make about how phenomenal the speakers can be when dialed in properly?

So all of the people that absolutely love their Raidho's and don't want to sell them aren't as honest as our friend Bobo? You really come off as having an odd fixation for someone who has never heard the speaker.

**RichardAusten** · December 14, 2014, 11:18 AM

I'm not convinced AT ALL by Magnepan with anything let alone Bryston. My dealer in British Columbia carries both lines and neither is their favorite.

I remember listening to an AN System in their basement room - listened to classical, jazz, pop, and some soft rock (Jackson Browne). Went up to listen to the flagship Magnepans with the flagship Bryston and Classe gear. I listened for a time and was stunned at how truly pathetic it sounded compared to the AN system below (which was half the price). I looked over at the dealer and he simply smiled and said "we know."

Mind you I get the appeal of them - but a lot of people including me don't REMOTELY associate Magnepan with World Class. One man's poison...

**annapolis Raider** · December 14, 2014, 11:29 AM

Richard, You have any further info on this YS Electronics.... I looked found nothing....

**Glareskin** · December 14, 2014, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by annapolis Raider

Richard, You have any further info on this YS Electronics.... I looked found nothing....

It might be Ypsilon electronics from Greece. This is really really top notch gear. Very unknown but definitely competes with the best that we know.
?????? - Untouchable... but not unreachable

Here is a picture of a power amp.

**wisnon** · December 14, 2014, 03:40 PM

Ypsilon?

High End Swiss 2014: Ypsilon, Backes & Muller | The Audio Traveler

**Glareskin** · December 14, 2014, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by wisnon

Ypsilon?

High End Swiss 2014: Ypsilon, Backes & Muller | The Audio Traveler

Yes exactly! And what I see in your message: Backes & Müller is a brand I actually do like! This was one of the positive surprises of the Münich High-End 2014. I visited a demo of the big ones with te wooden finish (BM20 or BM30 i believe) and that was awesome. It filled the big room with the most beautiful and realistic high-end sound reproduction. And lots of power too...

**RichardAusten** · December 14, 2014, 06:41 PM

No it's not Ypsilon. (though I had Ypsilon a tied show winner in 2012). But I believe it was a big power tube or tube hybrid).

There are two companies with the same name in HK - one is YS Audio - a tube maker I have not heard. The other is SS but alas I can find no website. They may only sell to the Chinese market. I've been looking for ages for a website. There is a big tube amp maker here who seems to target just HK as well Sound Master although he one dabbled in the west - he had an old pair of Avalons that he managed to make sound excellent and with KT88s which I normally don't like.

I wish I asked more about YS but $500k I kinda of just said thanks and left. And I remember liking Technical Brain a whole lot on sound but apparently they all fail - and they were pricey. So I would wait for Western representation regardless.

**annapolis Raider** · December 14, 2014, 08:25 PM

Thanks Richard, I'm a regular traveler to HK. I was familiar with the YS Electronics (tube manufacturer), wanted to know if its the same company? Regardless, I just bought the Gryphon gear.... and I'm not 500k insane, lol, so I'm not in the market, but always curious. For those of you not familiar with the Asian market, there are a number of companies over there making excellent gear that never gets exported out out of the region.

**RichardAusten** · December 15, 2014, 05:06 AM

I also really liked the Analog Domain gear - I liked it over Shindo in the same room. And I'm a single ended triode sorta guy. To be fair the AD stuff was about 5 times the price - and I personally think Shindo is better on the preamp side of things. Shindo Petrus with the $100k AN Kegons was spectacular.

The Focal stuff I hated the first several times - Bob Hodus at CAS changed my mind. He was running the tape project and I just can't remember the amps he was using. But they actually raised the speakers a few inches off the ground and he claimed this was part of the big reason they sounded so good - blanketing the wall behind them in treatments also likely helped. I didn't end up choosing them in my final 4 of that show because they were not selling gear (it was the tap project) but it was the runner up room. Speakers I kinda hated wound up being pretty terrific. (That's why this thread is a bit funny. I try to hear everything at least 3 different times in 3 locations with appropriate gear). Shows are often dreadful.

I nearly bought the Micro-Utopia second hand for the small monitor system. I wound up getting the KEF LS-50 - but if I could have a do-over I would have taken the Focal.

Lastly you're right about some of the Asian stuff - I saw Line Magnetic's new line at the dealer here and oh boy does that stuff look incredible. But the pre with monoblocks is going to easily run $25,000 US and with the "Made in China" factor that is going to have to sound twice as good to get any respect from the anti-Chinese sentiment out there.

I really want to hear these for $27,000 - each monoblock is 204kg and is about 5 feet tall. A whopping 20ish watts per channel - lol - but how do you actually work it? eesh

**wisnon** · December 23, 2014, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by BruceLet

I had a pair of Green Mountain Audio Calypsos. They did some amazing things and were impressive with great recordings. I hated them and couldn't wait for them to go.

Why?

**kzhtoo** · December 26, 2014, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by RichardAusten

I also really liked the Analog Domain gear - I liked it over Shindo in the same room. And I'm a single ended triode sorta guy. To be fair the AD stuff was about 5 times the price - and I personally think Shindo is better on the preamp side of things. Shindo Petrus with the $100k AN Kegons was spectacular.

The Focal stuff I hated the first several times - Bob Hodus at CAS changed my mind. He was running the tape project and I just can't remember the amps he was using. But they actually raised the speakers a few inches off the ground and he claimed this was part of the big reason they sounded so good - blanketing the wall behind them in treatments also likely helped. I didn't end up choosing them in my final 4 of that show because they were not selling gear (it was the tap project) but it was the runner up room. Speakers I kinda hated wound up being pretty terrific. (That's why this thread is a bit funny. I try to hear everything at least 3 different times in 3 locations with appropriate gear). Shows are often dreadful.

I nearly bought the Micro-Utopia second hand for the small monitor system. I wound up getting the KEF LS-50 - but if I could have a do-over I would have taken the Focal.

Lastly you're right about some of the Asian stuff - I saw Line Magnetic's new line at the dealer here and oh boy does that stuff look incredible. But the pre with monoblocks is going to easily run $25,000 US and with the "Made in China" factor that is going to have to sound twice as good to get any respect from the anti-Chinese sentiment out there.

I really want to hear these for $27,000 - each monoblock is 204kg and is about 5 feet tall. A whopping 20ish watts per channel - lol - but how do you actually work it? eesh

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The amps that were used in Focal/Bob Hodus room were VTL big mono blocks. Exact model slipped my mind. Focal's were Scala Utopia. Agree, that room was refreshing and stood out.

**iosiP** · December 26, 2014, 02:20 PM

Question: if noone likes a speaker why is it "well respected"? Just because a paid-for reviewer wets his pants over it?

**mep** · December 26, 2014, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by iosiP

Question: if noone likes a speaker why is it "well respected"? Just because a paid-for reviewer wets his pants over it?

Maybe the price is high enough that you have to respect the price if not the speaker.

**Glareskin** · December 27, 2014, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by iosiP

Question: if noone likes a speaker why is it "well respected"? Just because a paid-for reviewer wets his pants over it?

I don't think if none likes a speaker it becomes well respected. A well respected speaker is one that sells well PLUS has good reviews (plural; not only a single guy wetting hos pants) PLUS picks-up well in the fora like Audioshark.

Even on this forum you see waves of speakers that multiple members buy. Raidho, D3/D5 Wilson Alexia, Dali Epicon 8. And quite frankly, these are good speakers for sure but for example I couldn't wet my pants on either one of those.

**mep** · December 27, 2014, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Glareskin

I don't think if none likes a speaker it becomes well respected. A well respected speaker is one that sells well PLUS has good reviews (plural; not only a single guy wetting hos pants) PLUS picks-up well in the fora like Audioshark.

Even on this forum you see waves of speakers that multiple members buy. Raidho, D3/D5 Wilson Alexia, Dali Epicon 8. And quite frankly, these are good speakers for sure but for example I couldn't wet my pants on either one of those.

With regards to Raidho, you left off "and sell" after "buy."

**FlexibleAudio** · December 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Just read this thread for the first time......very interesting. Kinda hard to find a speaker that didn't make the list. Ain't it great.

When I think more about this thread I wonder how much of it can be explained by speaker set-up as opposed to the listener's personal taste. There are certainly a large number of great speakers on this list that have been widely panned. Is this because the speakers truly have bad SQ; are not suited to that particular listeners taste; or is it due to sub-optimum set-up experienced by the poster in question?

I would guess given the pedigree of many speakers referenced, set-up explains a large share of the list. Just my guess of course.

**mep** · December 27, 2014, 02:24 PM

Paul-You may well have a good point. There are speakers listed here that are on some people's dream list to own while others here actually do own them. They all can't be that "good" or that "bad" at the same time. Could be the rooms and/or the gear they are being driven with that causes the myriad of opinions on how they sound.

**FlexibleAudio** · December 27, 2014, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by mep

Paul-You may well have a good point. There are speakers listed here that are on some people's dream list to own while others here actually do own them. They all can't be that "good" or that "bad" at the same time. Could be the rooms and/or the gear they are being driven with that causes the myriad of opinions on how they sound.

Oh crap, why do I feel like I need to look under my bed????

Originally Posted by mep

With regards to Raidho, you left off "and sell" after "buy."

Mep, I honestly would like your take on Michael's comments (link below) regarding his design objectives that I have been trying to explain to you which IMO make the Raidho's sound so singular from a musicality stand point, but also make them difficult to set up. Please pay particular attention to his reference to the vagaries of mechanical damping and the dynamic linearity of electrical damping (ergo his preference for electrical damping and the criticality of proper electronic matching).

Have you ever heard of anyone selling the Raidho's who powered them with Soulution gear? I think it is unfortunate you haven't heard the D3's with this pairing. Michael has been clear about his design intent and the tradeoff's regarding amp selection from the early days of the D3's. If people either don't understand this point or choose to ignore it and, in turn, sell the speakers while simultaneously espousing they are the most fantastically musical and engaging speakers they have ever heard, I find that very unfortunate; but it is not because the bass can't be controlled.

Please note Michael's explanation dates back to 2013 long before much of the online brouhaha about Raidho bass control. This supports my position to you that low mechanical damping was part of the original design intention which helps achieve the Raidho magic as opposed to what you refer to as a flaw (i.e., it is not cya by Michael after the fact).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkBF...mbedded#at=387

**Ritmo** · December 27, 2014, 06:31 PM

I can't believe this thread has 25 pages...

... Just saying...

**mep** · December 27, 2014, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Oh crap, why do I feel like I need to look under my bed????

I thought the horse's head was in the bed.

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Mep, I honestly would like your take on Michael's comments (link below) regarding his design objectives that I have been trying to explain to you which IMO make the Raidho's sound so singular from a musicality stand point, but also make them difficult to set up. Please pay particular attention to his reference to the vagaries of mechanical damping and the dynamic linearity of electrical damping (ergo his preference for electrical damping and the criticality of proper electronic matching).

Have you ever heard of anyone selling the Raidho's who powered them with Soulution gear? I think it is unfortunate you haven't heard the D3's with this pairing. Michael has been clear about his design intent and the tradeoff's regarding amp selection from the early days of the D3's. If people either don't understand this point or choose to ignore it and, in turn, sell the speakers while simultaneously espousing they are the most fantastically musical and engaging speakers they have ever heard, I find that very unfortunate; but it is not because the bass can't be controlled.

Please note Michael's explanation dates back to 2013 long before much of the online brouhaha about Raidho bass control. This supports my position to you that low mechanical damping was part of the original design intention which helps achieve the Raidho magic as opposed to what you refer to as a flaw (i.e., it is not cya by Michael after the fact).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkBF...mbedded#at=387

Paul-I will watch the video and mull it over and get back to you.

**Alpinist** · December 27, 2014, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio

Oh crap, why do I feel like I need to look under my bed????

Mep, I honestly would like your take on Michael's comments (link below) regarding his design objectives that I have been trying to explain to you which IMO make the Raidho's sound so singular from a musicality stand point, but also make them difficult to set up. Please pay particular attention to his reference to the vagaries of mechanical damping and the dynamic linearity of electrical damping (ergo his preference for electrical damping and the criticality of proper electronic matching).

Have you ever heard of anyone selling the Raidho's who powered them with Soulution gear? I think it is unfortunate you haven't heard the D3's with this pairing. Michael has been clear about his design intent and the tradeoff's regarding amp selection from the early days of the D3's. If people either don't understand this point or choose to ignore it and, in turn, sell the speakers while simultaneously espousing they are the most fantastically musical and engaging speakers they have ever heard, I find that very unfortunate; but it is not because the bass can't be controlled.

Please note Michael's explanation dates back to 2013 long before much of the online brouhaha about Raidho bass control. This supports my position to you that low mechanical damping was part of the original design intention which helps achieve the Raidho magic as opposed to what you refer to as a flaw (i.e., it is not cya by Michael after the fact).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkBF...mbedded#at=387

Paul,

It seems with Raidho what you get out of them is directly proportional to what you put into them. Grounding, power, amps with high damping factor and slew rate, appropriate cabling, granite slabs and positioning all should be addressed. If you are willing to slay all these dragons, you will be richly rewarded. If you're not willing to do these things, best to look elsewhere. You and I both traded in our Pass Labs amps for Soulution amps. These are the necessary hoops that need to be jumped through in order to maximize performance. I suspect we'll both be very happy with our decisions in the long run.

Best,
Ken

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