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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    My problem with the salon2 was I couldnít afford to power them. I know guys are using emotiva, but once I hear something I canít unhear it and my h360 with 425/4 x2 wasnít enough juice. My dealer told me to forget about the 7f, said I would need at least the 9h since I wonít use subs. So no 7f updates from me. I can talk about the ushers and the DSP8000ís if you want.
    The h300 integrated was flat and uninvolving with my salon2's but the h30 in stereo mode was plenty of power to make them sing in a 17x38 room. I also get great sound with 600w classe monos -- you should be able to find pretty good deals on used models of either amp brand.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    Are you saying the 360 couldn't drive the Salons?

    My friend used a 360 to drive Salon 2's and KEF Ref 5's, at different times, of course. Another friend who has an all Ultima home theater can drive the Salons into the ground with an ATI 3000, he has upgraded to the 6000 signature.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    My problem with the salon2 was I couldnít afford to power them. I know guys are using emotiva, but once I hear something I canít unhear it and my h360 with 425/4 x2 wasnít enough juice. My dealer told me to forget about the 7f, said I would need at least the 9h since I wonít use subs. So no 7f updates from me. I can talk about the ushers and the DSP8000ís if you want.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    In fairness I am unfamiliar with the 360. The power specs on the 300 and 360 are only part of the story. The preamp section plays a big part as well. I originally replaced my 300 with the p30+h30 combo. An improvement, sure, but what took the system over the top was inserting a Soulution 520 pre (also decent used pricing now). I tried replacing the h30 with Soulution 501s, but those seemed unable to fill the Revel’s belly in a large room. At my mountain house I’m using an EMM Pre2 (also good used deals) with 600 watt Classes in a 23x36 room with great success. So it’s a combination of sufficient quality watts and the right pre to make the Salon2s come to life. IME Hegel preamplification vis the p30 and h300 can be noticeably improved upon. Whether this observation applies to hegel’s more recent integrateds I can’t say, but this could explain Steve’s dissatisfaction with the 360.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    I know of a guy that loves the salon2's with his h360, but when I put red hot chili peppers on a boogie levels the thermal protection kicked in and I like my music dynamic and punchy. I've heard from both camps and it's probably room and music dependent. The h360 is a keeper but for Rock music in a large dead room the salon2' s need an arc welder to drive them. My Ushers are 6db louder at 55 than the revels were at 75 on the dial. The gent I sold my salon's to uses mc 601's and says they're peak lights are blinking as often as not.
    Meridian dsp8000,(Usher Be-20dmd, Vienna Acoustics Strauss, for sale)VA Beethivens, , Hegel h360, rega jupiter, roon nucleus, revox tuner.

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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    The Pass X350.8 does a great job driving the Salon 2s.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    I actually text Revel support and asked how much power they recommend for the salon and was told simply "500 watts". I need to clarify something in regards to the h360. I love it, I picked it among several others at the price because I found it to be the most musical, natural sounding product I could find and I replaced the A21 with it. The reason for my contribution to the thread was another poster recommending the A21 to drive the speakers and I know first hand that they(revels) would benefit from much more power.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    I wonder if that 500 watts is 250x2? If not, ask them which of their amps put out 500 watts x2. I can't think of one unless maybe the 53 monoblocks.

    The 532h is 300x2 and doesn't even double down and I know it drives the Salon 2's. Even at high volumes with reference label recordings.

    Glad you chimed in, all input is welcome. I've just not seen the Salons be that difficult to drive. I do know the dealer wasn't as happy with the 585 driving them as the 532h.

    Larry drove his Maggies with an A21, I'd be surprised if the Salons impedance dipped lower than those.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    I actually text Revel support and asked how much power they recommend for the salon and was told simply "500 watts". I need to clarify something in regards to the h360. I love it, I picked it among several others at the price because I found it to be the most musical, natural sounding product I could find and I replaced the A21 with it. The reason for my contribution to the thread was another poster recommending the A21 to drive the speakers and I know first hand that they(revels) would benefit from much more power.
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    I was just curious, this is from J Atkinson's measurements of the Salon 2. Larry Green used Levinson amps, JA had some monster Musical Fidelity 750watts

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements

    Sound Stage: The Salon2’s anechoic sensitivity is said to be 86.4dB/2.83V/m, and its impedance is rated at a nominal 6 ohms, with a low of 3.7 ohms at 90Hz. You’ll need a reasonably powerful amp to play them to appreciable volume levels, but you don’t have to go overboard. I used amps rated from 100 to 175Wpc with the Salon2s, and they worked just fine. No doubt you could use something bigger -- ideally, something rated at 250-300Wpc, if only for that ease and effortlessness that a really big amp can provide. Unfortunately, I had no such beast on hand.

    Doug Snyder said the Salon 2 was the best passive speaker had reviewed to date. http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/equ...ima_salon2.htm
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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    I can only talk of my personal experience.
    Meridian dsp8000,(Usher Be-20dmd, Vienna Acoustics Strauss, for sale)VA Beethivens, , Hegel h360, rega jupiter, roon nucleus, revox tuner.

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    Re: Paradigm Persona 5F and 7F vs Salon 2s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I was just curious, this is from J Atkinson's measurements of the Salon 2.

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements
    The impedance is 4 ohms +/- over a wide swath, so the 86db +/- voltage sensitivity is really 83db/1watt (or 86db/2 watts).
    I'd personally recommend an amp capable of 500w rms into 4 ohms to drive them in a larger room. Luckily, there are a number of sanely priced class D amps capable of doing just that. A Hypex NC500 based amp should do so handily.

    cheers,

    AJ

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