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August 29, 2020, 01:06 PM #1
New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
My goal is to upgrade my wonderful Magico S3 Mk2 speakers to do justice to the rest of my system. Next 6-12 months.
Have settled on the above options as preferences. Would appreciate thoughts. From what I have learned, all these speakers are equivalent (roughly speaking). Unless you think I am completely missing something, please do not suggest alternatives. For example, am not interested in Focal or Wilson (for various reasons).
Key info:
- my room is 19 feet deep, very wide and very high ceiling
- music preferences: eclectic. Everything. Classical, jazz, Aftrobeat, Bossanova, Hard rock, electronica etc (except country and western 🤪
- my bias is towards percussion and bassDigital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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August 29, 2020, 01:17 PM #2
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Also, although I know the merits of subwoofer(s) I have no space for them, so subs are out.
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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August 29, 2020, 01:59 PM #3
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
I’ll stay out of this one.
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August 29, 2020, 03:19 PM #4
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Whenever I've heard the Magico M series - 2, 3 or 6 they have sounded pretty dang good. The Rockports and YG are hit and miss when Ive listened to them, sometimes good and sometimes bad. I no experience with the Gryphon.
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August 30, 2020, 02:40 AM #5
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
All four will be great speakers, the Gryphon is the "odd" one in this group (ported and an AMT tweeter), personally I like closed enclosure designs. Chosing the Magico M3 or YG Acoustics Sonja is a matter of taste, I like the Kick bass in the Magico designs, but the YG acoustics designs go down lower in my experience.
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August 30, 2020, 11:07 AM #6
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
AJR, with your bias toward bass, I'm surprised that Wilson, probably the Alexia II, isn't on your candidate list along with Rockport.
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August 30, 2020, 11:47 AM #7
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
AJR, you can see writeups of most of the brands you're hearing on my huge speaker thread "elsewhere" as I went through the same search. I haven't had a chance to hear the Pantheon, though owe Philip O'Hanlon a visit - pandemic got in the way unfortunately.
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August 30, 2020, 12:02 PM #8
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
AJR, as we have a similar taste in speakers, tomorrow I’m going to listen to the Vimberg Minos and Tondas, to get a feel for what Jeff Fritz is so fussed up about.
I’ll let you know how it goes . The matte black ones look the part.
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August 30, 2020, 12:42 PM #9
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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August 30, 2020, 12:44 PM #10
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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August 30, 2020, 12:52 PM #11
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Fair enough. I like Kuoppis' suggestion. In addition to Fritz' plug for the Tondas, Stereophile (JA) published a very favorable review of the Minos.
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August 30, 2020, 01:16 PM #12
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
In my listens to Magico and Yg, I personally liked the Magico better. I never had a same room/equipment comparison. From reviews and comments seems Yg can be a challenge to set up correctly in a room.
I only heard Gryphon with their speakers once, the sound was very good with excellent imaging.
I only heard Vimberg once and I loved it, very much the Tidal sound.
I believe synergy will be a factor, I'm sure your Gryphon could drive anything, it's just will it sound good with each of the brands, will they compliment one another.Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
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August 30, 2020, 01:40 PM #13
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New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
XAudio in Bukit Timah carries Lansche (as well as Vivid Giya ). They used to have the 4.2 and 3.1 on demo. Ask for Swee.
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August 31, 2020, 04:21 AM #14
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Would I be wrong asking why as already having Gryphon electronics looking further then Pantheons as they I assume would be a perfect match?
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August 31, 2020, 07:12 AM #15
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
certainly 4 excellent speaker.
gryphon will match gryphon,
yg might be right for your room hight,
rockport the greatest bass,
the m3 is the m3, the best looking by far
however, since all those 4 speakers are on the market for a couple of years and mk2 does always come, for me it would all depend on the dramatic deal you can get.
and, while you are not buying to sell them....that day will come as well in a couple of years and my guess is that the m3 will hold value the best and also the easiest to sell. (old monsters = very low cash)
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August 31, 2020, 05:58 PM #16
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
...or he could buy my Q3 for a bargain.
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September 1, 2020, 07:48 AM #17
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Wow, you still have the Q3's, saw them on ebay for quite some time. Great speaker but although "probably" a bargain, still a considerable amount for many.
Have you tried exchanging them with the M3's after they were run in ? just interested in the difference between them.
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September 1, 2020, 01:46 PM #18
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Keith, thank you I tried to articulate my requirements. Let me try again:
- must be neutral (Gryphon amps are slightly coloured as they are “rich”, so I want speakers that delivers deliver that richness)
- mid range must be musical
- must go deeper than the S3 Mk2 bass (which I appreciate and love)
- this is probably the most important point: my room is medium size (doubles up as TV room) and so footprint is an issue. Am currently considering the physical dimensions of these speakers.Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 01:49 PM #19
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
And of course, with this budget at stake, I will listen to all these amps in due course. The purpose of this thread is to stress test this forum’s views at a general level
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 02:37 PM #20
New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
So AJR, I gave the Vimberg Mino a listen.
- pros: very good resolution, had a lots of bass, very good imaging, they love all the audiophile stuff: Stimela drum layers, Diana Krall etc.
- cons: I found that the treble sticked out even of the center image quite a bit, bass was there in abundance but I felt it was a bit bloated (three small bass drivers tuned to do the whole shebang resulted in a bit strained sound), rock was missing cohones a bit, old jazz sounded like old jazz (bad recordings)
I would say they are excellent for analyzing stuff, but might not be idea for listening to all varieties of music. I will try to audition the larger Tondas in due course.
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Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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September 1, 2020, 02:41 PM #21
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Great report, thanks. Seems like you prefer your Lansche 😊
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 02:46 PM #22
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
I looked into Lansche, with Nicoludio’s comment, and it seems your active speaker range is no more?
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 02:49 PM #23
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB, Esoteric N05xd
Mark Levinson #526, 534 & JBL 4367's
Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
Clarus Concerto & their Crimson cables
HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
SVS PC13 Ultra
Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
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September 1, 2020, 02:50 PM #24
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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September 1, 2020, 02:52 PM #25
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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September 1, 2020, 02:53 PM #26
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Ah. Ok. But I (assume) that the Lansche give you something more than your S3s and my assumption is bass?
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 02:55 PM #27
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
It can’t be the mids?!
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 03:04 PM #28
New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Where the Lansche 4.2 excels compared to the Magico S3 mk2s:
- the highs - the Corona tweeter is special. Extreme resolution (up to 150 kHz) w/o any harshness or sticking out. They produce really fast and airy highs.
- the bass - 4x 10” aluminum woofers powered by 2x 1200W, and reaching down to 15 Hz leaves little to desire in the low-end department.
- bi-amping - while the Soulution could drive everything without any problem, being relieved of the bass duties removes that impedance difference between the bass and mid/ high drivers, and gives the amp to operate more effortlessly (as a matter of fact also positive impact on the mids).
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Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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September 1, 2020, 03:10 PM #29
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September 1, 2020, 03:18 PM #30
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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September 1, 2020, 03:55 PM #31
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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September 1, 2020, 07:22 PM #32
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September 2, 2020, 04:16 AM #33
New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
This is interesting, what does the “designer criticism” say?
I mean, there are lots of “designers” who swear by it. Technically it is obvious, that having a single amp driving all drivers puts a strain on the amp. This is, as they have to bridge huge impedance differences between the drivers. Of course amps can do it, it’s just associated with loss in dynamics and fidelity.
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September 2, 2020, 12:23 PM #35
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
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September 2, 2020, 12:50 PM #36
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Michael Børresen:
“If you go DSP, you must go fully DSP, because you have a 12–14mS delay through the DSP processor, so using DSP for bass and bass room-adaption in a passive speaker system is for me out of the question.”
BTW, analog active circuitry also introduces delay, perhaps not as bad, but still a compromise. So you either do fully active or fully passive. No hybrid.
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September 2, 2020, 03:23 PM #37
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Firstly, Michael Borresen is known to design and produce prohibitively expensive speakers with tremendous bass issues. Pretty much the entire Raidho range was a bass disaster, literally impossible to control in-room. Therefore, I would not take his word for anything related to bass reproduction.
Secondly, not a first: no data, no facts, no science - just hearsay. Unfortunately, the comment is also a bit nonsensical in the sense that the Lansche speakers actually do not have any DSP. Maybe semi-knowledge here, more than understanding, quoting “designers” without a clear concept what those might be referring to. And interestingly enough, you are arguing that pretty much no sub can actually improve the sound.
Thirdly, there are, however, manufacturers producing some of the world’s best speaker systems, like e.g. the Living Voice Vox Olympian and Palladian, who demonstrate how well a powered bass can actually work. Have heard them in Munich, and they’re fantastic.
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
These are basic concepts, Michael Borresen did not invent any of this. If you don’t understand the concept of delay and how it relates to phase, I can’t help you.
BTW, subs are notoriously difficult to integrate, and that is precisely the reason. They do have the benefit of placement choice, which can help mitigate the issue. You do not have that in one fixed box.
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September 2, 2020, 03:49 PM #39
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Do understand, but don’t agree.
Also, you say analog circuitry also introduces delay, how are those different from any crossover? Then every crossover should introduce delay.
If it would be that simple, Borresen speakers would surely be perfect. Unfortunately they are far from it.
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September 2, 2020, 05:15 PM #40
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Have you ever listened to systems that have an active sub integrated in them? And which ones and where? There are many out there now. It's a growing trend.
And having owned about every Raidho speaker while Michael was there. The only way I could get the bass to work in my room was because of subs counter acting his bass.
That being said. Michael designed the Raidho speakers at a low volume level. So the extra bass he used was a loudness control. And it was great -- just not the volume that people in the USA listened to them. I still to this day love his work for low volume listening - basically background music.
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
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September 2, 2020, 06:05 PM #42
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Or maybe they do, but they just don't know it yet (aren't you auditioning new speakers )
But seriously, I have not yet heard such a setup that I liked, or should I say that the best bass performances I have heard are not form such systems. YMMV!
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the semi active models are not the best sellers i think
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September 2, 2020, 08:06 PM #45
Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Richard Vandersteen has successfully utilized active bass on his speakers for 40 years. I’ve had Apogee Duetta Signature, Aerial 10T, Magnepan 3.7, Revel Salon 2, Raidho D3 V2 and currently Vandersteen 7 Mk2 in my listening room. The bass was never truly right until I got the Vandersteen 7 Mk2 with its 11 band equalization and adjustable gain and Q curve.
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Re: New speakers: Magico M3 v Rockport Cygnus v YG Sonja 2.2 v Gryphon Pantheon
Doesn't the Vandersteen come with a line-level high-pass filter, which needs to be inserted in front of the main amplifier?
If so, that will make it (almost) a bi-amping active setup (smaller delay, if any, and much better integration). It is a completely different proposition.
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September 2, 2020, 09:42 PM #47
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September 2, 2020, 11:35 PM #48
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I’m confused. My point about a separately powered low-end was bi-amping. You didn’t seem to like that, now you do?
The Lansches also do have double 10” woofers and a 1200 W power section each with a high pass filter. Similar concept, works equally well.
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September 2, 2020, 11:42 PM #49
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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wasnt really speaking about AG.
are you skipping the lansches?
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