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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Joe you doing it the right way; making sure the product might be something you are interest in. However you should not have to then go through another investigation on what the actual MSRP is. That is part and parcel the problem. The price may very well be part of your initial research portion and should not be another process. In my view, especially with more unknown brands, they loose potential customers simply because of the work/process and may very well stick with brands they know.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    I was just reading this because I really like the SoundLab speakers. Then, I see it has segued into a convo about MSRP issues. While I agree with Randy and Calvin, I was wondering if anyone just simply emailed SoundLab and asked for a price list?
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    I was just reading this because I really like the SoundLab speakers. Then, I see it has segued into a convo about MSRP issues. While I agree with Randy and Calvin, I was wondering if anyone just simply emailed SoundLab and asked for a price list?
    Thanks. I haven’t gotten that far yet. I’m still investigating the speakers themselves. But will go that direction if and when the time comes. This said, Tom, who is a Sound Lab dealer, has been extremely helpful.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    I was just reading this because I really like the SoundLab speakers. Then, I see it has segued into a convo about MSRP issues. While I agree with Randy and Calvin, I was wondering if anyone just simply emailed SoundLab and asked for a price list?
    That would be a good next step. Hopefully they would provide one. Not all manufactures will.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    That would be a good next step. Hopefully they would provide one. Not all manufactures will.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    I've owned just 2 pairs of electrostatics - Quad and Martin Logan.

    A couple of years ago, I thought it time to upgrade from my 15+ year old Avantgarde Uno speakers to something more SOA. A friend I met though another forum invited me to listen to his Quad 2905 speakers and I visited expecting to hear a good sound but lacking in volume potential and a shortage of bass. I was proved very wrong on both counts. He likes to turn the volume to a level higher than I listen to and there was no shortage of bass. I was impressed enough to sniff out a used pair of 2905s that had been modified to 2912 spec by Quad, Huntingdon - mainly changing the transformers.

    I knew they would not be keepers as their location in the middle of my semi-circular room would be unacceptable as these "barn doors" would obstruct my view unacceptably. However they did sound very good.

    I looked around at other ELS speaker that may be more acceptable visually and, after reading reviews and auditioning in a London showroom, bought a pair of ML 13A Expressions - at double the price of new Quads. To say that I was disappointed is an understatement. They just didn’t perform and couldn't match my ancient Avantgardes for sound quality - even with Anthem room correction. They had to go, but I later established the reason they performed badly. These speakers project half their sound backwards (both the panel and the subs) so a rear wall is needed to salvage some of this sound. In my particular room this just doesn’t happen as the "rear wall" is in fact floor-to-ceiling glazing 12 ft behind one speaker and 15 ft behind the other - and at an angle. So why the ML speakers sounded so bad while the Quads sounded so good in the same location is still a mystery. Anyway, the MLs had to go. [Still for sale for any reader in UK!]

    So, my old AGs sounded better than brand new MLs! What to do? I happened to notice a pair of circa 2006 Duos for sale so grabbed these at a good price and sold the Unos. Good move. A year later with a totally unjustified itch to further upgrade, I bought a pair of new Avantgarde Duo XDs - a 3 generation “upgrade”. I'm still trying to get them to perform as well as I'm sure they can, but just now they are hard pressed to convince me there's a significant improvement over my old Duos. I'll get there in the end, but Avantgarde make it difficult. The speakers are undeniably (and unnecessarily) too tall for most people's listening position unless tilted forward, and the excellent XD room correction software is totally dependent on the listeners' ears and it’s a nightmare to make the myriad of adjustments for best sound. If only they included a calibrated microphone based measuring facility so owners could see immediately where adjustments should be made, this would make a huge difference and better sounds could be easily obtained.

    However, getting back to Martin Logan - if considering this brand, I'd suggest going for the hybrid range (11A, 13A, 15A etc) if you want plenty of bass. My 13As have twin 10" drivers in each speaker and the 15As have twin 12". They do need a rear wall (that's the one behind the speakers) between 2 and 6 feet behind to take advantage of the 50% sound being projected backwards. Then they will sound fantastic. The degree of detail is astonishing with no distortion or closed-in feeling one often gets from box speakers. I'd certainly have kept mine had I the right room. Most people do have the right room, but sadly mine just isn't.

    Would I go for ML speakers in favour of Quad? Probably not as the Quad 2912 is £8000 and the 13A is double that price and the 15As over 3 times. The MLs look a lot better but the Quads sound amazing - and remarkably good for a full-range ELS in the bass department, though perhaps not quite up to twin 10 or 12 inch drivers offered by ML. Certainly check out the Quads if your room will take these big ugly slabs without undue complaint.

    Or maybe go for these active full-range, tube-powered electrostatics. I've not yet heard them yet, but I'm hoping to when I'm next in the Netherlands! Peter
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    This said, I’m still researching Sound Lab. I’m studying the quality at present. If I discover a model I think I desire, then comes the pricing investigation.
    I've also been looking over their site. Along with no pricing (which I agree, is maddening), I'm having a hard time making heads or tails of what differentiates their product lines. Turns out there happens to be a Sound Lab dealer in northeast Ohio. I may have to call them to figure all this out. It really shouldn't be this hard.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I've owned just 2 pairs of electrostatics - Quad and Martin Logan.

    A couple of years ago, I thought it time to upgrade from my 15+ year old Avantgarde Uno speakers to something more SOA. A friend I met though another forum invited me to listen to his Quad 2905 speakers and I visited expecting to hear a good sound but lacking in volume potential and a shortage of bass. I was proved very wrong on both counts. He likes to turn the volume to a level higher than I listen to and there was no shortage of bass. I was impressed enough to sniff out a used pair of 2905s that had been modified to 2912 spec by Quad, Huntingdon - mainly changing the transformers.

    I knew they would not be keepers as their location in the middle of my semi-circular room would be unacceptable as these "barn doors" would obstruct my view unacceptably. However they did sound very good.

    I looked around at other ELS speaker that may be more acceptable visually and, after reading reviews and auditioning in a London showroom, bought a pair of ML 13A Expressions - at double the price of new Quads. To say that I was disappointed is an understatement. They just didn’t perform and couldn't match my ancient Avantgardes for sound quality - even with Anthem room correction. They had to go, but I later established the reason they performed badly. These speakers project half their sound backwards (both the panel and the subs) so a rear wall is needed to salvage some of this sound. In my particular room this just doesn’t happen as the "rear wall" is in fact floor-to-ceiling glazing 12 ft behind one speaker and 15 ft behind the other - and at an angle. So why the ML speakers sounded so bad while the Quads sounded so good in the same location is still a mystery. Anyway, the MLs had to go. [Still for sale for any reader in UK!]

    So, my old AGs sounded better than brand new MLs! What to do? I happened to notice a pair of circa 2006 Duos for sale so grabbed these at a good price and sold the Unos. Good move. A year later with a totally unjustified itch to further upgrade, I bought a pair of new Avantgarde Duo XDs - a 3 generation “upgrade”. I'm still trying to get them to perform as well as I'm sure they can, but just now they are hard pressed to convince me there's a significant improvement over my old Duos. I'll get there in the end, but Avantgarde make it difficult. The speakers are undeniably (and unnecessarily) too tall for most people's listening position unless tilted forward, and the excellent XD room correction software is totally dependent on the listeners' ears and it’s a nightmare to make the myriad of adjustments for best sound. If only they included a calibrated microphone based measuring facility so owners could see immediately where adjustments should be made, this would make a huge difference and better sounds could be easily obtained.

    However, getting back to Martin Logan - if considering this brand, I'd suggest going for the hybrid range (11A, 13A, 15A etc) if you want plenty of bass. My 13As have twin 10" drivers in each speaker and the 15As have twin 12". They do need a rear wall (that's the one behind the speakers) between 2 and 6 feet behind to take advantage of the 50% sound being projected backwards. Then they will sound fantastic. The degree of detail is astonishing with no distortion or closed-in feeling one often gets from box speakers. I'd certainly have kept mine had I the right room. Most people do have the right room, but sadly mine just isn't.

    Would I go for ML speakers in favour of Quad? Probably not as the Quad 2912 is £8000 and the 13A is double that price and the 15As over 3 times. The MLs look a lot better but the Quads sound amazing - and remarkably good for a full-range ELS in the bass department, though perhaps not quite up to twin 10 or 12 inch drivers offered by ML. Certainly check out the Quads if your room will take these big ugly slabs without undue complaint.

    Or maybe go for these active full-range, tube-powered electrostatics. I've not yet heard them yet, but I'm hoping to when I'm next in the Netherlands! Peter
    I discussed the quads with Mike. They may work in a different room for me, but probably don't need to be my main system seeing I also listen to some soft rock.

    Those tube speakers look beautiful to look at. But I'm not into tubes. Don't get me wrong they sound good, but for me personally they don't work. But those panels are beautiful.
    Sincerely,


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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by tino27 View Post
    I've also been looking over their site. Along with no pricing (which I agree, is maddening), I'm having a hard time making heads or tails of what differentiates their product lines. Turns out there happens to be a Sound Lab dealer in northeast Ohio. I may have to call them to figure all this out. It really shouldn't be this hard.
    From what I've been told, the different SL speakers are sonically the same, the differences being their different type frames (wood, metal [which is more rigid and increases cost]) and the size of their panels in the various models. The larger the room, the larger the panel, etc. Depending on the size of the room one may choose between a 90 vs 45 degree dispersion pattern.

    They don't even suggest using a sub unless you play a lot of rock or metal. There is essentially no sweet spot - you can be anywhere in the room and hear the full spectrum of sound...

    Again, the above is from what I've been told and not experienced. Hopefully in your call you can determine some other info.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    I discussed the quads with Mike. They may work in a different room for me, but probably don't need to be my main system seeing I also listen to some soft rock.

    Those tube speakers look beautiful to look at. But I'm not into tubes. Don't get me wrong they sound good, but for me personally they don't work. But those panels are beautiful.
    I'm of the same opinion. I've weaned myself off tubes after using them for 10 years or so. Now I listen to far more music, powered by SS and my TV is connected to my hifi, so much better sound without any valve hassle factor.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    From what I've been told, the different SL speakers are sonically the same, the differences being their different type frames (wood, metal [which is more rigid and increases cost]) and the size of their panels in the various models. The larger the room, the larger the panel, etc. Depending on the size of the room one may choose between a 90 vs 45 degree dispersion pattern.

    They don't even suggest using a sub unless you play a lot of rock or metal. There is essentially no sweet spot - you can be anywhere in the room and hear the full spectrum of sound...

    Again, the above is from what I've been told and not experienced. Hopefully in your call you can determine some other info.
    For optimal imaging, you still want to be in the sweet spot. But, moving anywhere in the room, or in the case of your open floor plan, any adjacent rooms, there is no loss of frequency response. This is due to the large size of the radiating membrane, which energies all the air in the room.The upper frequencies do not fall off sharply when you move off center as with many ML speakers. Additionally, measuring sound pressure with a meter, you will find very little difference in SPL from the back of the room to right up close to the panel.

    Being a full range, single driver speaker, down to 24hz (in the larger sizes) there is complete coherence, and no need to try to integrate a sub woofer, a much slower speaker with a completely different character. The mylar membrane weighing next to nothing with extremely low mass, starts and stops on a pin head.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I've owned just 2 pairs of electrostatics - Quad and Martin Logan.

    A couple of years ago, I thought it time to upgrade from my 15+ year old Avantgarde Uno speakers to something more SOA. A friend I met though another forum invited me to listen to his Quad 2905 speakers and I visited expecting to hear a good sound but lacking in volume potential and a shortage of bass. I was proved very wrong on both counts. He likes to turn the volume to a level higher than I listen to and there was no shortage of bass. I was impressed enough to sniff out a used pair of 2905s that had been modified to 2912 spec by Quad, Huntingdon - mainly changing the transformers.

    I knew they would not be keepers as their location in the middle of my semi-circular room would be unacceptable as these "barn doors" would obstruct my view unacceptably. However they did sound very good.

    I looked around at other ELS speaker that may be more acceptable visually and, after reading reviews and auditioning in a London showroom, bought a pair of ML 13A Expressions - at double the price of new Quads. To say that I was disappointed is an understatement. They just didn’t perform and couldn't match my ancient Avantgardes for sound quality - even with Anthem room correction. They had to go, but I later established the reason they performed badly. These speakers project half their sound backwards (both the panel and the subs) so a rear wall is needed to salvage some of this sound. In my particular room this just doesn’t happen as the "rear wall" is in fact floor-to-ceiling glazing 12 ft behind one speaker and 15 ft behind the other - and at an angle. So why the ML speakers sounded so bad while the Quads sounded so good in the same location is still a mystery. Anyway, the MLs had to go. [Still for sale for any reader in UK!]

    So, my old AGs sounded better than brand new MLs! What to do? I happened to notice a pair of circa 2006 Duos for sale so grabbed these at a good price and sold the Unos. Good move. A year later with a totally unjustified itch to further upgrade, I bought a pair of new Avantgarde Duo XDs - a 3 generation “upgrade”. I'm still trying to get them to perform as well as I'm sure they can, but just now they are hard pressed to convince me there's a significant improvement over my old Duos. I'll get there in the end, but Avantgarde make it difficult. The speakers are undeniably (and unnecessarily) too tall for most people's listening position unless tilted forward, and the excellent XD room correction software is totally dependent on the listeners' ears and it’s a nightmare to make the myriad of adjustments for best sound. If only they included a calibrated microphone based measuring facility so owners could see immediately where adjustments should be made, this would make a huge difference and better sounds could be easily obtained.

    However, getting back to Martin Logan - if considering this brand, I'd suggest going for the hybrid range (11A, 13A, 15A etc) if you want plenty of bass. My 13As have twin 10" drivers in each speaker and the 15As have twin 12". They do need a rear wall (that's the one behind the speakers) between 2 and 6 feet behind to take advantage of the 50% sound being projected backwards. Then they will sound fantastic. The degree of detail is astonishing with no distortion or closed-in feeling one often gets from box speakers. I'd certainly have kept mine had I the right room. Most people do have the right room, but sadly mine just isn't.

    Would I go for ML speakers in favour of Quad? Probably not as the Quad 2912 is £8000 and the 13A is double that price and the 15As over 3 times. The MLs look a lot better but the Quads sound amazing - and remarkably good for a full-range ELS in the bass department, though perhaps not quite up to twin 10 or 12 inch drivers offered by ML. Certainly check out the Quads if your room will take these big ugly slabs without undue complaint.

    Or maybe go for these active full-range, tube-powered electrostatics. I've not yet heard them yet, but I'm hoping to when I'm next in the Netherlands! Peter
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Hi Tom, just curious if you feel air movement with SL with them being full range? ML are the only electrostats I've had in my room and I couldn't get over the fact I couldn't feel the music, I kept trying to turn up the volume to no avail, LOL They did sound good and maybe I'd adjust in time, but, maybe not.

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    For optimal imaging, you still want to be in the sweet spot. But, moving anywhere in the room, or in the case of your open floor plan, any adjacent rooms, there is no loss of frequency response. This is due to the large size of the radiating membrane, which energies all the air in the room.The upper frequencies do not fall off sharply when you move off center as with many ML speakers. Additionally, measuring sound pressure with a meter, you will find very little difference in SPL from the back of the room to right up close to the panel.

    Being a full range, single driver speaker, down to 24hz (in the larger sizes) there is complete coherence, and no need to try to integrate a sub woofer, a much slower speaker with a completely different character. The mylar membrane weighing next to nothing with extremely low mass, starts and stops on a pin head.
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    "Hi Tom, just curious if you feel air movement with SL with them being full range? ML are the only electrostats I've had in my room and I couldn't get over the fact I couldn't feel the music,"


    If you mean like a breeze, no! But, the sound is full bodied from top to bottom, with a rich mid bass, lots of "meat on the bone." This of course assumes they are being driven by an appropriate amp, of which there are many. Personally, I love my Pass Labs, although the XA-60.8s I am currently using with my Ultimate -1PXs really aren't quite powerful enough. I plan to move up to the XA-160.8s soon. The smaller Ultimate-545s are less efficient but driven extremely well by the 260 watt Pass Lab X-260.8s. I can easily play both louder than I really desire, with great dynamics. They also do well at low volumes.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    An excellent review from 2014. The SOTA at that time did not include Bass-Focus which has added to the bottom end significantly:

    http://www.soundlabspeakers.com/wp-c...M-May-2014.pdf
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    I have been in contact with Dr. Roger West of Sound Labs on the topic of publishing prices. He prefers not to do so, giving those who are seriously interested a reason to contact a dealer. If you are interested in one of the finest speakers available today, price should not be the most important factor. That said, I believe Sound Labs to be a relative bargain considering the prices of what many consider to be the best.

    If you wish to have a price list, please send me a request via a PM.

    Thanks,
    Tom
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    I have been in contact with Dr. Roger West of Sound Labs on the topic of publishing prices. He prefers not to do so, giving those who are seriously interested a reason to contact a dealer. If you are interested in one of the finest speakers available today, price should not be the most important factor. That said, I believe Sound Labs to be a relative bargain considering the prices of what many consider to be the best.

    If you wish to have a price list, please send me a request via a PM.

    Thanks,
    Tom
    It's lovely to live in a world where price isn't the first consideration, and perhaps for a large percentage of his customers, that is true. Personally, I don't feel comfortable interacting with a dealer knowing none of the prices. I feel like I would be wasting his or her time if it turned out that the products were priced way outside my budget.

    However, his company, his rules.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by tino27 View Post
    It's lovely to live in a world where price isn't the first consideration, and perhaps for a large percentage of his customers, that is true. Personally, I don't feel comfortable interacting with a dealer knowing none of the prices. I feel like I would be wasting his or her time if it turned out that the products were priced way outside my budget.

    However, his company, his rules.
    Several days ago, I alerted Dr. West to the discussion in this thread about companies, including Sound Lab, not posting their prices on their Websites. He stated his reasons for not doing so, but just in the last few moments I have received an email from Roger stating that, after much discussion, they have revised their policy and will post prices on their website as soon as their webmaster can do so. My thanks to all who spoke up!
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    Lumin A1 Network Music Player
    Skywire balanced IC's, Teo liquid speaker cables
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    Several days ago, I alerted Dr. West to the discussion in this thread about companies, including Sound Lab, not posting their prices on their Websites. He stated his reasons for not doing so, but just in the last few moments I have received an email from Roger stating that, after much discussion, they have revised their policy and will post prices on their website as soon as their webmaster can do so. My thanks to all who spoke up!
    This is fantastic. Transparency is good IMO. Thanks Tom.
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    I’m not sure how many people do this but as I look at gear on websites, I kind of look for prices of the models that I can afford. Maybe I’ll try and squeeze out one model above my target price.

    I love to know the price range of the gear I’m looking at buying.
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    Re: Martin Logan CLX ART and other Electrostatics

    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    I have been in contact with Dr. Roger West of Sound Labs on the topic of publishing prices. He prefers not to do so, giving those who are seriously interested a reason to contact a dealer. If you are interested in one of the finest speakers available today, price should not be the most important factor. That said, I believe Sound Labs to be a relative bargain considering the prices of what many consider to be the best.

    If you wish to have a price list, please send me a request via a PM.

    Thanks,
    Tom
    I think it's right that manufacturers (and distributors for that matter) do not show prices on their sites if they have a dealer network to handle sales to potential buyers. However List Prices should be available if requested, if only to check that dealers are not over stating List prices.

    If the manufacturer or distributor sells direct, then of course prices should be shown

    Dealers such as yours can show prices on your own site of course as you are the guys selling the stuff, and visitors to your site need this information, in the same way that the customer who comes though the door of your store needs prices.

    Personally, I'm more inclined to contact dealers who do show prices on their websites, even if these are just List prices.
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