Kaiser Kawero or Raidho D3 or Vivid Giya G2?

**Mike** · June 18, 2014, 10:25 PM

I would love to hear those Alvin. The new ML's look phenomenal. Hopefully Myles will get a pair.

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**elegy** · June 18, 2014, 11:53 PM

Just like Ozarktom and others I simply love the speaker. Others on this forum love other brands as well and are passionate about their virtues - that does does not mean that they have a financial interest in those brands. We're an opinionated bunch but it's all part of the fun....Would you accuse a Wilson or Magico advocate on this forum of having an interest? Ozarktom, how do you find the Sony? Did you compare with other streamers as well?

Cheers...

**Mike** · June 18, 2014, 11:57 PM

That's fine Elegy...just want to make sure there isn't any disclosure required. As for Zellatons - I look forward to a more serious listen sometime soon.

**Audiocrazy** · June 19, 2014, 08:25 PM

Any love or experience with the new line of Kharma's... especially the exquisite line with in-house diamond tweeters and carbon composite drivers? Many owners claim they are not that accurate but very musical speakers.

Any current owners or people with experience on their new range?

Alvin

**KeithR** · June 19, 2014, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by elegy

The comparison of a reference speaker like Zellaton to pleasing Sonus Faber Italian furniture is, in my humble opinion, way off the mark

These are completely different speakers and share no resemblance whatsoever. Zellaton got best of show at Munich from TAS this year (both Harley and Valin who preferred over Raidho, Magico, YG, Wilson etc…), and selected Zellaton as most coveted speaker etc... This is the only speaker in 25 years that have equaled, and in many ways surpassed my Quad 57's. They play louder and more coherently than any speaker I ever heard. In fact, as you turn up the volume they have zero compression - just pure musicality and control. Alvin, if you listen to Zellaton I'm afraid everything else will be unlistenable. They are a true music lover's speaker.

Honestly, a Valin and Harley rave would make me run from a speaker. Sorry.

**Perfect Sense** · June 20, 2014, 05:00 AM

There are a lot of brands mentioned in this thread. I don't really know where to begin, but I do carry Wilson, Magico, Raidho and soon - Kaiser amongst others.

The Kaiser rooms in Munich recently belonged to my top 5 among the "real world" contenders.

Nola might be a contender as well if you truly want to set your music free (open baffle, ribbon tweeter

The Crystal Cable Arabesque series are up there with the best as well. The Minissimo monitor is a killer.

If going for high-efficiency in a modern, high-performance speaker - have a look at Stenheim.

I'm carrying all of the above, which means I might be considered biased. I should be able to give you some insights and advice though regarding the individual characteristics of the different brands.

**Audiocrazy** · June 20, 2014, 07:50 AM

Hello Sir,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us and it's great to know that you are carrying so many popular brands under one roof. I believe it provides people with a rare opportunity to experience and seriously audition their favourite brands and compare against each other.

In your opinion what would be your best pick for jazz and classical listening? Never heard of Stenheim until now but looks very interesting as well.

Crystal cable arabesque is also on my short list for auditions unfortunately there's no way I can compare them with either Raidho's and Magico in one setting. Can I have your general opinion how crystal cable stacks up with the mentioned brands.

Alvin

**ozarktom** · June 20, 2014, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by KeithR

Honestly, a Valin and Harley rave would make me run from a speaker. Sorry.

Too bad if you overlook these Zellatons because of a TAS review. These speakers are very special in sonics. In the last 40 years, these are the best I have ever heard. Very few companies out there actually hand make all of their drivers like Zellaton does. The Zellagons are very neutral, but very musical and transparent at the same time.

**ozarktom** · June 20, 2014, 09:31 PM

If I could go this year Mike, I would meet you at the Zellaton room at RMAF. I am sure they will be there. Too bad so many audio shows keep popping up, these companies cannot afford to go to all of them. Now Munich is the Number One show, we need to have RMAF regain that status. If RMAF had two days for the audio dealers, two days for potential customers like us, RMAF could regain that status. And Munich allows families to attend, while none of the bigger USA audio shows do.

So it is amazing that Zellaton made it number 1 in the last two years in Munich with all of the many companies attending.

**Mike** · June 20, 2014, 10:01 PM

Sure! I look forward to giving them a good listen. I did hear them at CES - twice - and like I said - they were nice, but not something I would take over quite a few other speakers. But I will give them a real good listen next time.

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**Paul** · June 20, 2014, 10:31 PM

One thing I don't rave about is" best review "or "best of show stuff". Do you guys really care about this ? aren't they all paid for ?

**Mike** · June 20, 2014, 10:43 PM

Directly or indirectly Paul....that may often be the case.

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**ozarktom** · June 20, 2014, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

One thing I don't rave about is" best review "or "best of show stuff". Do you guys really care about this ? aren't they all paid for ?

No, nothing is paid for but there has been a lot of politics over the years. Look at all the raves Wilson gets. Wilson had it in the 80's, and they still get it today.

**Paul** · June 20, 2014, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by ozarktom

No, nothing is paid for but there has been a lot of politics over the years. Look at all the raves Wilson gets. Wilson had it in the 80's, and they still get it today.

Two of my friends are reviewers and that's not what I heard so can't comment on your post.

**NorthStar** · June 20, 2014, 11:45 PM

I would.

**Paul** · June 21, 2014, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by NorthStar

I would.

Be my guest.

**NorthStar** · June 21, 2014, 02:18 AM

...If I could. No direct experience; I can't.

**sharkmouth** · June 21, 2014, 03:14 AM

Same as it ever was......

**socfan12** · June 21, 2014, 06:19 AM

At the end of the day, people should buy with their own ears. Rave reviews from reviewers, dealers, family or friends, may be take in as input but ultimately trust your own ears and your reaction to what's being heard.

**ozarktom** · June 21, 2014, 09:57 AM

So is that the reason Audio Research, Krell, Martin Logan, Wilson, Vandersteen and a few others has remained at the top for the last 30+ years? They paid for all of their rave reviews?

Nobody has paid me for the Zellaton comments here. But if you ever get tired of trading speakers, then try the Zellatons. If you are still dead set against trying Zellatons, then buy the Kaiser Kaweros. You are at least getting the second best out there in the audio world.

Four years ago, many of the Europeans were trading in their MBL's for the Kaweros and has never looked back.

**Mike** · June 21, 2014, 10:56 AM

I have to hear these two brands. I don't recall ever hearing the Kaiser Kawero's. Were they at CES?

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**Paul** · June 21, 2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by ozarktom

So is that the reason Audio Research, Krell, Martin Logan, Wilson, Vandersteen and a few others has remained at the top for the last 30+ years? They paid for all of their rave reviews?

Nobody has paid me for the Zellaton comments here. But if you ever get tired of trading speakers, then try the Zellatons. If you are still dead set against trying Zellatons, then buy the Kaiser Kaweros. You are at least getting the second best out there in the audio world.

Four years ago, many of the Europeans were trading in their MBL's for the Kaweros and has never looked back.

Are you the dealer ?

**ozarktom** · June 21, 2014, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Are you the dealer ?

Not a dealer. I live in the Ozarks. No one here owns MBL's or Kaweros. And no Europeans are ever buying Kaweros from anybody here in the states. I am pretty sure it is a German company.

I did a review of the RMAF in 2010 saying the Kaweros were the best at the show on Audiocircle. There was a response from several of the Europeans saying that they had been trading their MBL's in on the Kaweros and was very happy.

if Zellaton was there that year, I missed the room. Zellaton Grands is still slightly better at a much better price.

Here is a review on the Kaweros at $65K. I know for sure this was not paid for.

Kaiser Acoustics Kawero Loudspeakers

**sharkmouth** · June 21, 2014, 07:52 PM

It's alright, we all have different tastes.

**Audiocrazy** · June 21, 2014, 09:20 PM

Hi Ozar,

Thanks for your lovely insight into the Kawero's. I do know its a wonderful speaker and its pretty under-rated in the audiophile arena.....however they are quickly gaining fans and people who properly listen to it to fall in love.....

I am not sure if you had the rumours but I heard from few sources that Kaisers are 'secretly' building a new flagship to rival major players in the market! It could be true.

Anyways my shortlist of speaker auditions is gradually shrinking which is a good think as I am getting somewhere now. On top of my shortlist includes some serious listening with Kaisers Kaweros, Raidho D3, Zellation, Yg Hailey's and Kharma exquisite range.

Hey Mike, if you do get an opportunity you should listen to Kaisers and Zellation's as I would love to hear your impressions and how it compares to you past and current systems.

Alvin

**Mike** · June 21, 2014, 09:33 PM

Alvin - I definitely look forward to hearing them both. Hopefully RMAF will provide that opportunity.

Mike

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**Audiocrazy** · June 22, 2014, 12:37 AM

For those who love reading techie stuff and about the materials employed for speaker building, this is an interesting read.

The Virtues of Panzerholz : An Investigation into the Acoustical Properties of Aluminum and Panzerholz

Panzerholz or simply German tankwood used 100% in the construction of Kaiser cabinets. However this does not necessarily conclude that using this material will make the sound more superior to what is currently out there!

Alvin

**Mike** · June 22, 2014, 07:47 AM

Alvin - interesting read. I've been reading a lot about designs and materials lately. Panzerholz looks like a good product for cabinets. Of course, I'm experimenting with a slightly different idea: the best cabinet is no cabinet. All cone and dome speakers have some degree of cabinet resonance - similar to cupping your hands, putting them a few inches in front of your face, and talking. Once you learn to recognize it in any cone and dome speaker, it can become an annoyance - UNLESS - it is minimized by the cabinet design and materials, sort of like "tuning" the cabinet to essentially resonate as part of the overall sound of the speaker. Harbeth does this well. I've always found the Sonus Faber Stradivari speakers unique design to handle resonances well. But those are few and far between.

That being said, I still need to live with a point source, open baffle design for a while before truly understanding it's benefits and weaknesses.

**Audiocrazy** · June 23, 2014, 10:28 PM

Hi Mike,

I am in the same 'boat' as you are and would love to try few unconventional concepts that different companies are now trying with their design approach. I'm curious about the Goebel Loudspeakers - especially their bending wave tweeters - Have you heard them at any of the shows?

Welcome to GÖBEL - Revolutionary Bending Wave Technology

Anyone else who has experienced Goebel speakers and how they compare with the Raidho's or even Zellation's?

Alvin

**Mike** · June 23, 2014, 10:35 PM

Alvin - the Goebel speakers look very interesting. Would love to hear them.

**Perfect Sense** · June 24, 2014, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Audiocrazy

Hello Sir,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us and it's great to know that you are carrying so many popular brands under one roof. I believe it provides people with a rare opportunity to experience and seriously audition their favourite brands and compare against each other.

In your opinion what would be your best pick for jazz and classical listening? Never heard of Stenheim until now but looks very interesting as well.

Crystal cable arabesque is also on my short list for auditions unfortunately there's no way I can compare them with either Raidho's and Magico in one setting. Can I have your general opinion how crystal cable stacks up with the mentioned brands.

Alvin

Well, on this elevated level it usually comes down to personal preference, as there are few bad apples.

I listen to a lot of acoustical music incl. sing and songwriters in general myself, which means that the handling of unamplified instruments and voices are crucial. Based on these premises, I do hold Nola in general very high. I'm breaking in a pair of Metro Grand Reference Gold at the moment, which I believe are one of the most musical speakers I've ever experienced in a known environment. The timbre/tone colour is as natural as it gets, where the open baffle for the midrange and ribbon tweeter opens up a soundfield that's more or less free from colouration and boxiness.

Stenheim Alumine is somewhat lightweight in overall character in comparison, and perhaps more revealing (but never analytical or over the top). The build quality is amazingly precise.

Raidho are rather unique in being quite sweet (as in never sharp or edgy) and at the same time extremely transparent speakers that throws a huge soundstage. Very easy to enjoy. They are a challenge to mate and setup well though, which you need to take into consideration (make sure the dealer has done their homework).

I'm waiting for the Kaiser Chiara monitor to arrive, as well as the Crystal Cable Minissimo. I would like to come back to those when I've got to know them better.

I would like to mention Diapason from Italy as well. These are not "up there" among the usual suspects, but the emotional connection you get with the Adamantes and Asterra monitors are world-class in its own right imo.

**Audiocrazy** · June 29, 2014, 04:24 AM

Thanks for your brief feedback and highlighting your experience with some of the key brands. I am eager to hear about your impressions on the monitors once they arrive on your 'doorsteps'...

**Audiocrazy** · June 29, 2014, 04:29 AM

I am keen on listening to some Rockports...... Any current owners or people who have these on their shortlist or maybe someone with enough experience to make some comments compared to other popular brands. I would love to hear some impressions...

Thanks
Alvin

**Perfect Sense** · June 29, 2014, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by Audiocrazy

Thanks for your brief feedback and highlighting your experience with some of the key brands. I am eager to hear about your impressions on the monitors once they arrive on your 'doorsteps'...

I'll keep you posted

**Audiocrazy** · July 10, 2014, 09:35 PM

Hi

Thought to update you guys on my current status with speaker search. Due to changing circumstances and priorities I will probably end up with good stand-mounts for now. I have narrowed down to Kaiser Acoustics Chiara, Crystal Cable mini's( also have to audition the new Minissimo's), Raidho D1, SF Guarneri Evolution.

So what do you guys think of the above list?

Alvin

**the professor** · July 10, 2014, 10:08 PM

The D1s are outstanding.

**Mike** · July 10, 2014, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

The D1s are outstanding.

+1. If you need a stand mount - Raidho D1's all the way.

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**Audiocrazy** · July 11, 2014, 02:27 AM

Hi Mike,

Any ETA on your Spatial's? I am really curious to know how they will sound.

Alvin

**Perfect Sense** · July 11, 2014, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Audiocrazy

Hi

Thought to update you guys on my current status with speaker search. Due to changing circumstances and priorities I will probably end up with good stand-mounts for now. I have narrowed down to Kaiser Acoustics Chiara, Crystal Cable mini's( also have to audition the new Minissimo's), Raidho D1, SF Guarneri Evolution.

So what do you guys think of the above list?

Alvin

These are all world-class speakers. The Raidho D-1 is indeed amazing with a lot of admirers in this forum, but it needs careful setup including the right choice of electronics, cabling etc. as well as enough room to breathe where the distance to the back wall is critical imo.

**Mike** · July 11, 2014, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Audiocrazy

Hi Mike,

Any ETA on your Spatial's? I am really curious to know how they will sound.

Alvin

Probably another 2-3 weeks. I'm as anxious as you! They will be showing them at RMAF this year. When I do get them, you're welcome to come and hear them. My CARY 300b amps are being made too. With some upgraded tubes, the VAC preamp, should be a great pairing.

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**Design Audio Video** · July 11, 2014, 12:47 PM

Sorry guys, but I have to disagree about set up, cabling and electronics being difficult for Raidho speakers. I have now tried approximately eight different brands of separates with three different brands of integrated and some of them being in the low price range category. I know of it at least five different brands then I use that other people have had success with. I have also used about six different major cable manufacturers with excellent results. As for the set up, it is not difficult it is just a little different than most speakers. Once you learn how to set up a Raidho speaker it can be done in less than 15 minutes. The Raidho speakers are very revealing and high resolution. Because of this you can hear the flavor of different electronics and cables probably more so than any other speaker. But every brand that I have used has sounded very good. Some better than others. And definitely my favorite would be Constellation and soulution. But what speaker wouldn't benefit from electronics of that level. The majority of the speakers we talk about on this forum should have careful consideration of cabling and electronics. So to me, Raidho is no different than any other high-end speaker. Some you can just throw in and make work with any amplifier and cable combination but why would you want to invest that kind of money and not take careful consideration with components and cables to get the best possible sound out of those speakers. When Sonus Faber come to set up my Amati Futura'd they spent over two hours tweaking on the speaker positioning. But the end result you would have to have a tape measure to see that they had even been moved an inch. It took all of about 10 minutes to position my D5.

**MDP** · July 11, 2014, 01:14 PM

Thanks David.
I agree about the D3's not being that hard to set up, my Salon 2's took a lot longer to get positioned right. And I have also used some lower priced integrates with great results.

**Perfect Sense** · December 7, 2014, 04:34 PM

The Kaiser Chiaras are here... A revelation. More to come

**socfan12** · December 7, 2014, 06:14 PM

Looking forward to hearing more, Marcus!

**Rhapsody** · December 7, 2014, 06:50 PM

The Kaiser Kaweros will be here this week and the Chiaras will be here either later this week or next week as well.

**socfan12** · December 7, 2014, 10:39 PM

Great to see you posting again, Bob! Would love to hear them one day!

**Rhapsody** · December 8, 2014, 07:37 AM

Allen, will let you know when they are installed....come on over for a listen.

**wisnon** · December 8, 2014, 07:54 AM

Hi Bob,

Hope you are doing well.

I heard the Chiaras in Warsaw at the Show. Very nice.
Regards

**Rhapsody** · December 8, 2014, 09:24 AM

Hi Norman,

Thx and hope you are well as well

Have a happy holiday season over there.

Yes we are excited to get the Chiaras and the Kaweros. We actually have three pairs of Kaweros on the way or in the process of being built. One pair has the lacquer finish which takes 12 weeks to cure. Two pairs are going to new homes and then our demo pair along with the demo Chiaras.

They will all be here the next time you visit! Be well.

**wisnon** · December 8, 2014, 11:06 AM

Excellent!

Happy holidays to you too.

Next Summer for sure...maybe before if I have some business travelk in the area. Airfares have gone crazy, BTW. Unbelieveable since oil prices are plummeting. Can we say price gouging? LoL

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