Joe's next speakers

**Anatta** · May 15, 2014, 03:58 AM

They sure would look sweet with your golden CJs between them.

Sonus Faber Stradivari Palladio DONE!

http://audioshark.org/sonus-faber-80...l#.U3SIxyhNqXM

**Bobvin** · May 15, 2014, 10:26 AM

+1 for Avalon. I found them to be very musical, and when I went to Sashas at first there was a little of the musicality that I missed, but the Sashas were superior to my "entry" level Ascendents. Mated with ARC Ref3/Ref110, they created an AMAZING 3D sound field. Certainly worthy of audition.

**soundqcar** · May 15, 2014, 11:51 AM

I'll throw the Acoustic Zen Crescendo II into the ring...

Has sounded marvelous every time I've heard it.

**-E-** · May 15, 2014, 02:27 PM

Just caught up on this thread...

Joe - why is weight an issue with Focal but not with other ones mentioned here? Seems that is the only one you singled out...

**still-one** · May 15, 2014, 02:32 PM

If you are looking at Sonus Faber how about the new mini Aida the Lilum?

Lilium Sonus faber - YouTube

**joeinid** · May 15, 2014, 02:53 PM

Because I know they can be 300-400 lbs each for the ones that I'd consider. I'd like to keep the size reasonable. Something that would not need 4 people to set up or move

Originally Posted by -E-

Just caught up on this thread...

Joe - why is weight an issue with Focal but not with other ones mentioned here? Seems that is the only one you singled out...

**joeinid** · May 15, 2014, 02:54 PM

Now that the Munich show is on, there seems to be more choices.

**-E-** · May 15, 2014, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Because I know they can be 300-400 lbs each for the ones that I'd consider. I'd like to keep the size reasonable. Something that would not need 4 people to set up or move

Stella may be around 350-ish, but Maestro is only 250... in the same range as many of these others.

**highEndguy** · May 15, 2014, 07:19 PM

Love your avatar, are you coming out from the dark side (Mc) ?

**joeinid** · May 15, 2014, 07:29 PM

YES !!!

I am SERIOUSLY thinking about that little baby.

I am just waiting to see if KT-150's will be their new tube in case they need to make any changes.

Originally Posted by highEndguy

Love your avatar, are you coming out from the dark side (Mc) ?

**annapolis Raider** · May 15, 2014, 08:03 PM

Joe, I think you just need a little prep for throwing the focals around.... you can come over my house and help me move mine

**joeinid** · May 15, 2014, 08:16 PM

Ha! Deal! I'll start pumping some iron.

**Audioseduction** · May 15, 2014, 09:13 PM

Joe, your next pair of speakers!

Martin Logan Neolith

**joeinid** · May 15, 2014, 09:22 PM

**jax4736** · May 16, 2014, 10:04 PM

What's the MSRP?

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**joeinid** · May 16, 2014, 10:18 PM

I've read $50K, but that's out of my budget

Originally Posted by jax4736

What's the MSRP?

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**Jack** · May 16, 2014, 10:37 PM

Just take it slow and go listen. You have to live with them not us. You have a great pair of speakers coming in soon, so get a feel for what they can do with all of your amps and then decide on a compliment. Should take you until the end of the year at least to find what you are looking for and can live with. Musical enjoyment first, cost and reputation from reviewers second. Also your room will dictate a lot of it. We all have our opinions of what sounds good to us, but only yours counts.

**joeinid** · May 16, 2014, 10:46 PM

Thanks Jack. You are 100% right. I actually think I am going to LOVE the 40.1's. Hopefully 2-3 more weeks. They will be the anti-TADs

. I think they will fill up my room nicely and give me the midrange and top end that I am looking forward to hearing. I am in no rush and now with all the new gear coming out, it will give me more options.

Originally Posted by Jack

Just take it slow and go listen. You have to live with them not us. You have a great pair of speakers coming in soon, so get a feel for what they can do with all of your amps and then decide on a compliment. Should take you until the end of the year at least to find what you are looking for and can live with. Musical enjoyment first, cost and reputation from reviewers second. Also your room will dictate a lot of it. We all have our opinions of what sounds good to us, but only yours counts.

**NorthStar** · May 16, 2014, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I've read $50K, but that's out of my budget

Ha!

**Jack** · May 16, 2014, 11:30 PM

Joe

I think you will like the Harbeths too. Just for fun you might still want to take a "day trip" to Amherst and visit Bob Neil, if for nothing else but to talk speakers. He went from Spendor to Harbeth and then to Reynaud/Audio Note and then became the Reynaud North American distributor. As Myles can tell you, Bob has a good ear and knows what he likes reputation or cost aside. A day listening to what he has "in-house" might make you see where you want to go next. If you find you "LOVE" the Harbeth sound, then your next step will definitely not be to the Magico, Raidho, Wilson side of the line. It will be something in the middle like the SF's, Vandersteens or back to the Revel's. Whatever it is, enjoy the journey and listen first and spend/buy second.

**KeithR** · May 17, 2014, 04:00 PM

Taking a bit different route- based on your room and penchant for low level listening, you need a very efficient speaker with simple crossover. A few I would look at are the Devore O96s, Zu Definitions, Vapor, and the Voxativ of course. Perhaps Evo Acoustic as well.

I find the Tannoys pretty colored in a vintage fashion fwiw.

**Jerome W** · May 17, 2014, 04:49 PM

Joe : if you really LISTEN to the 40.1, you won't need anything else.

Originally Posted by joeinid

Wow! Can I play?

I do have Harbeth 40.1's coming in a few weeks but those will not be a final destination speaker. I don't plan on selling them so any other speaker will be in addition to the 40.1's and Cornwalls, which by the way are fabulous.

**joeinid** · May 17, 2014, 05:06 PM

I believe you!

Thanks Jerome. I can't wait.

Originally Posted by Jerome W

Joe : if you really LISTEN to the 40.1, you won't need anything else.

**Dpod4** · May 17, 2014, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

Btw

Go to Myles and listen. You will sell your turntable once you hear the tapes!!!!!

I am lagging severely here...Joe got a TT??

**dlb2** · May 17, 2014, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I am lagging severely here...Joe got a TT??

Rumor has it, yes.

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**NorthStar** · May 17, 2014, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I am lagging severely here...Joe got a TT??

He has at least one album (LP), that's fo sur.

**Dpod4** · May 17, 2014, 08:45 PM

I have been lighting prayer candles weekly hoping Joe would see the light and spin the vinyl.

**Mike** · May 17, 2014, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I have been lighting prayer candles weekly hoping Joe would see the light and spin the vinyl.

+10000000

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**joeinid** · May 17, 2014, 10:37 PM

It's somewhere around here

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I am lagging severely here...Joe got a TT??

**joeinid** · May 17, 2014, 10:38 PM

Ha! Too funny Darrin. Pretty soon I'll do the right thing.

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I have been lighting prayer candles weekly hoping Joe would see the light and spin the vinyl.

**Dpod4** · May 17, 2014, 10:47 PM

I am going to sell one of my tables - probably the AMG

**joeinid** · May 17, 2014, 11:24 PM

That's a beautiful table. Certainly one that I'd love to own someday. Only problem is I need to get my current one broken in

Originally Posted by Dpod4

I am going to sell one of my tables - probably the AMG

**Toobs** · May 21, 2014, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

That's a beautiful table. Certainly one that I'd love to own someday. Only problem is I need to get my current one broken in

Joe
Nice avatar, but just think how nice they would be if they were in your room and you were listening to them

**NorthStar** · May 21, 2014, 05:10 PM

Bob has a good point there Joe.

**joeinid** · May 21, 2014, 06:14 PM

I agree, but all in due time

Originally Posted by Toobs

Joe
Nice avatar, but just think how nice they would be if they were in your room and you were listening to them

Originally Posted by NorthStar

Bob has a good point there Joe.

**ozarktom** · May 25, 2014, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by socfan12

Ha!

I also say Strads. You won't rest until you have them for some time.

If I had to write in an alternate, I would say the Zellaton Emotions. They would fit great in your room and your Job amps would drive them easily!

Yes, Zellatons. JV of The Absolute Sound voted these as the best at Munich this year.

My Emotions are incredible.

JV's Munich High End 2014 Show Report | The Absolute Sound

**socfan12** · May 25, 2014, 09:30 PM

Yes, I saw that. Harley was a big fan as well.

Having just took delivery of some CH gear, I have to think a good portion of the exquisite sound at Audio Arts is contributed by the Zellatons.

ozarktom, did you buy your Emotions from Audio Arts?

**cmalak** · May 25, 2014, 09:36 PM

Yes...except the Zellatons that JV and RH were cooing about in Munich are the Zellaton Reference loudspeakers which cost $99,750...not sure what the Emotions go for but hopefully not $100K

Joe...those Harbeth 40.1s are looking mighty good to me too

**joeinid** · May 25, 2014, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by cmalak

Yes...except the Zellatons that JV and RH were cooing about in Munich are the Zellaton Reference loudspeakers which cost $99,750...not sure what the Emotions go for but hopefully not $100K

Joe...those Harbeth 40.1s are looking mighty good to me too

With these prices, me too! Wow! Hopefully another week or two until I get them. I'm so looking forward to hearing them in my room.

**tunes** · May 25, 2014, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

That's a beautiful table. Certainly one that I'd love to own someday. Only problem is I need to get my current one broken in

I am going to sell one of my tables - probably the AMG

The amg is a great table! If that is going, you must have some pretty spectacular alternates

**ozarktom** · May 26, 2014, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by cmalak

Yes...except the Zellatons that JV and RH were cooing about in Munich are the Zellaton Reference loudspeakers which cost $99,750...not sure what the Emotions go for but hopefully not $100K

Joe...those Harbeth 40.1s are looking mighty good to me too

All models of the Zellaton line uses the same type of handmade drivers, so they all have the same characteristics. Transparency and speed of these speakers are like no other. Even the Harbeth distributor, Fidelis, now sells Zellatons.

I got mine from Audio Arts, but I had to settle with the poor man's version of the Goldmund/Ch Precision amp. The Job 225 is incredible on the Zellaton's.

**ozarktom** · May 26, 2014, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Bob,

My room is L-shaped. It's essentially 14x15 with a 7x9 add-on. That gives me a 21' wall on the long side but can't use 5-6 feet of it. Room volume is actually pretty good and I don't seem to have any room issues, at least nothing obvious.

The Zellaton Emotions would work perfectly in a room that size. My room is 16x22.

**joeinid** · May 26, 2014, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by ozarktom

All models of the Zellaton line uses the same type of handmade drivers, so they all have the same characteristics. Emotions are $24,500. Transparency and speed of these speakers are like no other. Even the Harbeth distributor, Fidelis, now sells Zellatons.

I got mine from Audio Arts, but I had to settle with the poor man's version of the Goldmund/Ch Precision amp. The Job 225 is incredible on the Zellaton's.

Originally Posted by ozarktom

The Zellaton Emotions would work perfectly in a room that size. My room is 16x22.

Hi Tom,

Wow!!!! Using the Job on the Emotions, I knew it's a great amp. That's cool. I'll have to check them out. They are certainly on the list now. I haven't even received the 40.1's yet so I have time to look around and make the right choice. Thanks!

**socfan12** · May 26, 2014, 01:10 PM

Joe, the Zellatons have the speed and transparency of the Tads but have been absolutely fatigue free every time I've heard them. I really think you would like them.

**joeinid** · May 26, 2014, 01:21 PM

Hi Allen,

As revealing and as forward as the TADs were, they were not fatiguing to me. It's just that they let me know all too well if something was not perfectly recorded. I could listen for hours and hours without any problem, but if I cranked it up more than my comfort zone, I felt a little bite. Up until that point, all was wonderful. It's funny, even the horns on my Cornwalls do not seem to be as forward as the TADs on similar songs. If I was a recording engineer, I think the TADs would be a great mix speaker. I just crave a little more sweetness and warmth compared to the TADs. Maybe Strads might be too much of a good thing, I don't know. The Harbeth 40.1's will be a wonderful barometer until I figure out where to go with my choice. I promise to come over and hear your Zellation Reference speakers when they are broken in.

Just give me the sign and I'll be there

Originally Posted by socfan12

Joe, the Zellatons have the speed and transparency of the Tads but have been absolutely fatigue free every time I've heard them. I really think you would like them.

**Paul** · May 26, 2014, 02:25 PM

Joe. Once you get a hook on Harbeth with nice box sounds it will be so hard to go back with fancy speakers.

**joeinid** · May 26, 2014, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Joe. Once you get a hook on Harbeth with nice box sounds it will be so hard to go back with fancy speakers.

I think you are right. Jerome was telling me how much he loves his 40.1's, even more that the Alexia that he demoed.

**Paul** · May 26, 2014, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I think you are right. Jerome was telling me how much he loves his 40.1's, even more that the Alexia that he demoed.

And you know how much Jerome loved his Wilson

I still remember first email I got from Jerome asked me about the Harbeth

**joeinid** · May 26, 2014, 02:33 PM

Gotta love him

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

And you know how much Jerome loved his Wilson

I still remember first email I got from Jerome asked me about the Harbeth

**ozarktom** · May 26, 2014, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I think you are right. Jerome was telling me how much he loves his 40.1's, even more that the Alexia that he demoed.

Fidelis also sells Wilson and Fidelis is getting quite a few of the used Alexia's traded back in on the Zellatons. I would call Fidelis and see what they say. If Fidelis is not far, they would have the Alexias, Zellaton's, and Harbeths all in stock.

The Zellatons are open baffle so they will be more open and image better that any closed box speaker.

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