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December 22, 2022, 09:37 PM #1
GR Research Line Force speakers
I thought I'd share my latest DIY speaker project. In this case, there wasn't a ton of DIY work. I had the cabinets made for me, so just had to install the drivers, build the crossovers, and wire everything up. I included some background in case you are interested.
I built a pair of GR-Research NX-Otica speakers a few years ago and was very impressed with their performance given their moderate price ($2800/pr at the time). When I read about the Line Force, I decided I really wanted to build a pair.
The Line Force is an open-baffle line array utilizing six Bohlender-Graebener NEO10 drivers and sixteen NEO3 drivers for each speaker. It was originally developed by GR for Serenity Acoustics. Unfortunately, shortly after the speaker was developed, B-G was acquired by Christie Digital who decided to stop selling their drivers to the OEM market. Since this product and Serenity's other speaker (the Super Seven) were both based on the B-G drivers, they were forced out of business.
GR developed their own NEO3 clone driver (which they use in a number of their kit speakers), but do not yet have a NEO10 replacement. In 2020, Parts Express was still getting an occassional shipment of NEO 10 drivers from B-G, so I back-ordered enough drivers to build these speakers. Five months later (late 2020), PE received their last shipment and I received the drivers.
The cabinets for these speakers are made out of a composite material in order to be stiff and strong enough with all the cutouts for the drivers. Unfortunately, Covid supply chain issues caused a severe shortage of the resin required to make this composite, so it wasn't until late 2021 that the composite material became available. By that time, all the CNC shops that dealt with this material were so backed up that it took another six or so months before I could get the cabinets machined.
I finally got everything necessary to assemble these speakers in late October. The crossovers are built with Miflex copper foil in oil caps, bypassed with Dueland JDM Tinned-Copper bypass caps, Munford foil inductors, and Path resistors. All wiring is Neotech UP-OCC solid core copper in teflon.
These big copper caps take a while to break-in. But I now have about 300 hours on the speakers and over the last couple weeks, the speakers have really started to sound wonderful. They are a relatively easy load (nominally eight ohms droppind to six in the lower frequencies) with approximately 98db/w efficiency. Since they are line arrays, the sound pressure drops off much slower with distance than a point source speaker. So my 300B PSET monoblocks have plenty of power to really make them sing.
They cross over to GR-Research Triple Threat open-baffle servo-controlled subwoofers at about 170Hz.
While the B-G NEO10 drivers are no longer available, Parts Express is selling the GRS-10 driver which is similar and about the same size. Unfortunately it doesn't handle low frequencies as well as the B-G driver, but GR is working on a new crossover to see what they can do.
These speakers took quite a while to get done with all the delays, and were considerably more expensive to build than the NX-Oticas. But I'm thrilled with the results - well worth the wait and cost.
Main: SGC SonicTransporter i9 Optical, Sonore Signature Rendu SE, Denafrips Gaia, Denafrips Terminator Plus, DIY Preamp, DIY 300B PSET Monoblocks, DIY GR Research Line Force with dual 4-stack servo subs, PS Audio Power Plant 12, AQ Diamond USB, Tubulus Argentus i2s, Iconoclast 4x4 UPOCC XLR, DH Labs Red Wave and Power Plus PCs, Kimber Select KS-3035 speaker cable
2nd: Auralic Vega G2, DIY Purifi amp, GR-Research NX-Studio speakers.
HT: Marantz AV8802a, Sunfire Theater Grand, Revel Performa F50/C50, Epson 5050, Stewart 92" Firehawk G4
Extra: Schiit Yggdrasil A2, DIY FirstWatt F5 Turbo monoblocks, DIY Neurochrome Mod-286 monoblocks, DIY Purifi monoblocks, DIY Preamp. Revel F30, Totem Mani-2.
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December 22, 2022, 10:00 PM #2
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Re: GR Research Line Force speakers
Those look great Jay.
Main - JVC QL-Y7/Denon DL-301 Mk II, Gold Note PH-10, Jays CDT3 Mk3 , Auralic Aries G1, Holo May KTE, Supratek Cabernet, Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks, Verity Audio Otello, (2) Rythmik F12SE, Audio Envy IC, SC & PC's, Triode Wire Lab PC's, Inakustik USB and I2S, PS Audio Stellar P3, PI Audio Uberbuss, Timbernation rack
Family Room - Oppo UDP-203, Auralic Aries, Aqua La Voce S3, Kinki Studio EX-M1+, Nola KO, (2) Rythmik F-12G, Wireworld SC & IC's, Neotech PC's, SurgeX SA-1810
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December 22, 2022, 11:29 PM #3
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These speakers look awesome! If you don't mind my asking, where are you located in Oregon?
Thanks,
Anshul
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December 22, 2022, 11:34 PM #4
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Thanks. I’m in Portland.
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December 23, 2022, 07:03 AM #5
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Very nice Jay, those look awesome. Never seen caps the size of artillery shells like that before, cool!
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December 23, 2022, 12:03 PM #6
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Impressive. What terrific looking speakers! Bet they sound great.
You're not done yet hours-wise. The best way to break in big caps and related parts that size is with a cable cooker. It will still take a few hundred hours. Then look out.
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December 23, 2022, 01:08 PM #7
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December 23, 2022, 01:59 PM #8
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Main: SGC SonicTransporter i9 Optical, Sonore Signature Rendu SE, Denafrips Gaia, Denafrips Terminator Plus, DIY Preamp, DIY 300B PSET Monoblocks, DIY GR Research Line Force with dual 4-stack servo subs, PS Audio Power Plant 12, AQ Diamond USB, Tubulus Argentus i2s, Iconoclast 4x4 UPOCC XLR, DH Labs Red Wave and Power Plus PCs, Kimber Select KS-3035 speaker cable
2nd: Auralic Vega G2, DIY Purifi amp, GR-Research NX-Studio speakers.
HT: Marantz AV8802a, Sunfire Theater Grand, Revel Performa F50/C50, Epson 5050, Stewart 92" Firehawk G4
Extra: Schiit Yggdrasil A2, DIY FirstWatt F5 Turbo monoblocks, DIY Neurochrome Mod-286 monoblocks, DIY Purifi monoblocks, DIY Preamp. Revel F30, Totem Mani-2.
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December 23, 2022, 01:59 PM #9
Re: GR Research Line Force speakers
Main: SGC SonicTransporter i9 Optical, Sonore Signature Rendu SE, Denafrips Gaia, Denafrips Terminator Plus, DIY Preamp, DIY 300B PSET Monoblocks, DIY GR Research Line Force with dual 4-stack servo subs, PS Audio Power Plant 12, AQ Diamond USB, Tubulus Argentus i2s, Iconoclast 4x4 UPOCC XLR, DH Labs Red Wave and Power Plus PCs, Kimber Select KS-3035 speaker cable
2nd: Auralic Vega G2, DIY Purifi amp, GR-Research NX-Studio speakers.
HT: Marantz AV8802a, Sunfire Theater Grand, Revel Performa F50/C50, Epson 5050, Stewart 92" Firehawk G4
Extra: Schiit Yggdrasil A2, DIY FirstWatt F5 Turbo monoblocks, DIY Neurochrome Mod-286 monoblocks, DIY Purifi monoblocks, DIY Preamp. Revel F30, Totem Mani-2.
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December 23, 2022, 02:22 PM #10
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December 23, 2022, 07:22 PM #11
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Very cool build, Jay. Your system will pay dividends for your commitment and discipline in sourcing the parts.
I built the X-LS Encores a couple years back and often use them with my little Amp Camp amps.
I used all the best parts I could for the crossovers, including the Miflex copper caps.
They are quite impressive, especially when used with Shunyata's new Venom-X speaker cables, which are...amazing.
Danny really knows what he's doing and is the real deal when it come to speaker design. 👍
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December 23, 2022, 07:54 PM #12
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Thanks. Nice looking XLS build. Yes, I've been pretty impressed with Danny's designs. I also have a pair of NX-Studios in my bedroom system that sound very nice.
I'm using Kimber Select KS-3035 cables on these speakers right now and am very pleased with them. I think the only cables I would consider switching to at this point is moving up the Kimber line.
When I first got the big copper caps, I was a bit concerned that I wouldn't be able to fit everything on the crossover boards. In the end, it was a tight fit, but they came out nice. When I finished building the first one, I just had to weigh it - came to 22lbs!
Main: SGC SonicTransporter i9 Optical, Sonore Signature Rendu SE, Denafrips Gaia, Denafrips Terminator Plus, DIY Preamp, DIY 300B PSET Monoblocks, DIY GR Research Line Force with dual 4-stack servo subs, PS Audio Power Plant 12, AQ Diamond USB, Tubulus Argentus i2s, Iconoclast 4x4 UPOCC XLR, DH Labs Red Wave and Power Plus PCs, Kimber Select KS-3035 speaker cable
2nd: Auralic Vega G2, DIY Purifi amp, GR-Research NX-Studio speakers.
HT: Marantz AV8802a, Sunfire Theater Grand, Revel Performa F50/C50, Epson 5050, Stewart 92" Firehawk G4
Extra: Schiit Yggdrasil A2, DIY FirstWatt F5 Turbo monoblocks, DIY Neurochrome Mod-286 monoblocks, DIY Purifi monoblocks, DIY Preamp. Revel F30, Totem Mani-2.
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December 23, 2022, 11:13 PM #13
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November 5, 2023, 02:40 PM #14
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I replaced the woofer towers with a new set painted to match my Line Forces. These new towers have four 12" servo drivers per tower. Each tower is driven by a Rythmik HX800 amp, which has two 400W channels with servo feedback. Each channel is connected to two drivers.
The difference compared to the triple towers is pretty subtle, but in-room response is a bit smoother. I have yet to find any music that stresses them in the least.
Main: SGC SonicTransporter i9 Optical, Sonore Signature Rendu SE, Denafrips Gaia, Denafrips Terminator Plus, DIY Preamp, DIY 300B PSET Monoblocks, DIY GR Research Line Force with dual 4-stack servo subs, PS Audio Power Plant 12, AQ Diamond USB, Tubulus Argentus i2s, Iconoclast 4x4 UPOCC XLR, DH Labs Red Wave and Power Plus PCs, Kimber Select KS-3035 speaker cable
2nd: Auralic Vega G2, DIY Purifi amp, GR-Research NX-Studio speakers.
HT: Marantz AV8802a, Sunfire Theater Grand, Revel Performa F50/C50, Epson 5050, Stewart 92" Firehawk G4
Extra: Schiit Yggdrasil A2, DIY FirstWatt F5 Turbo monoblocks, DIY Neurochrome Mod-286 monoblocks, DIY Purifi monoblocks, DIY Preamp. Revel F30, Totem Mani-2.
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