Gauder RC7 MK2

**Mike** · August 17, 2015, 09:25 PM

Nope - these are the Mk1's. VERY misleading ad by the previous distributor.

Big big differences between the 1 and 2. The 2 reportedly has a killer new crossover, diamond tweeter, etc.

**Alpinist** · August 17, 2015, 09:29 PM

Mike,

For an additional speaker brand, I would consider Tidal, Vandersteen and YG. These are all great brands with superb sound and high build quality and reputation.

Best,
Ken

**Mike** · August 17, 2015, 09:32 PM

Thanks Ken. I have the Rc7 mk2's coming to me in about 3 weeks to have/demo for 2 weeks. I think that brand is about to explode in popularity. Dr. Gauder has done some amazing things in the design of the crossover, use of materials, cabinet design, etc.

Stay tuned....but keep the suggestions coming!

**Alpinist** · August 17, 2015, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thanks Ken. I have the Rc7 mk2's coming to me in about 3 weeks to have/demo for 2 weeks. I think that brand is about to explode in popularity. Dr. Gauder has done some amazing things in the design of the crossover, use of materials, cabinet design, etc.

Stay tuned....but keep the suggestions coming!

That's great, Mike, congrats! I've never heard the Gauder but if David says they rival the Raidho's, I believe him. He has a great ear.

Best,
Ken

**Mike** · August 17, 2015, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

That's great, Mike, congrats! I've never heard the Gauder but if David says they rival the Raidho's, I believe him. He has a great ear.

Best,
Ken

I agree. I can't wait to hear them in my room, but I am keeping all options open. I REALLY like Tidal too.

**groovy** · August 17, 2015, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thanks Ken. I have the Rc7 mk2's coming to me in about 3 weeks to have/demo for 2 weeks. I think that brand is about to explode in popularity. Dr. Gauder has done some amazing things in the design of the crossover, use of materials, cabinet design, etc.

Stay tuned....but keep the suggestions coming!

Next logical question, what choice of amp(s)?

**Mike** · August 17, 2015, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by groovy

Next logical questions, what choice of amp(s)?

Air Tight, Pass, T+A.

Speaking of T+A, I'm so glad they won a Golden Ear award. I've been harping on about T+A for months. It's amazing sounding stuff, built like a brick shit house (it's build quality rivals Accuphase) and is priced fairly in the market.

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Glareskin

I don't know but what I do know is that these are really good sounding speakers. Very powerful, musical speakers. Relatively unknown even though they are around for 40 years and highly acclaimed by the European audio pressI think they might benefit form the current active speakers revival. Since they have DAC's inside you could drive directly from a streaming device or computer source. And this is what is taught to be the thing that customers want nowadays, at least in Europe that is.

Definitely worth checking this out Mike. The BM35 and BM50 are the absolute top in the world and I wouldn't be surprised that they will replace other speakers from your own listening room :-)

Agreed Hans. the Ypsilon Eratos is also a very polished speaker too:
High End Swiss 2014: Ypsilon, Backes & Muller | Audio Traveler

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 07:00 AM

Mike, here is another speaker to consider:
The SilverFlame or WhiteLight anniversary
Lumen White - the best loudspeaker

They seem to be hooked up with Ayon Electronics at shows.

WhiteLight anniversary news here: http://www.lumenwhite.com/news_uk.html

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 07:31 AM

These Munich guys have similar aesthetics to Gauder:
FÖRSTER AUDIOTECHNIK - Time-coherent High End audio systems

They use Ceramic, Manger and Heil drivers liberally.

**Mike** · August 18, 2015, 09:09 AM

Thanks for the suggestions Norman. The challenge is that no one over on this side of the pond has ever heard of these brands.

**Glareskin** · August 18, 2015, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by wisnon

Mike, here is another speaker to consider:
The SilverFlame or WhiteLight anniversary
Lumen White - the best loudspeaker

Yes since more than 10 years one the finest loudspeakers. They use the fine Acuton drivers like Gauder...

Originally Posted by wisnon

They seem to be hooked up with Ayon Electronics at shows.

Yeah, Austrians like to stick together :-)
Mike is not a fan of Ayon, I believe.....

**Mike** · August 18, 2015, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Glareskin

Yes since more than 10 years one the finest loudspeakers. They use the fine Acuton drivers like Gauder...

Yeah, Austrians like to stick together :-)
Mike is not a fan of Ayon, I believe.....

I've heard Ayon a few times. Always seemed noisy to me, I also detest the constant barrage of ads on Audiogon by their dealers or Ayon themselves. Kind of devalues the product IMHO.

Mike

**CPP** · August 18, 2015, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

I also detest the constant barrage of ads on Audiogon by their dealers or Ayon themselves. Kind of devalues the product IMHO.

Mike

Agree and it reminds me of the Lawyer adds on TV.

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Glareskin

Yes since more than 10 years one the finest loudspeakers. They use the fine Acuton drivers like Gauder...

Yeah, Austrians like to stick together :-)
Mike is not a fan of Ayon, I believe.....

LoL
LumenWhite is Swiss/German (Luzern)...definitely not Austrian.

**Glareskin** · August 18, 2015, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

I've heard Ayon a few times. Always seemed noisy to me, I also detest the constant barrage of ads on Audiogon by their dealers or Ayon themselves. Kind of devalues the product IMHO.

I know Mike. I just remembered that and wanted to point out to Norman that Ayon is not a good reference for you.

Originally Posted by CPP

Agree and it reminds me of the Lawyer adds on TV.

Haha, yes! Or this one always seems to be on TV when I switch on during my US trips:

Originally Posted by wisnon

LoL
LumenWhite is Swiss/German (Luzern)...definitely not Austrian.

Oops, sorry, I didn't know that. What a mistake considering that my division HQ is in Rotkreuz...

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 10:25 AM

You know the flag joke, right? The Swiss say they dont get along with the Austrians, because they are positive and the Austrians are negative...just look at the flags! LoL

Plus vs Minus.

**wisnon** · August 18, 2015, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thanks for the suggestions Norman. The challenge is that no one over on this side of the pond has ever heard of these brands.

Its a pity about LumenWhite, given they won best sound in Vegas 2013 by AVSShowroom, same in SF 2011 by PFO magazine and Constantine Soo gave them a rave review here:
Lumenwhite Artisan Speaker Review - Dagogo | A Unique Audiophile Experience

I guess they are best known in Asia...and then Europe, but they clearly are very capable transducers,. i have only heard them once myself...Zurich 2012.

**Audiophon** · November 28, 2015, 03:50 AM

@Mike,

did you receive your pair of Gauder speakers? Did you like them, with which electronics did you drive them?

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**Mike** · November 28, 2015, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

@Mike,

did you receive your pair of Gauder speakers? Did you like them, with which electronics did you drive them?

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I decided to hold off and hear them at CES in January.

**Alpinist** · November 28, 2015, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

I decided to hold off and hear them at CES in January.

Smart move, Mike. Best to give them another listen first before bringing them in. I know that David absolutely loved his.

Best,
Ken

**Audiophon** · November 28, 2015, 11:54 AM

I am curious wether you will like them.... I love them, especially with the right electronics (class A and no negative feedback). At the high end fair in Munich the Gauder sounded wonderful with Vitus, however, I did not appreciate that much the bigger RC9 with the AVM electronics.
Martin

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**Mike** · November 28, 2015, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

I am curious wether you will like them.... I love them, especially with the right electronics (class A and no negative feedback). At the high end fair in Munich the Gauder sounded wonderful with Vitus, however, I did not appreciate that much the bigger RC9 with the AVM electronics.
Martin

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I think Gauder will be paired with Accuphase. Will be interesting to see.

**Audiophon** · November 28, 2015, 12:40 PM

For sure.... I currently have a Grandinote Domino preamp in my system and it's a killer! I'm still waiting for their Demon monoblocks for a demo in my system, but I guess they will blow my Pass XA 100.5 away.... give them a listen if you have the opportunity at CES!

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**Elberoth** · November 29, 2015, 05:29 AM

I was on a dinner yesterday with Mr.Gauder. He is one of the most knowledgable speaker designers around. He is one of the very few who has a scientific background behind him (he is still giving lecturers at the local technical university) and trully understands what is going on in speaker and crossover designs. It is like talking with a Mercedes engine designer / engineer as opposed to some tuner that thinks he knows better.

I'm rarely impressed, but this time I was.

I need to sample his current designs based on Accuton drive units as I've never heard those.

**JGlacken** · April 1, 2016, 03:01 PM

Would like to revive this discussion. Marten Birds, Gauder Casino and Luminwhite Artisan seem to be in the same league. Anyone heard them and can compare?

**ben** · April 9, 2016, 09:41 PM

What about Gamut, Lansche, Venture audio, Hansen audio, Peak Consult, Verity Audio? It seems these brands don't have large dealer network in USA.

**joeinid** · April 10, 2016, 01:29 AM

Welcome to the forum Ben, thank you for joining.

**Tom Z** · April 10, 2016, 01:53 AM

The Gauder speakers look very nice. They are using tank wood (Panzerholz), no? Vitus had a cool setup at Munich last year with these speakers. I have only heard Accuton drivers in my friend's old Marten Coltranes. They were large sized stand mounts (can't think of the model). Very clean and fast sound, like stator panels, but with decent punch down low.

**Tom Z** · April 10, 2016, 02:24 AM

Here is what happens to an Accuton driver when they're driven by the wrong amps. Apparently the wife of the owner of these Martens turned his under-powered amp up full tilt while she was in the shower which sent the amp into clipping, followed by about a second or two of wild cone excursion which face-planted the ceramic drivers into the protective mesh screens, cracking them like a chocolate egg!

**Audiophon** · April 10, 2016, 04:09 AM

In the last years Accuton has largely improved the power handling capabilities of their ceramic drivers. Also my dealer "shoot" in the past some Accuton drivers, but no bad news since Accuton changed their drivers some years ago.

At the Munich show we were listening the Gauder speakers with Vitus electronics at 110 db - without any auditible distorsion!

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**Tom Z** · April 10, 2016, 05:02 AM

@Audiophon, yeah they were an old pair of Martens. I believe one of the changes they've made to newer generation Accutons is to increase the gap of the mesh screen to avoid damaging the ceramic cone, and to allow for greater linear movement.

**ben** · April 10, 2016, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Welcome to the forum Ben, thank you for joining.

Joe, I love this forum. So many great discussion. kinda addicting

**joeinid** · April 10, 2016, 02:49 PM

Ben,

Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it. That's what it's all about.

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**Mike** · April 10, 2016, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ben

Joe, I love this forum. So many great discussion. kinda addicting

We agree! Glad you like it.

**Diasoft** · September 27, 2016, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

In the last years Accuton has largely improved the power handling capabilities of their ceramic drivers. Also my dealer "shoot" in the past some Accuton drivers, but no bad news since Accuton changed their drivers some years ago.

At the Munich show we were listening the Gauder speakers with Vitus electronics at 110 db - without any auditible distorsion!

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Hello Audiophon,
you wanted to listen to the Vitus SS-025 and the SS-101/102 at home. How was it? I am going to listen to Vitus RCD 100 and RI 100 at home in two weeks.

Thanks,
Dirk

Gauder Akustik RC 7 MK II / HGP Fuga ST / Infinity 9.2i / Infinity 9a
ASR Emitter II HD Akku / ASR Emitter II plus
Wadia 830 / Oppo 105 tuned by Gert Volk Audio / Simon Yorke S9 / Amazon1 + SME V
Omtec Antares Phono Pre
Magnan, Acoustic Zen + Aural Symphonics Cable
Shun Mook

**Audiophon** · September 27, 2016, 06:00 PM

Hi Dirk,

Yes, I wanted to ask the local Vitus importer for an audition of the SS 102 at home to substitute my current Pass monos. I am really a fan of Vitus and I took some long listening sessions at the Munich fair last year and this year and was really overwelmed by their sound (much better compared to the AVM electronics in Gauder's own room). However, by the end of last year I had a listening at home of the Grandinote Demone preamplifer at home. I was so floored by the qualities of this Pre that it never left my home since...

Meanwhile we got our second kid and the hobby now comes second.... so for now, no auditioning of the Vitus at home.

Which amps did you try with your Gauder?

Martin

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**SoundRebels** · May 4, 2017, 08:01 AM

Very interesting and ... crazy early prototypes of new line Gauder speakers -as a exaple Berlina RC-7 made from ... aluminum and covered by pure gold leaves. (more photos on Soundrebels)

**Audiophon** · May 4, 2017, 08:10 AM

... very very special I would say ;-) Maybe more for the eastern markets that for the genuin European taste....

I guess I know the guy who's making the gold and chrome finish: take a look on the homepage of Westend-Audio ;-)

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**Audiophon** · May 4, 2017, 08:15 AM

The owner of Westend-Audio also has a company making all the gold and chrome finishes for Burmester, AVM and the old Isophon/Gauder speakers ... and the guy is also a Gauder dealer - I'm sure you met him already ;-)

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**SoundRebels** · May 4, 2017, 08:17 AM

Maybe at the Munich show ;-)

**Audiophon** · May 27, 2017, 05:05 AM

My friend Stefan...

He's the guy who is doing the chrome and golden enclosures of the Gauder speakers. Instead of MDF the ripped enclosure is now made of pure aluminium rips!

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**Diasoft** · July 15, 2017, 06:07 AM

How about spike bases or tuning feet? I tried Harmonix RF 900 Mk2 with my RC7 Mk2 Diamond, didnt like it, to lean, no dynamics. The sound was dull.

**Audiophon** · July 15, 2017, 07:09 AM

I use the original spikes with a granite base below. The granite base is decoupled with air-filled feet from the the wooden floor to avoid the floor from vibrating.

It works pretty well and it's a relatively cheap solution.

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**Mike** · July 15, 2017, 09:14 PM

Great speakers. Thanks to Kuoppis, I had the privilege of spending time with Dr. Gauder at Munich. Very nice man. Passionate.

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**SoundRebels** · September 25, 2017, 04:39 AM

New baby in Gauder family - Darc 4 prototype. Full aluminum enclosure, diamond tweeter and ... 70 kg each. After few hours of listening I like them much, very much :-D - Full Coverage

**Audiophon** · September 27, 2017, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by SoundRebels

New baby in Gauder family - Darc 4 prototype. Full aluminum enclosure, diamond tweeter and ... 70 kg each. After few hours of listening I like them much, very much :-D - Full Coverage

Thanks for sharing! So they seem to build up a new line, interesting...

I just had my Berlina RC 7 Diamond upgrade at the factory to the MK II version and are really happy.

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**SoundRebels** · September 27, 2017, 01:48 AM

Yep, that's the new line - Darc

**Audiophon** · October 1, 2017, 08:36 AM

Looking at the size of the speaker they seem similar to the Vescova diamond.

How do they compare to the Cassiano or the Berlina series?? Can you please comment on the sound?

Have they already fixed a msrp??

Thanks!

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**Mordante** · October 3, 2017, 08:52 AM

Last weekend I went to a show. Vitus Audio was there. Using Gauder Speakers. It sounded wonderful. I did not ask what the set costs. I saw 4 huge mono amps.

While the set sounded great. I did think the Gauder speaker were a bit ugly. If I were to guess the speakers were the RC7.

Hans Ole Vitus is a very friendly man. All of his products are way too expensive for me.

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