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    Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I’ll be doing my Axpona 2022 wrap up video (2 parts) with one of my employees who accompanied me on the trip.

    What nobody (accept me) is talking about was all the new active speakers we saw from well known companies like Avantgarde, YG, Marten, Piega and countless others. In fact, in many cases, the active versions of these iconic brands were some of the best I’ve ever heard their speakers sound! I made the comment to the VP of Sales for YG (Steve) who I know quite well from his days at Boulder that the active YG’s were the best I had ever heard YG’s, and he agreed.

    On the retail side, I think active has a home (no pun intended), for those with compromised living spaces or WAF issues surrounding cables and amps.

    We all love to play with amps, DAC’s, preamps, cables, etc. and I know the naysayers will say “active has been trying for years and has never taken off.” I know companies like Estelon, Linn, Dutch & Dutch, Goldmund and others have been trying to get active to take off. Linn and D&D seem to be the only ones gaining a little momentum.

    With big names like AG, Marten and YG jumping into the fray, this time just might be different.

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I'm probably a minority but some of us can swing the speakers, but can't afford the bottomless pit of component matching and guys like me will embrace fully active if priced realistically.
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    Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Hopefully, the potential of active speakers will finally be realised.

    When done right, based on my ears, active speakers can and do sound more coherent, direct (transparent & less veiled?) and dynamic compared to passive speakers.

    Many active speakers have thus far been offered by manufacturers serving the pro audio markets, for example, ATC, PSI Audio, Adam Audio (their discontinued Classic & Tensor active ranges), etc. Here’s an extensive list:

    Aktive Hersteller (Stand: 10/2021) - aktives-hoeren.de

    These are great speakers but may lack “audiophile” cachet because of aesthetics, drivers or parts quality, prestige, etc.

    While it is probably a supply and demand issue, there is limited offering and choices of, for lack of a better term “audiophile approved”, active speakers.

    The other limitation is that some active speakers are purely digital, like the Dutch & Dutch 8C or even the Avantgarde Zero XD that I used to own. While great in themselves, when digital technology advances, there may not be an easy way to upgrade the digital section of such speakers.

    Generally speaking, amplifier and driver technology are more mature. Depending on the price point and quality, both can grow with newer digital technology.

    Otoh, with fully digital systems, the manufacturer has more options / flexibility in terms of crossovers and what they can achieve compared to analog crossovers. In addition, digital room correction / equalisation can be offered too.

    Different users may have their preferences.

    To me, the interface, done right, between amps and drivers in an analog active speakers would be ideal, while still allowing me to have my choice of DAC and preamp to “flavour” to my preference.

    So, the new offerings will offer more performance and choice. Exciting times.

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    guys like me will embrace fully active if priced realistically.
    YMMV.
    Interesting that some manufacturers (AG, Klipsch, etc) are making their flagship/top of line models active, priced where I think the customer would be least likely to be receptive to physically real technological and corresponding SQ advances. Time will tell...

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I have a friend with the top of the line Meridian DSP speakers. He has upgraded the internal electronics several times at an expense that would purchase a complete modest system.

    I see the future of DSP speakers as a way for manufacturers to push more and more MKII, MKIII, MKIV etc upgrades. An owner might not swap speakers every time there is an upgrade but may be enticed to upgrade the DSP and internal amplification.

    I am not questioning performance or other listener's observations. With so many positive comments I have to assume there is something special there. I am just commenting that DSP is not an endpoint. It is the start of a different merry-go-round.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I have the meridian upgrade and buying the speakers used and shopping for a price on the se upgrade has me a very good complete system. I think meridian pricing has always been arrogant which now shows. That, hopefully won’t be the accepted business model. D&D did a great job bringing a full range speaker to market, they just need a separate preamp like legacy and M use.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Meridian represents Meridian, not "Active/DSP speakers"

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Certainly active speakers solve a lot of technical problems and have the potential for higher levels of performance than their passive peers. A certain group of non-fiddly music lovers will embrace them and reap their sonic rewards.

    Another group of equipment centric audiophiles will miss the opportunity to experiment with power amplifiers, preamplifiers, lots of interconnects, power distributors with dozens of outlets, massive racks, de-crappifiers, etc. Power cords and a few interconnects are still in play. God forbid an active speaker manufacturer admit to using a switching power supply.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Quote Originally Posted by W9TR View Post

    Edited for emphasis.

    Another group of equipment centric audiophiles will miss the opportunity to experiment with power amplifiers, preamplifiers, lots of interconnects, power distributors with dozens of outlets, massive racks, de-crappifiers, etc. Power cords and a few interconnects are still in play. God forbid an active speaker manufacturer admit to using a switching power supply.
    And tubes.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    My experience going active with Naim SBLs about 25 years ago was that it was a significant improvement, but not cost effective. That is, I could get much better results spending the money to go active (amp, xover, cables, etc.) elsewhere in the system.

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I mentioned YG in my review, they were very good. My prior AXPONA review included ATC which were impressive and Salk had a $2500 set that sounded outstanding. I get the impression KEF sold a ton of the LS50 powered.

    It would seem in some geographical area the concept must be growing for manufacturer's to invest in a model to offer.

    I would think the powered options may be a bit tougher to sell if ever wanting to change, especially with some age on them. There should be a way to upgrade the DAC and other areas as time goes by.

    You know what they say about dusting off your own porch before complaining about the neighbor, or something like that. Meaning those of you bashing fellow audiophiles look hhypocritical without showing powered speakers in your own sig. And, just as long list of gadgets as those you poke fun at.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I have been all active for years with no regrets. however the killer gryphon amp on display at axpona did make me think twice....dang that was nice...
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    those of you bashing fellow audiophiles look hhypocritical without showing powered speakers in your own sig
    Those are called Passive-Aggressive audiophile speakers.

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Hopefully they are not all using Dayton Plate Amps like Wilson.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Very true. Never trust your ears, only the sight and knowledge of "Mid-Fi" brand names, as the audiophile system emits monetary, not musical notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    Hopefully they are not all using Dayton Plate Amps like Wilson.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon View Post
    My experience going active with Naim SBLs about 25 years ago was that it was a significant improvement, but not cost effective. That is, I could get much better results spending the money to go active (amp, xover, cables, etc.) elsewhere in the system.
    Well, that was 25 years ago. Today, an audiophile power cable can set you back thousands not to mention interconnects, speaker cables, etc. You can look at it as if you were ahead of your time.

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    Active speakers are being used in automobile sound systems with amazing results. For example, B&O has developed a system (with 23 active-speaker and over 1,000 watts) for certain Audi models that sounds outstanding. Using DSP they can custom-tailor the sound for different Audi models. Hard to believe that you can now find car systems that sound way better than home systems costing a lot more money.

    There will always be those who like to play with cables, cords, different boxes, etc. But AG and a few leaders are on to something: IMO, simplicity will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Active speakers are being used in automobile sound systems with amazing results. For example, B&O has developed a system (with 23 active-speaker and over 1,000 watts) for certain Audi models that sounds outstanding. Using DSP they can custom-tailor the sound for different Audi models. Hard to believe that you can now find car systems that sound way better than home systems costing a lot more money.

    There will always be those who like to play with cables, cords, different boxes, etc. But AG and a few leaders are on to something: IMO, simplicity will win.
    Yeah, it is hard to believe which is why I don't believe it. Please name the expensive home system you heard and compared to the Audi system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Yeah, it is hard to believe which is why I don't believe it. Please name the expensive home system you heard and compared to the Audi system.
    You being a subjective audio reviewer, I am sure that you only trust your own ears. So here is some homework for you: Go to your nearest Audi dealer and tell them that you want to test drive an Audi with the B&O 3D Sound System. See how it compares to your own system or systems you have heard and feel free to report back.

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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Check the trunk make sure they haven't hidden a Dayton amp in there.

    And remember, "Its all subjective"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Check the trunk make sure they haven't hidden a Dayton amp in there.

    And remember, "Its all subjective"
    Exactly! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    You being a subjective audio reviewer, I am sure that you only trust your own ears. So here is some homework for you: Go to your nearest Audi dealer and tell them that you want to test drive an Audi with the B&O 3D Sound System. See how it compares to your own system or systems you have heard and feel free to report back.
    Nice deflection, but it won't work. You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system. So yeah, your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
    Subjectivity requires a back up??

    Wow, who knew? Ok, maybe we can have a poll of those who heard the active speakers at Axpona, like those humongous Klipsch Jubilees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system.
    It reminds me of the headphone comparison.
    A short time ago, in another space, a huge audiophile and audio equipment designer, deep connoisseur of electronics and the audio industry, who has heard and had great systems, said that when he want to listen to music, no system comes close to the headphones.
    And I read it, and my thought was: "despiste all his experience, he never really heard a system playing well"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Nice deflection, but it won't work. You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system. So yeah, your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
    My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Subjectivity requires a back up??

    Wow, who knew? Ok, maybe we can have a poll of those who heard the active speakers at Axpona, like those humongous Klipsch Jubilees.
    If you are going to say that X sounds better than Y, that would infer you listened to both X and Y and gave your subjective opinion based on hearing both. Nicoff doesn't want to mention what expensive systems don't sound as good as an Audi car stereo.

    So what question(s) will be on your poll about active speakers at Axpona?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
    FWIW, B&O offers four audio systems for Audi: Their cheaper option is the Bang & Olufsen Sound System (my old A7 had this one; it was just ok), next comes the Bang & Olufsen 3D Sound System, then the 3D Premium Sound System (my Audi SUV has this one; it is excellent), and finally their best option is the Bang & Olufsen® 3D Advanced Sound System. Only the 3D Advanced System (the top tier) uses the active speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If you are going to say that X sounds better than Y, that would infer you listened to both X and Y and gave your subjective opinion based on hearing both. Nicoff doesn't want to mention what expensive systems don't sound as good as an Audi car stereo.

    So what question(s) will be on your poll about active speakers at Axpona?
    Nicoff actually said
    Hard to believe that you can now find car systems that sound way better than home systems costing a lot more money.
    which is what you bolded in your quote.
    I've personally heard many audiophile systems that sound horrible, so that completely generalized non specific statement by Nicoff would hold true...and I've never heard the Audi system, but I've heard plenty of similar car "top of the line" MCH systems that beat the pants of those horrible 2ch audiophile systems. As a matter of fact, several friends who attended Axpona stated there were some truly horrible systems there too. Transistor radio sound at sky high prices. Nicoffs generalization would hold there too. Plus his personal subjective taste is no more/less valid than yours. It needs no "back up" or validation any more than yours. Personal preference is just that.

    My poll question would be "How did it sound to you"?

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    I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof because there are other places to have that discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
    Someone did claim it to be...
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    Factory Car Audio has come a long way since my days of Adding a Blaupunkt or Alpine Head Unit, an Amp under the seats, and several MB Quart speakers the first week of buying a car. The HK system in my Santa Fe is OK and the 12 Speaker Bose system in my Buick is better than my first Sony Rack System
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof because there are other places to have that discussion.
    You don't need a DBT for comparing a car audio system to a good home system unless you are deaf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    You don't need a DBT for comparing a car audio system to a good home system unless you are deaf.
    Here is an example of full-blown expectation bias. Not surprising since it comes from a subjective reviewer who really drank the kool aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof
    DBTs are great proof for objective claims, but not requisite for anyone who comprehends what purely subjective means.
    One of course can verify specific subjective claims via DBT if desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicoff View Post
    Here is an example of full-blown expectation bias. Not surprising since it comes from a subjective reviewer who really drank the kool aid.
    I would rather have expectation bias (which i don't) than delusional bias. There is no comparison between the interior of a car as a listening space vice a good system in a good room.

    If your car stereo sounds better than your home stereo, it's time to donate your home system to Goodwill.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    I don't listen to music in my car and I don't listen to news and sports in my audio room, so there is nothing to compare.
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    Re: Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    In a prior life I designed audio systems for corporate jet aircraft. Gulfstream, Falcon Jet, Challenger, etc. What I could do, and what high end car stereo designers can do, is exactly characterize the acoustic space and design a system to work properly within it. Everything I did was active because it was lighter, and weight was everything.

    A home stereo speaker designer has no such luxury and has to design for some target that will work in some rooms and not in others. Thus the preponderance of crappy sounding expensive stereo systems.

    But mobile environments, even great ones in luxury automobiles, are just really challenging in and of themselves.
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    Active Speakers - will this time be different?

    It’s easier to make it sound good in a smaller space (car) than a larger one (home).

    Although my system in the dedicated room sounds several times better, I still love the burmester in my Macan.

    The same can’t be said about my Odyssey’s stock stereo. It’s practically unlistenable and I ended up changing it to Focal K2 speakers and Helix DSP system.

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    Interview with Jack Oclee-Brown from KEF on the LS60 on the design principles behind it and why it may be a “transition point” for him on active vs passive. Plus, a hint of future active (higher end?) product.

    The making of KEF LS60 Wireless: active vs passive, Blade influence, and the next 60 years of KEF speakers | What Hi-Fi?

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