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    Acoustat-X

    I found a dusty but beautiful condition pair of Acoustat-X speakers with MK-121-2a interfaces.

    They were too good to not purchase. My intention is to resell them for a small profit so my wife won’t beat me again.

    I just couldn’t leave them there knowing in 10 minutes they were going to a warehouse and then be put on an online auction.

    Any idea what the value of them might be. They sounded amazing.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Do you have pictures? The Acoustat X was only sold with the Servo-Charge amps, so either the transformers were "retro-fitted" or they are actually Monitor 3's.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    I think they are X's. I hoped they had the tube amps but no luck. I don't remember what amp they were running. They were nothing fancy though.
    If they aren't X's please let me know.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Those look like Monitor 4's.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    looking online all I could find for Monitor 4's was a much taller speaker. I would agree as there are 4 panels that make up the speaker. I will keep looking.

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    Re: Acoustat-X

    In their time, they were one of the best speakers available, IIRC.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    From 1977 through 1995 I owned several versions of Acoustats, first the X, then the Monitor 4 and finally the 2+2, although always with the S-C amps, which went through several modifications by Ray Esposito (working for Acoustat). However, I think the later Spectra models, with the dual band transformer, were the best.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    So, are these the X model as opposed to the Monitor 4 you mentioned, Rob or anyone?

    I purchased a pair of Model 3's when I lived in Maine in the early 80's. That was the first time I heard a dipole panel and was hooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    So, are these the X model as opposed to the Monitor 4 you mentioned, Rob or anyone?

    I purchased a pair of Model 3's when I lived in Maine in the early 80's. That was the first time I heard a dipole panel and was hooked.
    What part of Maine did you live in?
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    First Peaks Island off Portland for 4 years, Then 22 miles inland to Hollis Center for 2 years then to in town Portland for 6 years. Donna and I got tired of winter and moved to Florida in 1985.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    First Peaks Island off Portland for 4 years, Then 22 miles inland to Hollis Center for 2 years then to in town Portland for 6 years. Donna and I got tired of winter and moved to Florida in 1985.
    My wife and I lived in Maine from 1978-1990. We lived in the North Berwick area. We couldn't wait to leave Maine. The winters are brutal and the short summer has the worst mosquitoes I've ever experienced and the black flys are a bitch too.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    So, are these the X model as opposed to the Monitor 4 you mentioned, Rob or anyone?

    I purchased a pair of Model 3's when I lived in Maine in the early 80's. That was the first time I heard a dipole panel and was hooked.
    I'm fairly sure those are the second iteration of the Monitor 4; IIRC the first version still used the S-C amps.
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    I think these are the next version up from the X. The tube SC amps had a few issues so they moved away from those and on to the interfaces, this could be the start of the Monitor Series. But that back tray looks like it may have held the tube SC amp at some stage. And it's interesting the interface on the speaker is upside down.
    Hmmm...

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    Re: Acoustat-X

    They are only upside down as that was how my nephew placed it when we unloaded them on a cart at my shop. They are not connected at this time.

    Where can I find a wiring diagram as the interface -panel connection was really crappy wire with wire nuts and bad solder on one wire.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    My wife and I lived in Maine from 1978-1990. We lived in the North Berwick area. We couldn't wait to leave Maine. The winters are brutal and the short summer has the worst mosquitoes I've ever experienced and the black flys are a bitch too.
    I couldn't agree more about short summer. Maine is an amazingly beautiful coastline to travel though.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Quote Originally Posted by audionutnz View Post
    I think these are the next version up from the X. The tube SC amps had a few issues so they moved away from those and on to the interfaces, this could be the start of the Monitor Series. But that back tray looks like it may have held the tube SC amp at some stage. And it's interesting the interface on the speaker is upside down.
    Hmmm...
    I'm not sure why this poster is speculating from random recollections. There are many images and other discussions of the Monitor 4 on-line, and it is clear that this is what you have. The Model 4 was similar, but used the S-C amps and did not have the pedestal base. The Model 3 and Model 4 were the last models with the S-C amps (the Acoustat X was their immediate predecessor), and were superseded by the Monitor 3 and Monitor 4 respectively, both using the MkI transformer interface and with the pedestal bases.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    These I believe are Monitor 4’s. Superb speakers back in the day. They are virtually “bulletproof”....ie: can play extremely loud without break up, or arching...Very liquid, smooth sound, with a touch of a “plastic” sound coloration, which actually gives off a pleasing, somewhat “forgiving” quality to poorly recorded music.
    The X you referred to had direct coupled tube amps and used a three panel configuration, as I recall.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    audionutz, Roy Esposito from Acoustat Service confirmed your determination that they are in fact a pair of The Monitors and were the next version after the X model and before the 3 and 4. Doesn't get me any closer to knowing why they worked properly when I purchased them but didn't when I set them up in my shop.

    I am now trying to find the schematic for the MK121-2A interface. Hopefully someone has one and can send me a copy.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Well a bit of good news, for me any way. I pulled the Aragon 2204 out of our HT setup and used the pre-out of the 48 year old Marantz 2245 receiver I tried yesterday and I was able to play some, somewhat fuzzy FM music and the speakers seem fine. The problem is the Marantz is just to old to drive them alone.
    The Marantz won't allow a laptop signal playing music from Qobuz through its topology. Fuzzy FM music isn't the best demo for anything as you can imagine.

    So, now I either need a better FM antenna, which I have tried a few times here in the outskirts of Wesley Chapel with no luck, or find a basic preamp that I can connect a laptop or CD player to.

    Now I shamelessly ask. Does anyone have a left behind in storage basic preamp I could rent cheaply for a couple weeks that would pass a signal through to my amp?

    Saving these Accoustat speakers is still worth trying to find a home for them, even though my my wife is shaking her head and laughing at me for creating another project I don't need added to my list.
    If someone has a basic pre they would rent cheaply for a couple of weeks I would greatly appreciate it. You can reach me here or at brock24252425@yahoo.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    audionutz, Roy Esposito from Acoustat Service confirmed your determination that they are in fact a pair of The Monitors and were the next version after the X model and before the 3 and 4. Doesn't get me any closer to knowing why they worked properly when I purchased them but didn't when I set them up in my shop.

    I am now trying to find the schematic for the MK121-2A interface. Hopefully someone has one and can send me a copy.

    Ha. It's nice to be right once in a while :-) I don't know if you know but the speakers need at least a week to charge up after been dumped off power and then some more for better results. It will sound off if you just plug them in and try to play them in a short time frame, also they won't have much volume. Yes they do need a good amp to drive them, most receivers won't cut it. Your old Aragon will be a good start. Let the speakers charge 24/7, don't unplug them. All ways on.
    Sorry I don't have a schematic for the interface. You could try these guys.. diyaudio com/community/threads/acoustat-answer-man-is-here.183168 they helped me when I need info, as well as good old Roy.
    This site here won't let me give you a full link as I don't have enough posts but I'm sure you can add whats needed to make it work.

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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Thanks, I did get the schematic.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    The biggest problem with the Model 4 and the Monitor 4 (which you have) is that the 4 panel models sound better in a 2+2 configuration than in the 4 across configuration. Many Acoustat owners (including me) built our own frames, using hardwood and cross-bracing, to end up with a better 2+2 than Acoustat made. I think the 4 across models ended with the Monitor 4 because of this, but I am not sure.

    I’m glad to hear that Ray is still around and involved with the products.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    audionutz, Roy Esposito from Acoustat Service confirmed your determination that they are in fact a pair of The Monitors and were the next version after the X model and before the 3 and 4. Doesn't get me any closer to knowing why they worked properly when I purchased them but didn't when I set them up in my shop.

    I am now trying to find the schematic for the MK121-2A interface. Hopefully someone has one and can send me a copy.
    Someone is a little confused here. The Models 3 and 4 came right after the X and were the last to use the S-C amps. The panels in those were raised about 10-12” but they did not have the pedestal base. The Monitor series switched to the transformers and used the pedestal base (which “died” after those models).

    I'm not expert on the transformers (I never owned one), but shouldn't your speakers have the MK121 interface? Doesn't the MK121-2A belong with the Spectra series (which used slightly different panels)? I will reach out to a friend with 2+2's and see what transformer went with those.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Roy said they originally came with the tube servo amps.

    He said that the interfaces that I have will work just fine with the speakers I have, which are The Monitor that came after the X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    I couldn't agree more about short summer. Maine is an amazingly beautiful coastline to travel though.
    Brad, don't forget Moosehead Lake, one beautiful body of water !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    Roy said they originally came with the tube servo amps.

    He said that the interfaces that I have will work just fine with the speakers I have, which are The Monitor that came after the X.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    Thanks rbbert, I have one but this is much clearer to read.
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    Re: Acoustat-X

    So it turns out the speakers work great. I would love to hear them with tubes.

    Another former employee of Accoustat on DIY Site verified that they have the "C" Mod and the interfaces have the changed
    but not to Medallion transformers. The transformers will produce slightly less bass with this upgrade.

    I think for $1000, someone will be getting a great deal. Now finding someone close enough to pick them up is the next step.
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