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    Re: Soulution 711

    David Baskin has one now and is in the evaluation process.
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    Re: Soulution 711

    Can't wait to hear David's thoughts on it. Is it me or is there something really alluring about the simplicity of Solution's design?? Pretty piece.
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    Honestly, it was the best amplification I've heard at David's. And we compared quite a few rigs.
    Not inexpensive, but you get what you pay for I guess.
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    Re: Soulution 711

    I agree

    Last time I was at Davids, it was the best thing we listened to also. I was surprised because I really haven't liked past versions of Solution gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by dfwmediagroup View Post
    Honestly, it was the best amplification I've heard at David's. And we compared quite a few rigs.
    Not inexpensive, but you get what you pay for I guess.
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    Jock, I am not surprised to hear this as the 5 series led them to rethink the new 7 series.

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    That is true. The 5 series sounded better than the 7. But with the same type of PS in the 7 series the level of performance has been stepped up. I must say I was not real excited about the sound until I put the 520 preamp in the system. Big time now!
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    I agree with David. The synergy between the Soulution amps and preamps is pure magic. I borrowed the 501 monos and was not blown away. Put the 500 series preamps in and viola! Different story altogether. If you haven't already heard the new 711 amp, it's worth a trip to David's to hear what might be the best electronics on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Design Audio Video View Post
    That is true. The 5 series sounded better than the 7. But with the same type of PS in the 7 series the level of performance has been stepped up. I must say I was not real excited about the sound until I put the 520 preamp in the system. Big time now!
    Hi David, yes, I agree totally about the 520 preamp, it's special. Everytime I get something else into my system to replace it, nothing has made me look twice yet.

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    Re: Soulution 711

    Kev - you think the 501's could drive the 20.7's? Curious...


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    Mike, that I'm not so sure on. Having had experience with panels in an everyday environment gives you some insight into the intricacies of instant power & whats in reserve. Sure, someone will come along & say well I heard this & thats not right , but for me, having 2000w at 4ohms on tap & hearing the exact same with 900w @ 4 ohms, I can honestly refer this one to the V8 boys, "there is no replacement for displacement. Sure they will do it, how good will be another thing indeed when the volume gets turned up. Hell I've even clipped my Sanders monos with all that power.

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    I think the 501's can drive any speaker out there IMO. The 125 watt rating is deceiving.
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    I rest my case your honour

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    I have not listened to the 501's but if they can drive D3's I would think they could handle just about any speaker. I think the 711 cranks out 90 amps of current and when listening it gives you the sense of unlimited power. It seems it would never run out of horsepower.
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    Shootout today at Design Audio Video. The new Hegel H30/P30 versus the reigning champ Soulution 711/520. I think I can place odds on which will ultimately prevail, but will the challenger land any punches before the knockout blow? Or will the rope-a-dope technique of the challenger wear the champ out in the final rounds? Time will tell. Ding-Ding.
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    Re: Soulution 711

    What speakers?

    Will you be taking cost into consideration or is this a flat out "winner takes all"?

    Roughly, the Soulution gear is 6 times more expensive than the Hegel. Come on Hegel!

    Will Constellation be given consideration today?


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    Focal Scala V2's. No Constellation today. Winner takes all.
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    Re: Soulution 711

    Hey Pete, quit sitting on the fence ! You know you want the Solution gear, break out the checkbook !!
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    Re: Soulution 711

    I would if I could!


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    Go for it!
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    Hegel was quite good. Incredible buy for the money. The two areas it loses to the Soulution are 1.) Soundstage Depth 2.) Bass Control. The separates are obviously superior to the integrated. Neither worked very well with the Raidho's, however, they worked better with the Focal Scalas. Decisions, decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwmediagroup View Post
    Hegel was quite good. Incredible buy for the money. The two areas it loses to the Soulution are 1.) Soundstage Depth 2.) Bass Control. The separates are obviously superior to the integrated. Neither worked very well with the Raidho's, however, they worked better with the Focal Scalas. Decisions, decisions.
    Interesting. Which integrated are you referencing here? Could you expand a bit on "neither worked very well the Raidho's?". Thanks!
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    Hegel H300 integrated. The Raidho's like tightfisted control over the bass range. The best control was exhibited by the Soulution 711.
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    Peter - what was your impression of the Constellation's bass control on the D3's?

    The poor H300 is only $5500 retail....the Soulution is $65,000.....not a fair fight!
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    see min 5.55-6.37


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    In this video, is Raidho using the Rowland 625's?


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    I think they're the 725 monos.

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    I didn't listen to Constellation yesterday Mike, but from what I recall it was just behind Soulution in bass control. A little fuller from my recollection.
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    Try the Soulution 520 preamp for sublime bass control.

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    I would love to hear some Soulution. My appreciation for Swiss gear is growing...


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    I have heard quite an array of audio gear in my day and the Soulution stands apart as being unique in many areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dfwmediagroup View Post
    I have heard quite an array of audio gear in my day and the Soulution stands apart as being unique in many areas.
    I agree. What amazes me is how it starts as a subtlety & turns into an obvious once you have lived with the sound, very addictive.

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    How do you think the 500 series compares with the 700 series?
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    5 series is sweet spot, haven't heard the new 7 series.

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    The Hegel H300 actually sounds very good with Raidho. When Peter heard the combo we had just pushed the Focal's out of the way and moved the D3's in and they were not positioned correctly. Once they were in the proper position and the H300 warmed up it was quite nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkmouth View Post
    5 series is sweet spot, haven't heard the new 7 series.
    I would love to hear the 520 one day, Kev.


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    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    I would love to hear the 520 one day, Kev.

    Allen, next time you're passing, let me know.

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    Hello everyone,
    I currently own the 530 integrated and recently decided to replace it with the 711. As the 711 arrived a few days ago , I had the chance to use the preamp from the 530 ( which is basically the 520) and connect it to the 711. The differences were immediately apparent. Much more authority and differentiation in the bass region. Increased volume of the sound, more space from left to right and front to back. The sound was more transparent as well. The 5 series amps are truly great but the 711 is a big step up. I have no doubts now that it has to be paired with the new 7 series preamp to properly deliver. The high bandwidth amplification system , high storage capacitance and extreme slew rate are concepts shared both by the 711 and 725. Again the 520 preamp sounded very well already but given the change brought by the 711, the 725 will truly reveal what the 711 is capable of.
    Regards Martin

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    First, welcome to AS, Martin!

    Soulution makes great gear! Congrats on the new 711!


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    Hi Martin - welcome to Audioshark.org

    Congrats on the new 711. Beautiful sounding piece.


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    Thanks

    Those are exactly the comparisons I've wanted to read about!!
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    Re: Soulution 711

    Welcome to AS Martin !
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    Re: Soulution 711

    Tech talk:

    First the input stage voltage amplifier which has a cut-off frequency of 80 megahertz, and is then subdivided into:

    A error amp that receives the feedback signal, but will not contribute to the amplification.
    And the actual zero-feedback with 20x voltage amplification.

    The output current stage comprises 14 bipolar power transistors per channel, all mounted onto a massive copper rail which is temperature controlled for a constant quiescent current. The soulution 711‘s impressive low level signal handling is reflected in its raw power delivery. Current levels of 120A and more are readily attainable.

    There's no global/overall feedback in any Soulution amps.


    From TAS:

    "This speed or bandwidth has nothing to do with the MHz-range frequencies that can be reproduced by such an amplifier; the bandwidth is required to make the “feedback loops” of solid-state designs work properly. “Feedback loops” compare the amplified music signal at the output with the input signal. Due to the fact that the music signal is constantly changing, the time delay (propagation delay) of the amplifier must be zero; otherwise, applying feedback will add timing errors to the music signal. In other words, if the propagation delay is not zero or close to zero the “feedback loop” will be comparing apples at the output to oranges at the input.

    Big solid-state amplifiers can have propagation delays of 1–5 microseconds. Now, the period of a 20kHz sine wave is 50 microseconds. Under these conditions such timing errors are significant—and they get even worse for higher frequencies. The Soulution amplifiers work with an overall propagation delay of 5–10 nanoseconds. This is up to 1000 times faster than other amplifiers. The voltage amplification stage—where we apply the most negative feedback—runs at 80MHz bandwidth and has a propagation delay of 1–2 nanoseconds. Since the timing errors of the Soulution amplifiers are negligible, this gives us the opportunity to apply as much negative “feedback” as we need wherever it is required in the amplifier without reducing sonic performance. This is how we can lower distortion to never-before-seen levels."

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    Interesting !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Interesting !

    Mark, thats what I was thinking too, because....., it's still negative feedback = noise. But, i will say that Soulution sure is sharp. Who knows, maybe it is a goody.

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    Re: Soulution 711

    Quote Originally Posted by sharkmouth View Post
    Mark, thats what I was thinking too, because....., it's still negative feedback = noise. But, i will say that Soulution sure is sharp. Who knows, maybe it is a goody.

    I spent 30 years hating anything using negative feedback due to the terrible sounding, low distortion, high negative feedback stuff of the late 70's early 80's until I studied what these guys are doing at the super high frequencies. Now the way I think of it is "slow" negative feedback = noise; "ultra-fast" negative feedback causes no time delay and no noise. I never dreamed I would change my mind on this but the more I see some of these cutting edge contrarian approaches the more I realize its not the approach its the execution. Same could be said of the switch mode power supplies Soulution is now using.

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    I'm a Soulution as most of you know. But I do not know a whole lot about their design. All I know is when I became a dealer Arturo told me they are doing things completely different than any other amp manufacturer. All I know is they make great sounding gear. I think too many people get caught up in the specs of an amplifier or preamp instead of just listening to the gear with your ears. One of my favorite amplifiers doesn't look good on paper and specs say it should not control the bass well but it is just the opposite of what it says on paper. It controls the bass as good as anything I have heard. The signal to noise ratio is also horrible but it's one of the quietest amplifiers I have heard. I read a bunch of soulution bashing on another forum and all they were doing was
    bashing the equipment based off the specs and the power supply and other internal parts that they were using. 90% of those people have not even listen to it. I know all of these things are part of the fun of the hobby but my point is just listen with your ears instead of trying to match equipment based off of specifications or design philosophy. I have said many times how fast certain amplifiers are such as soulution and Hegel But I have never looked at the slew rate to make that determination. I can hear it with my ears. The solution especially has a tremendous ability to stop and start back up. This is the reason I feel they have such great control and separation with the instruments. I don't know if a 520 soulution should work with a Hegel H30 on paper, but I do know it is an amazing combination. I am fairly new in the two channel side of this audio business so I'm not as educated on some of these things as most of you guys are so I have to just listen and learn as I go
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    I spent 30 years hating anything using negative feedback due to the terrible sounding, low distortion, high negative feedback stuff of the late 70's early 80's until I studied what these guys are doing at the super high frequencies. Now the way I think of it is "slow" negative feedback = noise; "ultra-fast" negative feedback causes no time delay and no noise. I never dreamed I would change my mind on this but the more I see some of these cutting edge contrarian approaches the more I realize its not the approach its the execution. Same could be said of the switch mode power supplies Soulution is now using.
    Quote Originally Posted by Design Audio Video View Post
    I'm a Soulution as most of you know. But I do not know a whole lot about their design. All I know is when I became a dealer Arturo told me they are doing things completely different than any other amp manufacturer. All I know is they make great sounding gear. I think too many people get caught up in the specs of an amplifier or preamp instead of just listening to the gear with your ears. One of my favorite amplifiers doesn't look good on paper and specs say it should not control the bass well but it is just the opposite of what it says on paper. It controls the bass as good as anything I have heard. The signal to noise ratio is also horrible but it's one of the quietest amplifiers I have heard. I read a bunch of soulution bashing on another forum and all they were doing was
    bashing the equipment based off the specs and the power supply and other internal parts that they were using. 90% of those people have not even listen to it. I know all of these things are part of the fun of the hobby but my point is just listen with your ears instead of trying to match equipment based off of specifications or design philosophy. I have said many times how fast certain amplifiers are such as soulution and Hegel But I have never looked at the slew rate to make that determination. I can hear it with my ears. The solution especially has a tremendous ability to stop and start back up. This is the reason I feel they have such great control and separation with the instruments. I don't know if a 520 soulution should work with a Hegel H30 on paper, but I do know it is an amazing combination. I am fairly new in the two channel side of this audio business so I'm not as educated on some of these things as most of you guys are so I have to just listen and learn as I go
    I am in total agreement with the both of you. It wasn't until I'd ordered my 520 that I found out about the smps in it, my Meitner MA-1 has smps too. The proof is in the listening & whenever I go to listen to someone else's system I ask if they'd like me to bring the pre-amp, always get a yes & never a bad comment, quite the opposite actually

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    Re: Soulution 711

    so with all that enormous control in the bass....does the bass sound thin or full enough?

    what your thoughts about a combination of 711 and levinson no.32..........or 711 and direct from nagra hd dac...?

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