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    Re: Soulution 711

    ahh i forgot the most important question.......

    711 vs pass xa 160.8

    any experiances...thoughts ?
    i know its something like 70k vs 30k...........here in europe its something like 45 vs 30.
    so without thinking about the price, like if someone offers you one for free.....which one would you take?

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    This year two soulution products got honored with the Golden Ear Award by The Absolute Sound!

    Soulution 701 Power Amplifier (by Robert Harely)
    A pair of power amplifiers that cost more than a Mercedes S-Class? Yes, but if you have the dough, I doubt that you’ll find a more musically compelling amplifier on the planet. The massive 701s break new ground in sheer dynamic verve and vivid immediacy. Although not forward –sounding, the 701s convey a sensational lifelike presence in both timbre and dynamics that put them in a class by themselves. Instrumental entrances fairly jump from the loudspeakers with hair-raising realism. And then there’s the phenomenal bass that must be heard to be believed. These amplifiers have a bottom-of-the-earth solidity and dynamic impact unlike any amplifier I’ve heard. The soulution 701 are mega-priced, but they also deliver mega-performance. (Review forthcoming)

    Soulution 711 Amplifier (by Jonathan Valin)
    This stereo version of the monoblocks Robert is also gracing with a Golden Ear Award is quite possibly the most exiting solid-state stereo amplifier I’ve heard in my home. Don’t let the 140Wpc power rating fool you – this thing is capable of virtually unlimited current and amperage regardless of the load. Dark and rich in tone color, blessed with tube-like dimensionality and bloom, sweet and subtle in the treble, immensely powerful and wonderfully well-defined in the bass, ultra-fast on transients, superb on resolving inner detail, with a sound-stage the size of the Ritz, I really don’t think the 711 has a weakness – or if it does I’m not hearing it with the Raidho D-5s. Other solid-state amplifiers may give you different sonic emphases – the less expensive Constellation Centaur, for example, isn’t as dark in tonal balance and it is at least as quick an detailed – and tubes and tube-hybrids (such as Sihltech’s marvellous SAGA System) obviously have their own unique charms, but overall I’ve not heard a solid-state amp that is more thrilling powerful or ravishingly beautiful or consistently lifelike than this beastie boy from Zurich. (Review forthcoming)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    This year two soulution products got honored with the Golden Ear Award by The Absolute Sound!

    Soulution 701 Power Amplifier (by Robert Harely)
    A pair of power amplifiers that cost more than a Mercedes S-Class? Yes, but if you have the dough, I doubt that you’ll find a more musically compelling amplifier on the planet. The massive 701s break new ground in sheer dynamic verve and vivid immediacy. Although not forward –sounding, the 701s convey a sensational lifelike presence in both timbre and dynamics that put them in a class by themselves. Instrumental entrances fairly jump from the loudspeakers with hair-raising realism. And then there’s the phenomenal bass that must be heard to be believed. These amplifiers have a bottom-of-the-earth solidity and dynamic impact unlike any amplifier I’ve heard. The soulution 701 are mega-priced, but they also deliver mega-performance. (Review forthcoming)

    Soulution 711 Amplifier (by Jonathan Valin)
    This stereo version of the monoblocks Robert is also gracing with a Golden Ear Award is quite possibly the most exiting solid-state stereo amplifier I’ve heard in my home. Don’t let the 140Wpc power rating fool you – this thing is capable of virtually unlimited current and amperage regardless of the load. Dark and rich in tone color, blessed with tube-like dimensionality and bloom, sweet and subtle in the treble, immensely powerful and wonderfully well-defined in the bass, ultra-fast on transients, superb on resolving inner detail, with a sound-stage the size of the Ritz, I really don’t think the 711 has a weakness – or if it does I’m not hearing it with the Raidho D-5s. Other solid-state amplifiers may give you different sonic emphases – the less expensive Constellation Centaur, for example, isn’t as dark in tonal balance and it is at least as quick an detailed – and tubes and tube-hybrids (such as Sihltech’s marvellous SAGA System) obviously have their own unique charms, but overall I’ve not heard a solid-state amp that is more thrilling powerful or ravishingly beautiful or consistently lifelike than this beastie boy from Zurich. (Review forthcoming)
    Thanks for posting.

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    I have used the ML No52 with the 711 and it sounded very good but I have noticed that to get the best performance and synergy out of solution amplifiers you need to use a solution preamp.
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    The Soulution preamp 520, in my room with the Hegel H30 is a great combination. I do not think the XA160.8 would be a match for the 711. I think the XS series would be a much more appropriate comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Design Audio Video View Post
    I have used the ML No52 with the 711 and it sounded very good but I have noticed that to get the best performance and synergy out of solution amplifiers you need to use a solution preamp.
    David,

    To get the best out of any amp you need to use a Soulution preamp......but of course I am not biased. or maybe this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    David,

    To get the best out of any amp you need to use a Soulution preamp......but of course I am not biased. or maybe this one
    Ha! You beat me to it.

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    Re: Soulution 711

    thx a LOT for all the information.

    yes, i am convinced too that a 725 would be the right preamp.....the 711 alone would already stretch my budget.......so the 725 maybe a couple yers later as a second hand.

    david, so for you the 711 is about in the same leage as the pass xs soundwise....or is it meant pricewise?

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    Re: Soulution 711

    one more question
    does the 711 needs 1 or 2 powercords? and what kind of a powercord?

    i cant see it myself
    http://www.soulution-audio.com/media...3_070_1002.gif

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    Re: Soulution 711

    The 711 also sounds fantastic with the 520 preamp,that would save you some money.
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    Re: Soulution 711

    yes....then again the 520 wont stop you thinking about the 725

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    Yes the 725 is a definite upgrade over the 520. The picture of the back of that amp is a 710 not a 711
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    From TAS review of 725, 711 and 701.

    Is Soulution still advocating a high-speed, high-feedback approach to circuit design in amps and preamps? Or have you changed or improved upon your approach?

    The audio sections of the 701/711 power amplifirs and the 725 preamplifir haven’t been changed. Their specifiations are still exactly the same as those of the older models. However, because of the large improvement in the “quality” of the supply voltages, the circuits are now better able to reveal their full potential.

    Both the new and the old power amplifirs work with close to zero (0.1dB) global negative feedback (where we have just 1MHz of bandwidth of work with), but we use a lot of negative feedback in the local loops (where bandwidth goes up to 200MHz). The speed of the feedback loop is absolutely key for best sonic results.

    In our original 700/710 amplifirs, voltage flctuations in the power supply to the power transistors of the output stage were compensated for by the global negative feedback loop. This worked quite effectively, although the feedback loop had to intervene more actively the higher the flctuations were. The 1MHz bandwidth of the global-feedback loop, usually considered very high compared to the audio bandwidth of 20kHz, turned out to be way too low not to have any sonic impact. This was exactly why we applied very little negative feedback in the global loop, although it also implied that every deviation that got corrected by this loop would have a sonic impact. By improving the performance of the power supplies in the 701/711 (and effectively eliminating voltage flctuations to the power transistors), we actually made the global feedback loop more or less redundant.

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    Re: Soulution 711

    Good post; timely too. I have been contemplating the merits of upgrading my 721.

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    Paul, about time you updated your signature!

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    Yes Kev, I am making a snail look fast.

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    Paul, when do you plan on doing the Torus Wall Mount install?
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    Le Roy, I have been out west skiing but I think it hit my dock in Elgin last week (it was supposed to). I will check when I go into the office Monday. I will get going in the next couple of weeks but again am not in a hurry because I am still lining up my vinyl as the next priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexibleAudio View Post
    Le Roy, I have been out west skiing but I think it hit my dock in Elgin last week (it was supposed to). I will check when I go into the office Monday. I will get going in the next couple of weeks but again am not in a hurry because I am still lining up my vinyl as the next priority.
    Paul,

    It's been fun to watch your amazing audio journey. I guess my signature line is under construction too. I'm mostly swapping gear but it's really neat to see you methodically build your system from scratch.

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    Thanks Ken....just make sure you don't try to set your watch by my rate of progress; you will be late for work.

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    Paul,

    LOL, but you'll get it right the first time. I actually got the idea to go for my Soulution 501's from watching you build your system, so I owe you a big thank you because they sound absolutely wonderful. They are lightning fast, have huge dynamics and amazing timbral purity. I can't wait to add a 520 in the signal chain and hear what that does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Paul,

    LOL, but you'll get it right the first time. I actually got the idea to go for my Soulution 501's from watching you build your system, so I owe you a big thank you because they sound absolutely wonderful. They are lightning fast, have huge dynamics and amazing timbral purity. I can't wait to add a 520 in the signal chain and hear what that does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Ken, you should hear how good your amps are on the D3's
    Hi Mark,

    Yup, that's one of the main reasons I got the 501's, their wonderful synergy with Raidho speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Paul,

    LOL, but you'll get it right the first time. I actually got the idea to go for my Soulution 501's from watching you build your system, so I owe you a big thank you because they sound absolutely wonderful. They are lightning fast, have huge dynamics and amazing timbral purity. I can't wait to add a 520 in the signal chain and hear what that does.

    Ken

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    Some new pics and technical info.





    711 uses 8 Sanken 2SC3519 and 8 2SA1386 bipolar output transistors pr side, each deliver up to 15A each.
    That gives an absolute max output current of 120A.

    711 is fast, slew rate rise time is 170V and fall time is 200V.
    Damping factor in 8 ohm at 1kHz is around 5600 (halves in lower impedances) = a lot of local feedback is used.


    Compared to D'Agostino Momentum Stereo:

    It uses 6 Sanken 2SC6145A and 6 2SA2223A bipolar output transistors pr side, each deliver up to 15A each.
    Max output is 90A.

    Slew rate is slower at 80V, but it's fast compared to many other brands.
    Damping factor is 53 because of only 5dB local feedback.

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    Interesting comparison.

    Thanks
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    Compared to two more:

    Tidal Impulse Stereo:

    It uses 4 Sanken 2SC2921 and 4 2SA1215 bipolar output transistors pr side, each deliver up to 15A each.
    Max output is 60A.

    Slew rate is 60V and damping factor is 400.


    Wells Audio Innamorata Signature:

    It uses 4 Toshiba 2SC5200 and 4 Toshiba 2SA1943 bipolar output transistors pr side, each deliver up to 15A each.
    Max output is 60A.

    Slew rate is ?, but damping factor is 200.

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    Compared to Accuphase:

    A-70:

    It uses 10 2SK3497 and 10 2SJ318 Mosfet output transistors pr side, each deliver continuous up to 10A each.
    But unlike bipolar mosfet like heat. They can be used up to 150 degrees - if under it the mosfets can deliver up to 20A peak and 30A pulse power each.

    Slew rate is ?, but damping factor is 800 means a lot of global feedback is used.


    M-6000:

    It uses 8 2SK3497 and 8 2SJ318 Mosfet output transistors pr side, each deliver continuous up to 10A each.
    Slew rate is fast - rise time is 100V and fall time is 150V.

    Residual noise which is not normal S/N specs on M-6000 is phenomenal -119,5dB.
    On the older Soulution 710 not so good - unbalanced/balanced -113/-102dB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard View Post
    Compared to Accuphase:

    A-70:

    It uses 10 2SK3497 and 10 2SJ318 Mosfet output transistors pr side, each deliver continuous up to 10A each.
    But unlike bipolar mosfet like heat. They can be used up to 150 degrees - if under it the mosfets can deliver up to 20A peak and 30A pulse power each.

    Slew rate is ?, but damping factor is 800 means a lot of global feedback is used.


    M-6000:

    It uses 8 2SK3497 and 8 2SJ318 Mosfet output transistors pr side, each deliver continuous up to 10A each.
    Slew rate is fast - rise time is 100V and fall time is 150V.

    Residual noise specs on M-6000 is phenomenal - close to -120dB.
    On Soulution not so good - unbalanced/balanced -113/-102dB.
    I believe these are the ratings for the 710. The SMPS in the 711 significantly improved the noise floor. The web site failed to update this stat in the ratings spec on the site but added the following:

    "Noisefloor reduced by SMPS Technologie

    The noisefloor measurement of the 710 stereo*amplifier clearly shows the in*fluence of the big toroidal trans*formers. Despite massive shielding of these trans*formers thte magnetic fields could cound induce noise arte*facts with amplitudes of -100dBr compared to the music signal. This is "state of the art" although it would be better to not have any noise artefacts at all. With our new SMPS based power supply we could significantly reduce this impact. The noise*floor measurements shows as well that the SMPS modules do not emmit any residual noise. A clear improvement!"


    Noisefloor for 710 Stereoamplifier



    Noisefloor for 711 Stereoamplifier


    The 701 noise floor is claimed to be -160 db; the 711 is not not too far behind that (cross talk aside).
    Attached Images Attached Images

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    I've corrected it:

    Residual noise which is not normal S/N specs on M-6000 is phenomenal -119,5 dBr.
    I believe this is because of the global double feedback and instrumentation input amplifier they use.

    On the older Soulution 710 not so good - unbalanced/balanced -113/-102 dBr.
    S/N on 710 was -107 dB.

    S/N on the 720 preamp was -140 dB, but residual or silent noise is unbalanced/balanced -116,5/-102 dBr.

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    Here's the residual spec of 710 at Stereophile.


    Soulution 710, spectrum of 1kHz sinewave, DC–10kHz, at 101W into 8 ohms (left channel blue, right red; linear frequency scale).

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    Re: Soulution 711

    Is there a preference to running the 711 / 701 / 725 balanced or single ended? Has anyone done any comparisons?

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    Re: Soulution 711

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    Last time I was at Davids, it was the best thing we listened to also. I was surprised because I really haven't liked past versions of Solution gear.
    Hi Jock,

    I have a system similar to yours, a full Naim 500 series, except for the speakers. I have the Magico S3 MkII.

    I'm planning some changes.

    Changing speakers for a pair of Magico M2, or changing electronics for a Soulution 760 DAC and Soulution 711 amplifier combo.

    Considering you own a Naim/Magico system and have auditioned the Soulution 711 I thought your opinion could be of some help.

    Considering that I listen mostly to classical music and value instruments separation, layering and accuracy in sound-stage, I believe changing electronics could bring a lot, perhaps more than changing speakers.

    Thanks for your help, inputs.

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