Thread: Typhon QR

I was reading on another site about the Denali, and the Typhon QR was mentioned. I looked on the Shunyata site, and all it says is 'Coming Soon'.

Anyone know what is the difference between a Typhon and a Typhon QR? Will there be an upgrade path for Typhon owners?

The TRITON and TYPHON is a two chassis system. The TYPHON was designed from the beginning to be the second half of our reference power distribution system. It is essentially a pre-filter for the TRITON. Instead of creating a very large power distributor, we split the functions into two chassis. This keeps each chassis to a manageable size and weight. Also, it allows the customer to start with the TRITON and upgrade at a later date to the full reference system (TRITON & TYPHON).

Caelin, thanks, but is this something different than what current Typhon owners have? It looks like now the AC in goes to the Typhon versus the Triton. If this is different than the current Typhon will there be an upgrade program?

What sort of performance upgrade is the QR over the current Typhon?

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Caelin, thanks, but is this something different than what current Typhon owners have? It looks like now the AC in goes to the Typhon versus the Triton.

The original TYPHON was introduced in December of 2011. Since that time, the TRITON has been revised twice. The TRITON v3 is the current version. The TYPHON is compatible with all versions of the TRITON including version 1, 2 and 3.

Is this different than the current Typhon.

The original TYPHON was a 'parallel' device. It connected to the TRITON via an umbilical cable that plugged into one of the TRITON AC sockets. Therefore, the TYPHON was not in the current path. It was simply a secondary noise reduction filter, although a very large one.

The new TYPHON QR is a series device connecting inline with the TRITON. So, the TQR connects to the wall socket. Then, the TRITON plugs into the TQR via an included umbilical cable.

Essentially, the TQR is a completely different device than the original TYPHON although it performs the same function as a performance adjunct to the TRITON. The only thing that the TQR has in common with the original is the chassis and faceplate design.

What sort of performance upgrade is the QR over the current Typhon?

Substantial according to the beta-testers.

Will there be an upgrade program?

We are committed to our loyal reference customers and have made it possible to upgrade the original TRITON to version 2 and then later to the current version 3 at very reasonable prices. Unfortunately, the technology in the TQR is completely different than the original and does not share any common internal parts. Additionally, since it is now a series device, it has completely different connectors on the back of the chassis. So, an upgrade path is simply not possible. Sorry.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

The original TYPHON was introduced in December of 2011. Since that time, the TRITON has been revised twice. The TRITON v3 is the current version. The TYPHON is compatible with all versions of the TRITON including version 1, 2 and 3.

The original TYPHON was a 'parallel' device. It connected to the TRITON via an umbilical cable that plugged into one of the TRITON A ...

Can you speak to the implications of using the new Typhon QR and Triton v3 while still connecting a version 1 Typhon in parallel with the Triton v3? I mean, why not?

When is the new Typhon QR available?

Thanks in Advance!

Thanks Caelin. The new Typhon sounds like a whole new architecture, and other than the name, has nothing in common with the original Typhon. Looking forward to hearing/reading more about it.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Thanks Caelin. The new Typhon sounds like a whole new architecture, and other than the name, has nothing in common with the original Typhon. Looking forward to hearing/reading more about it.

Time and technology are marching forward. The TQR serves the same purpose as the original just with better technology.

Originally Posted by Rnrmf

Can you speak to the implications of using the new Typhon QR and Triton v3 while still connecting a version 1 Typhon in parallel with the Triton v3? I mean, why not?

When is the new Typhon QR available?

Thanks in Advance!

Performance with the original Typhon was additive. The more units you connected the better the performance. We actually tested as many as 5 units connected to the same power line before we reached diminishing returns. But this is just a bit nuts and really expensive. One is plenty to do the job unless you are a certified member of the "lunatic fringe".

One alternative you might want to try since you will have the original and the new TQR is to use the original exclusively for the amplifiers. Connect the Typhon to the circuit powering the amplifiers.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

Time and technology are marching forward. The TQR serves the same purpose as the original just with better technology.

Thanks Caelin. At some point I need to quit spending money on stereo gear, but I guess I will think of this once it becomes available. I can move my current Typhon into the HT with that Triton v3, and put the QR into the stereo. Assuming it isn't going to cost $10K.

Caelin - Are you launching the new Typhon at Axpona this year? Thx!

Originally Posted by CGabriel

Performance with the original Typhon was additive. The more units you connected the better the performance. We actually tested as many as 5 units connected to the same power line before we reached diminishing returns. But this is just a bit nuts and really expensive. One is plenty to do the job unless you are a certified member of the "lunatic fringe".

One alternative you might want to try since you will have the original and the new TQR is to use the original exclusively for the amplifiers. Connect the Typhon to the circuit powering the amplifiers.

Being on the cusp of the fringe, I already have 2 Typhons. I added the second one on the same circuit as my amps. I realized the benefits of using a Typhon on my amp circuit because I had my first Typhon before my Triton shipped to me and when I removed it from the amp circuit to use with the Triton, I became aware of an edge and haze that bothered me. The second Typhon took care of that.

If (when) I get a Typhon QR, I’ll use my second Typhon wherever it provides the greatest listening benefit.

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Caelin - Are you launching the new Typhon at Axpona this year? Thx!

We are taking orders now. Deliveries will commence in about 2-3 weeks.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

We are taking orders now. Deliveries will commence in about 2-3 weeks.

Does the new umbilical to attach to the Triton v3 come with the Typhon, or is that another line item?

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Does the new umbilical to attach to the Triton v3 come with the Typhon, or is that another line item?

The TYPHON Umbilical cable is a special cable designed specifically to connect the TYPHON QR to the TRITON. It is included with the TYPHON at no additional charge. At its core, it is a Sigma EF class cable with special IEC terminations. The standard length is 1 meter which is ideal for performance and enough length to place the two units on side-by-side racks or on the same rack.

This seems like it would be the ultimate D2000T/Cyclops for amps. Of course a special power cord would be needed.

Originally Posted by the professor

This seems like it would be the ultimate D2000T/Cyclops for amps. Of course a special power cord would be needed.

Yes, many people have used the original Typhon as a performance enhancement to their amplifiers. The main difference is that the Typhon was connected in parallel to the amp while the new TQR connects in series to the amplifier. If you order the TQR for a dedicated amplifier we will terminate the Typhon Umbilical with the appropriate connector.

Cool

I've used the original Typhons with my amps for several years now. The difference was substantial. Can't wait to hear how the new typhon sounds!!!

The following is going up on the website today.

Shunyata Research’s Hydra Triton power distributor was originally conceived as a reference caliber power distributor. As the project evolved, the Triton’s size and cost escalated beyond practical limits. The file-cabinet sized prototype was temporarily shelved while options were considered to reduce the unit’s massive size and weight. Designer Caelin Gabriel created a solution by dividing the original design into two separate units. The first chassis, dubbed Triton, served as the power distributor with eight outlets. The second chassis, dubbed Typhon, was identical in size and served as a dedicated pre-filter for the Triton. This design completed Gabriel’s original vision for the ultimate audio performance power distributor.

Since its release in 2011, the Hydra Triton and Typhon became the most critically and professionally endorsed product of its kind, receiving awards and accolades from recording professionals and the world’s top magazines. Pushing the boundaries of performance through design innovation and patented science has always separated Shunyata Research product designs from others in their category.

Hydra Typhon QR represents an advancement in technology and performance of the original Hydra Typhon. Technologies derived from the Hydra Denali Series have transformed medical-imaging performance in the high-tech field of electrophysiology. Gabriel has applied these and the knowledge gained in his 25 years of research and development into the new Triton v3 and Typhon QR products.
The Hydra Typhon QR includes the QR/BB technology pioneered in the Hydra Denali. However, the Typhon NICs and QR/BBs are nine times the volume of those used in the Denali.

Subjective impressions of the Typhon’s performance include enhanced spatial and low-level detail information. Many reviewers report that it recovers obscured recorded information, unintelligible words, blurred instrumental passages or ambient information that may be buried in the noise floor. Although the Triton has been critically acknowledged for reproducing state-of-the-art scale and micro-dynamic contrasts in sound, the Typhon further solidifies instruments, voices and images as vivid three dimensional characters within the recording. Some report that it expands the depth of field, perceived volume of recorded space and spatial information to the extent that it perfectly recreates the venue in which the performance was recorded.

Alternative Typhon to Amplifier Application

The Typhon QR may also be used as a stand-alone unit to provide power to amplifiers. No Triton is required for this application. Simply plug the Typhon directly into the AC wall outlet. Then use the Typhon Umbilical cable to connect to the amplifier. This application requires a custom termination of the Typhon Umbilical to match the inlet of the specific amplifier. (Consult with your audio dealer)

This is definitely a unit that I look forward to the already formidable and amazing results I am hearing with the new TRITON v3; it's the best
power conditioner of any kind that I've ever owned, bar none!

Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining. Remember, there are NO dumb questions.

My gut says yes. But I think it is something you would have to try. Let us know if you have a change to try it.

Originally Posted by Gondo101

Sorry for my dumb question, will it be beneficial to connect Typhon QR to Denali 6000/s

Originally Posted by Gondo101

Sorry for my dumb question, will it be beneficial to connect Typhon QR to Denali 6000/s

Yes, it is a very substantial upgrade. We recently did a demo with a D6000/T then added the Typhon QR in series. The new QR version works very well with the Denali products.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

Yes, it is a very substantial upgrade. We recently did a demo with a D6000/T then added the Typhon QR in series. The new QR version works very well with the Denali products.

Caelin,

I currently have a Denali 6000/T. Since they are the same price, which upgrade would yield the most improvement - trading in my Denali towards a Triton V3, or adding the Typhon QR to the Denali? Unfortunately, a Triton + Typhon is beyond my budget for the foreseeable future...

Thanks for being so available, and participating in these forums!

Originally Posted by Crumhorn

Caelin,

I currently have a Denali 6000/T. Since they are the same price, which upgrade would yield the most improvement - trading in my Denali towards a Triton V3, or adding the Typhon QR to the Denali? Unfortunately, a Triton + Typhon is beyond my budget for the foreseeable future...

Thanks for being so available, and participating in these forums!

I would get the Triton v3 (Tv3j. It is vastly (JMO) superior to the Denali sonically. And it includes an advanced grounding system (CGS) which is similar in function to the Tripoint or Entreq grounding boxes. We built the Triton/Typhon reference system as two separate boxes intentionally so that you could get the Triton first and upgrade to the full system at a later date when finances permit. JFYI, since the Typhon QR is just hitting the market, there will probably be people selling their original Typhon to upgrade which means you could get a used one at a significant savings.

I received my 2 Typhon QRs. And in both cases - WOW!

I'm using one feeding a Triton V3 and compared to the older Typhon, I'd say it's on a magnitude of 5 times what you get with the older Typhon in the same system.

I'm using the other one to feed the Gryphon Diablo. I'm using the dac that is internal to the Diablo, so basically the Typhon QR is feeding the Dac, Preamp and power amp. It makes the already supper quiet Diablo to another level. Just amazing. On top of more blackness, its so smooth but also more dynamic at the same time.

The only little nit - the cable that they include to go from the Typhon QR to Triton or amp depending on what you order, seems loose when you plug it into the back of the typhon. Usually Shunyata's plugs fit tight, almost too tight in fact so this is unusual.

Great addition!!!!!

Originally Posted by Gondo101

Dear Caelin,
I read that Triton has better dynamics vs. Denali. However I love my Denali 6000 as it makes my system smoother which I believe due to its impact to my digital source and solid state preamp.
Now I am thinking to connect Typhon QR to my power amp, but as they are monoblocks, do you think it will be a good idea to have cyclops or hydra 2 after typhon QR? If so is it possible to order with short umbilical cable (say 1 foot or 2 feet only)?

thanks in advance for your advice

Sorry for the delay in response.

Yes, the Cyclops or Hydra-2 would work just fine. The Venom PS8 is also a very high-end way to expand the number of outlets even though it is relatively inexpensive. I often recommend it to people who need more outlets than the Denali or Triton provide.

If you want to go hog wild - get a Denali D2000/T with a Typhon QR feeding it. A bit pricey however.

The Typhon QR comes with a 1.5 meter umbilical cable as standard equipment. No extra charge. This cable is equivalent to our reference Sigma EF in performance. The standard connector is a C19 since the Typhon QR was designed to feed power to a Triton. However, we will build a custom cable for you, at no extra charge, with a C15 connector to feed an amplifier. We can also make a longer umbilical if required but you must pay the extra length charge.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by the professor

I received my 2 Typhon QRs. And in both cases - WOW!

I'm using one feeding a Triton V3 and compared to the older Typhon, I'd say it's on a magnitude of 5 times what you get with the older Typhon in the same system.

I'm using the other one to feed the Gryphon Diablo. I'm using the dac that is internal to the Diablo, so basically the Typhon QR is feeding the Dac, Preamp and power amp. It makes the already supper quiet Diablo to another level. Just amazing. On top of more blackness, its so smooth but also more dynamic at the same time.

The only little nit - the cable that they include to go from the Typhon QR to Triton or amp depending on what you order, seems loose when you plug it into the back of the typhon. Usually Shunyata's plugs fit tight, almost too tight in fact so this is unusual.

Great addition!!!!!

Agree that the Typhon QR has that WOW! factor. I've reached a point listening to it coupled/driving the Triton v3 where all the fancy
audio-nut phrases are getting dropped and all I can say is that with it, my system JUST SOUNDS LIKE GREAT MUSIC!!!

I don't have a loose umbilical coupling issue here; it's not quite as tight at the Triton v3 but it is definitely not loose. You may want
to drop Shunyata/your dealer a note for suggestions.

Shunyata sure is kicking some butt these days. Great projects.

Caelin - when do you think we will see the USB cables?

Originally Posted by Mike

Shunyata sure is kicking some butt these days. Great projects.

Caelin - when do you think we will see the USB cables?

We actually brought the Alpha USB to the Munich show.
It will be announced within a week or so.
Then, the Sigma version will follow along in just a few weeks.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

We actually brought the Alpha USB to the Munich show.
It will be announced within a week or so.
Then, the Sigma version will follow along in just a few weeks.

I still have your Sigma USB prototype and no, you’re not getting it back. You couldn’t pry it from me. Ever. Never. Ok, I’ll trade it for the final version when it’s ready.

When people hear the Sigma USB, there will be a fire sale on other brands of USB cables. It’s at a whole new level of usb cable performance.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

We actually brought the Alpha USB to the Munich show.
It will be announced within a week or so.
Then, the Sigma version will follow along in just a few weeks.

Heard the Alpha cables in Munich, very nice. That’s likely to be my next loom.

Richard was also kind enough to elaborate on the upgrades in the Triton to current V3 model. I’m a bit tempted.


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Originally Posted by Gondo101

Thanks a lot for the advice Caelin.
on your suggestion to connect Typhon QR with Denali 2000T, I understand that the QR BB module size of Denali 2000T is nine time smaller than Typhon’s, won’t it be negate the “efficacy”of the Typhon’s WR BB since it’s much bigger than 2000 T’s?

Usually, we tell people NOT to cascade power conditioners since the effects are negative or unpredictable.

But the TQR is a different type of device. Connecting multiple Typhons is “additive” whether you use them with a Triton, Denali or older Hydra power distributors. We have even had people speculate about getting a TQR and then connecting a Venom PS8 to give the TQR eight outlets. Something to think about there.

But the answer the short answer is that the D2/T would be a positive when used with the TQR and vice-versa.

Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.

Originally Posted by chekin

Caelin,

I am living in Asia and I currently have a Triton v2 and it performs very well with my system now.
Since they are at similar price, which upgrade would yield the most improvement - upgrading my Triton v2 to v3 plus a second-hand Typhon, or simply adding the Typhon QR to my Triton v2? May I know the sonic difference?

Thank you very much for your kind advice!

Does a v2 to v3 upgrade really cost $9K in Asia? I guess shipping and exchange rates could affect the price. I forgot what I paid for my upgrade, but it wasn’t $9K.

Anyway, great question. I noticed going from v2 to v3 on my Triton wasn’t as big an upgrade as was going from v1 to v2.

Originally Posted by chekin

Caelin,

I am living in Asia and I currently have a Triton v2 and it performs very well with my system now.
Since they are at similar price, which upgrade would yield the most improvement - upgrading my Triton v2 to v3 plus a second-hand Typhon, or simply adding the Typhon QR to my Triton v2? May I know the sonic difference?

Thank you very much for your kind advice!

It is a tough decision because both are a substantial improvement.

But the Typhon is a very special product. It really does something for the system that cannot be duplicated with an other product or equipment upgrade. I would get the Tyohon. Then upgrade the Triton at a later date.