Thread: Shunyata Typhon T2

Before the Typhon T2 the options were Omega QR and keep the layout. Or go Typhon QR for each amp.

But yes, upgrade to XC. Sigma HC is a bit blurry in comparison.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

As a follow up to my earlier question regarding Denali 6000T v2 + Typhon T2 combination vs. Everest...

If someone has more than one 20A line to use, as I do, would it be better to have the Denali on one line for all but the amp(s) and the Typhon T2 on the other line for just the amp(s), as opposed to using an Everest for everything on just one line? It seems like that would be the case.

Given that Shunyata has stated that a combo of Denali 6000 v2 and Typhon provides a bit more absolute performance than Everest alone, that seems like a reasonable hypothesis. But, I've gotten to the point where I view things in terms of what I refer to as "practically significant". That is, what matters in the real world. So, with respect to Denali v2/Typhon T2 > Everest? My understanding is, at least from a "statisically significant" difference, Yes. But, would it be practically significant enough for me to sell my Everest and get a Denali v2 and Typhon T2 just to have that little bit more performance? No.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

Also, looking down the road to using the Altair grounding system, is there a difference in the GCS performance between T2 and Everest?

Again, I don't think there would be, from any practically significant perspective, but I don't think any of us would be able to say definitively at this point, simply because Typhon T2 has just come on the market.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

Thanks Stephen. I understand there's really not any real world experience with the Typhon T2 but was really just asking from the standpoint of the tech/components involved for those who know and understand it.

I ask all of this as one who found the jump from Denali 6000T v1 to v2 a game (and system) changer in terms of performance. Particularly for amps, which definitely benefit from it unlike any other of many power conditioning type products I've ever tried from Shunyata and various others. I'm sure it's even more pronounced with Everest and Typhon T2. So the new generation Shunyata power distributors seem to be on an eintirely different level than their past products.

Hi Rance,
That's great news and info with your experiences with the Denali V2; it was the same for me when I went from the original Triton v1 to Denali V2, and especially so upgraded from a Delta PC to a Sigma XC power cable. That was a big improvement.

But...adding Everest, I gotta say, was just an amazing improvement. I clearly remember that after the evening I added it into the system, I went to bed shaking my head in disbelief. Whoa!

I'm sure that adding a Typhon T2 in conjunction with a Denali v2 would be pretty dang amazing if it even slightly out-performed Everest alone.

And yes, the new generation Shunyata power distributors are definitely on another level altogether from the previous gen ones, at least in my experience of owning three previous generation models (or four, if you count my Denali v2). In particular, the bigger and improved QR/BB devices REALLY brings a lot to the party. Again, Everest just frickin' blew my mind when I added to my system.

Cheers, buddy!

Originally Posted by Dizzie

Any user experience to report yet?

A friend of mine told me just today he's using a pair of Typhon T2 with his Nagra HD monoblocks. Here's what he said about using Typhon T2 with his amps:

"My sound is better than I thought possible. The Typhon’s are amazing how they tighten up the low end and assist with dynamic passages"

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

A friend of mine told me just today he's using a pair of Typhon T2 with his Nagra HD monoblocks. Here's what he said about using Typhon T2 with his amps:

"My sound is better than I thought possible. The Typhon’s are amazing how they tighten up the low end and assist with dynamic passages"

interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?
does he connect the monoblocks direct to the t2 with the t2 umbilical?

do you know what pre he does use?

Originally Posted by u-sound

interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?

Yes, a T2 for each amplifier, so two T2s. I imagine he simply plugs the amps into one of the AC outlets on the Typhon T2, but he didn't specify. The amps also have dedicated Altaira SG hubs, one for each amp.

He uses an Everest for all the other components. The Everest is sitting on it's own Artesania rack, and the source components are also on their own Artesania rack. Knowing him, I'd presume multiple Altaira hubs for the source amplification components, also. Omega PCs and CGCs all 'round.

Originally Posted by u-sound

do you know what pre he does use?

Nagra HD dual-mono preamp with external power supply.


My friend doesn't mess around...

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

Originally Posted by u-sound

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

I am using the Altaira Signal Hub on my Nagra HD DAC X, among other devices.

Regarding the Everest vs Denali v2/Typhon T2, doesn’t the Everest still have the advantage because of the CMode noise filter?

Originally Posted by u-sound

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

My guess is he's using Altairas everywhere. For components that don't have a dedicated ground termimal, you can use an unused interface jack, e.g. an XLR or RCA and connect those ground cables to Altaira. For a dual-mono pre like the Nagra, you'd use two, one for each channel. This is how I connect the Constellation Inspiration integrated, FWIW. For digital components that don't have a dedicated ground terminal, you can connect using an unused S/PDIF port, AES/EBU, USB port, etc. You can also connect Ethernet switches using an unused RJ45 port, as well, for example.

You should only use the Altaira ground hubs if there is a direct connection to AC ground and where you are connecting the hub. So XLR/RCA/etc may not be the solution if you don’t have direct continuity (<1ohm resistance) between the ground point and the AC ground pin on the power connector.

Originally Posted by Surge

You should only use the Altaira ground hubs if there is a direct connection to AC ground and where you are connecting the hub. So XLR/RCA/etc may not be the solution if you don’t have direct continuity (<1ohm resistance) between the ground point and the AC ground pin on the power connector.

Yes, that's correct, that's why you perform the continuity to ground test between the ground point for the interface (e.g. the outer barrel for RCA) and AC ground pin on the IEC receptacle with an ohm meter, first.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

My guess is he's using Altairas everywhere. For components that don't have a dedicated ground termimal, you can use an unused interface jack, e.g. an XLR or RCA and connect those ground cables to Altaira. For a dual-mono pre like the Nagra, you'd use two, one for each channel. This is how I connect the Constellation Inspiration integrated, FWIW. For digital components that don't have a dedicated ground terminal, you can connect using an unused S/PDIF port, AES/EBU, USB port, etc. You can also connect Ethernet switches using an unused RJ45 port, as well, for example.

Stephen,

Are you saying that you are using (2) ground wires from your dual mono Constellation integrated, left and right channels, to a SINGLE Altaira or are you using a PAIR of Altaira’s, one dedicated Altaira to each channel of the Constellation? Thx.

Jason


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Originally Posted by j3brow

Stephen,

Are you saying that you are using (2) ground wires from your dual mono Constellation integrated, left and right channels, to a SINGLE Altaira or are you using a PAIR of Altaira’s, one dedicated Altaira to each channel of the Constellation? Thx.

Jason

Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm using two Alpha ground cables with XLR tails connecting to the Inspiration's L/R XLR outputs, with each channel's Alpha cable connected to it's own "dedicated" zone on Altaira, and also two Venom RCA ground cables connected to a pair of unused L/R RCA inputs, and each of those Venom CGCs going to it's own dedicated zone on an SG Altaira, for a total of 4 connections to that Altaira. That Altaira is thus dedicated solely to the Constellation integrated, no other components, and is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

Similarly, I have the Lumn P1 configured in a similar manner, with it's chassis ground terminal connecting to the "digital-dedicated" Altaira, along with a CGC connected from the S/PDIF input to that same Altaira. That "digital-dedicated" Altaira is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

So, the Lumin P1 and the Constellation each have their own dedicated SG Altaira.

Ideally, though, as you've noted, if I had the budget, I'd have an SG Altaira dedicated to each channel of the Constellation. That would be the optimal set-up.

And let me tell you, connecting the Constellation to it's own dedicated Altaira takes it to another level ALTOGETHER...whoa.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm using two Alpha ground cables with XLR tails connecting to the Inspiration's L/R XLR outputs, with each channel's Alpha cable connected to it's own "dedicated" zone on Altaira, and also two Venom RCA ground cables connected to a pair of unused L/R RCA inputs, and each of those Venom CGCs going to it's own dedicated zone on an SG Altaira, for a total of 4 connections to that Altaira. That Altaira is thus dedicated solely to the Constellation integrated, no other components, and is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

Similarly, I have the Lumn P1 configured in a similar manner, with it's chassis ground terminal connecting to the "digital-dedicated" Altaira, along with a CGC connected from the S/PDIF input to that same Altaira. That "digital-dedicated" Altaira is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

So, the Lumin P1 and the Constellation each have their own dedicated SG Altaira.

Ideally, though, as you've noted, if I had the budget, I'd have an SG Altaira dedicated to each channel of the Constellation. That would be the optimal set-up.

And let me tell you, connecting the Constellation to it's own dedicated Altaira takes it to another level ALTOGETHER...whoa.

Got it, understand now. Glad to learn that a dual mono pre/integrated can have each channel connected to a single SG Altaira, each channel to a separate zone on same Altaira. If one desires, can separate L/R on separate Altaira’s down the road. This just made my path a little easier. Thanks.

Jason


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Originally Posted by Surge

I am using the Altaira Signal Hub on my Nagra HD DAC X, among other devices.

thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)

Originally Posted by u-sound

thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)

I can't speak for Surge's experience, but everything I've connected an Altaira to results in improved audio quality. Some device connections provide a greater magnitude of improvement than others, so experiment and see what works best in your specific configuration. Even my connecting EtherREGEN's ground terminal provided an improvement (actually connecting ER made for a notable improvement).

It is very important for both safety and application reasons, to read the various and comprehensive guides from Shunyata before installing Altaira(s) and making connections.

Bear in mind that for some components, e.g. my Oppo BD-83SE, which does not have a ground pin in the IEC AC receptacle, you should not connect that component to an Altaira.