Thread: Shunyata Typhon T2

Before the Typhon T2 the options were Omega QR and keep the layout. Or go Typhon QR for each amp.

But yes, upgrade to XC. Sigma HC is a bit blurry in comparison.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

As a follow up to my earlier question regarding Denali 6000T v2 + Typhon T2 combination vs. Everest...

If someone has more than one 20A line to use, as I do, would it be better to have the Denali on one line for all but the amp(s) and the Typhon T2 on the other line for just the amp(s), as opposed to using an Everest for everything on just one line? It seems like that would be the case.

Given that Shunyata has stated that a combo of Denali 6000 v2 and Typhon provides a bit more absolute performance than Everest alone, that seems like a reasonable hypothesis. But, I've gotten to the point where I view things in terms of what I refer to as "practically significant". That is, what matters in the real world. So, with respect to Denali v2/Typhon T2 > Everest? My understanding is, at least from a "statisically significant" difference, Yes. But, would it be practically significant enough for me to sell my Everest and get a Denali v2 and Typhon T2 just to have that little bit more performance? No.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

Also, looking down the road to using the Altair grounding system, is there a difference in the GCS performance between T2 and Everest?

Again, I don't think there would be, from any practically significant perspective, but I don't think any of us would be able to say definitively at this point, simply because Typhon T2 has just come on the market.

Originally Posted by rrwmd

Thanks Stephen. I understand there's really not any real world experience with the Typhon T2 but was really just asking from the standpoint of the tech/components involved for those who know and understand it.

I ask all of this as one who found the jump from Denali 6000T v1 to v2 a game (and system) changer in terms of performance. Particularly for amps, which definitely benefit from it unlike any other of many power conditioning type products I've ever tried from Shunyata and various others. I'm sure it's even more pronounced with Everest and Typhon T2. So the new generation Shunyata power distributors seem to be on an eintirely different level than their past products.

Hi Rance,
That's great news and info with your experiences with the Denali V2; it was the same for me when I went from the original Triton v1 to Denali V2, and especially so upgraded from a Delta PC to a Sigma XC power cable. That was a big improvement.

But...adding Everest, I gotta say, was just an amazing improvement. I clearly remember that after the evening I added it into the system, I went to bed shaking my head in disbelief. Whoa!

I'm sure that adding a Typhon T2 in conjunction with a Denali v2 would be pretty dang amazing if it even slightly out-performed Everest alone.

And yes, the new generation Shunyata power distributors are definitely on another level altogether from the previous gen ones, at least in my experience of owning three previous generation models (or four, if you count my Denali v2). In particular, the bigger and improved QR/BB devices REALLY brings a lot to the party. Again, Everest just frickin' blew my mind when I added to my system.

Cheers, buddy!

Originally Posted by Dizzie

Any user experience to report yet?

A friend of mine told me just today he's using a pair of Typhon T2 with his Nagra HD monoblocks. Here's what he said about using Typhon T2 with his amps:

"My sound is better than I thought possible. The Typhon’s are amazing how they tighten up the low end and assist with dynamic passages"

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

A friend of mine told me just today he's using a pair of Typhon T2 with his Nagra HD monoblocks. Here's what he said about using Typhon T2 with his amps:

"My sound is better than I thought possible. The Typhon’s are amazing how they tighten up the low end and assist with dynamic passages"

interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?
does he connect the monoblocks direct to the t2 with the t2 umbilical?

do you know what pre he does use?

Originally Posted by u-sound

interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?

Yes, a T2 for each amplifier, so two T2s. I imagine he simply plugs the amps into one of the AC outlets on the Typhon T2, but he didn't specify. The amps also have dedicated Altaira SG hubs, one for each amp.

He uses an Everest for all the other components. The Everest is sitting on it's own Artesania rack, and the source components are also on their own Artesania rack. Knowing him, I'd presume multiple Altaira hubs for the source amplification components, also. Omega PCs and CGCs all 'round.

Originally Posted by u-sound

do you know what pre he does use?

Nagra HD dual-mono preamp with external power supply.


My friend doesn't mess around...

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

Originally Posted by u-sound

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

I am using the Altaira Signal Hub on my Nagra HD DAC X, among other devices.

Regarding the Everest vs Denali v2/Typhon T2, doesn’t the Everest still have the advantage because of the CMode noise filter?

Originally Posted by u-sound

well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.

tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.

My guess is he's using Altairas everywhere. For components that don't have a dedicated ground termimal, you can use an unused interface jack, e.g. an XLR or RCA and connect those ground cables to Altaira. For a dual-mono pre like the Nagra, you'd use two, one for each channel. This is how I connect the Constellation Inspiration integrated, FWIW. For digital components that don't have a dedicated ground terminal, you can connect using an unused S/PDIF port, AES/EBU, USB port, etc. You can also connect Ethernet switches using an unused RJ45 port, as well, for example.

You should only use the Altaira ground hubs if there is a direct connection to AC ground and where you are connecting the hub. So XLR/RCA/etc may not be the solution if you don’t have direct continuity (<1ohm resistance) between the ground point and the AC ground pin on the power connector.

Originally Posted by Surge

You should only use the Altaira ground hubs if there is a direct connection to AC ground and where you are connecting the hub. So XLR/RCA/etc may not be the solution if you don’t have direct continuity (<1ohm resistance) between the ground point and the AC ground pin on the power connector.

Yes, that's correct, that's why you perform the continuity to ground test between the ground point for the interface (e.g. the outer barrel for RCA) and AC ground pin on the IEC receptacle with an ohm meter, first.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

My guess is he's using Altairas everywhere. For components that don't have a dedicated ground termimal, you can use an unused interface jack, e.g. an XLR or RCA and connect those ground cables to Altaira. For a dual-mono pre like the Nagra, you'd use two, one for each channel. This is how I connect the Constellation Inspiration integrated, FWIW. For digital components that don't have a dedicated ground terminal, you can connect using an unused S/PDIF port, AES/EBU, USB port, etc. You can also connect Ethernet switches using an unused RJ45 port, as well, for example.

Stephen,

Are you saying that you are using (2) ground wires from your dual mono Constellation integrated, left and right channels, to a SINGLE Altaira or are you using a PAIR of Altaira’s, one dedicated Altaira to each channel of the Constellation? Thx.

Jason


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Originally Posted by j3brow

Stephen,

Are you saying that you are using (2) ground wires from your dual mono Constellation integrated, left and right channels, to a SINGLE Altaira or are you using a PAIR of Altaira’s, one dedicated Altaira to each channel of the Constellation? Thx.

Jason

Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm using two Alpha ground cables with XLR tails connecting to the Inspiration's L/R XLR outputs, with each channel's Alpha cable connected to it's own "dedicated" zone on Altaira, and also two Venom RCA ground cables connected to a pair of unused L/R RCA inputs, and each of those Venom CGCs going to it's own dedicated zone on an SG Altaira, for a total of 4 connections to that Altaira. That Altaira is thus dedicated solely to the Constellation integrated, no other components, and is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

Similarly, I have the Lumn P1 configured in a similar manner, with it's chassis ground terminal connecting to the "digital-dedicated" Altaira, along with a CGC connected from the S/PDIF input to that same Altaira. That "digital-dedicated" Altaira is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

So, the Lumin P1 and the Constellation each have their own dedicated SG Altaira.

Ideally, though, as you've noted, if I had the budget, I'd have an SG Altaira dedicated to each channel of the Constellation. That would be the optimal set-up.

And let me tell you, connecting the Constellation to it's own dedicated Altaira takes it to another level ALTOGETHER...whoa.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm using two Alpha ground cables with XLR tails connecting to the Inspiration's L/R XLR outputs, with each channel's Alpha cable connected to it's own "dedicated" zone on Altaira, and also two Venom RCA ground cables connected to a pair of unused L/R RCA inputs, and each of those Venom CGCs going to it's own dedicated zone on an SG Altaira, for a total of 4 connections to that Altaira. That Altaira is thus dedicated solely to the Constellation integrated, no other components, and is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

Similarly, I have the Lumn P1 configured in a similar manner, with it's chassis ground terminal connecting to the "digital-dedicated" Altaira, along with a CGC connected from the S/PDIF input to that same Altaira. That "digital-dedicated" Altaira is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.

So, the Lumin P1 and the Constellation each have their own dedicated SG Altaira.

Ideally, though, as you've noted, if I had the budget, I'd have an SG Altaira dedicated to each channel of the Constellation. That would be the optimal set-up.

And let me tell you, connecting the Constellation to it's own dedicated Altaira takes it to another level ALTOGETHER...whoa.

Got it, understand now. Glad to learn that a dual mono pre/integrated can have each channel connected to a single SG Altaira, each channel to a separate zone on same Altaira. If one desires, can separate L/R on separate Altaira’s down the road. This just made my path a little easier. Thanks.

Jason


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Originally Posted by Surge

I am using the Altaira Signal Hub on my Nagra HD DAC X, among other devices.

thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)

Originally Posted by u-sound

thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)

I can't speak for Surge's experience, but everything I've connected an Altaira to results in improved audio quality. Some device connections provide a greater magnitude of improvement than others, so experiment and see what works best in your specific configuration. Even my connecting EtherREGEN's ground terminal provided an improvement (actually connecting ER made for a notable improvement).

It is very important for both safety and application reasons, to read the various and comprehensive guides from Shunyata before installing Altaira(s) and making connections.

Bear in mind that for some components, e.g. my Oppo BD-83SE, which does not have a ground pin in the IEC AC receptacle, you should not connect that component to an Altaira.

Any other review or personal experience ? Interested but still have concern on price vs benefit

Originally Posted by Gondo101

Any other review or personal experience ? Interested but still have concern on price vs benefit

It's only been recently released for sale into the marketplace, so it might be a bit early to expect reviews from folks that have bought one...

Originally Posted by kennyb123

That’s why I suggested you seek out reviews of the QR.

The key technology in each of the Typhons is the Noise Isolation Chamber (NIC). If you progress through the reviews you will find that Shunyata was able to make their ferroelectric material more effective. And since they can use less, they are able to lower the price and thus deliver a bigger bang for the buck. Plenty has been written about the benefits this technology brings so, as I see it, there’s not much mystery about what to expect. Shunyata’s recent track record makes it even less of a mystery as each of their recent products have set a new level of performance at their respective price points.

A number of reviews mention how the Everest improves upon the Denail v2. Shunyata themselves claim that the Denali v2 plus Typhon T2 are roughly on par with the Everest, so one could find out exactly how the T2 might close that gap by checking out those reviews.

Very well-described, Kenny.

Another thing that Shunyata does is to cascade their innovative techologies down into "lower-level" product lines over time, so that a larger customer base can access these new technologies. Other good examples are the TAP and HARP technologies, which when originally introduced, were only avialable on the Sigma line of ICs and speaker cables, but now is available on the Alpha product line.

Originally Posted by u-sound

thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)

The ground terminal is only on the power supply, so that’s all I grounded.
I unfortunately grounded a few components at the same time - I didn’t check the difference from each component (I should have);

What is the difference between the Denali outlets and the T2 outlets when both units are connected?
Is it better to connect an amp into the T2 or the Denali?

The T2 is made for amps so that is where they go firstly.

Right, but we know filtering is additive when the Denali and T2 are connected (Richard confirmed this). Are they additive in both directions? In other words, is the QR/BB & NIC filtering out of the T2 taking into account what’s in the Denali? Because we know that’s how it works the other way (with components plugged into the Denali).

What you wrote makes complete sense to me, thanks.
Now, Shunyata says QR/BB modules are indeed additive. They recommend amp into Denali; but also trying into the T2 directly and seeing which is best.
I can obviously do that, but wanted to know if there’s a clear recommended path, and it’s not clear that there is.

(Have you also tried pulling a tight fitting plug from a Denali, with the Cable Cradle in place? Very difficult, as it’s hard to grasp the plug…! The Kondo “Avocado?” Silver cord I am using for the DarTZeel amp is very tough to pull out… I will have to remove the Cradle next time.)

Originally Posted by kennyb123

The other thing to keep in mind is that amps dump a lot of noise on the AC....

Yes, they sure as h*ll do! Much of the noise comes from the full wave bridge rectifiers of the amps themselves...particularly during demanding or dynamic passages. And, that noise goes OUT of the amps upstream to contaminate the source components with noise. It's AC...the current goes BOTH ways. Moreover, the noise is overlaid on TOP of the signal itself, as shown in these examples; it does not hang out way down "in the noise floor"....

I just finished the second session with a Typhon T2. Individual instruments are notably more fleshed out and fuller (not overly bold). Overall dimensionality is improved quite a bit. The dimensionality can be heard with soft passages also. The sound is not just defined by more power. It is of better quality. The space delineation is analogous to that produced by an amp with a very good power supply.

I have used Shunyata power cords for some years. For conditioners, a Denali 6000S V1 was the first Shunyata with a media player, a DAC, and an amplifier plugged into it. Because of the distance to two 20-amp outlets, I used one conditioner. The first revelation happened when the amplifier was separated onto a 2000T on its own circuit. The soundstage expansion must have been more than 10%. The 2000T was later replaced by a 6000S V2, and the 6000S V1 was replaced by another 6000S V2. Through these changes, the improvement could be described as incremental. No aha moment like adding the 2000T was re-experienced. I was happy with two 6000S V2 on separate circuits. Now this Typhon T2 produces another revelation. The T2 must be among the most successful Shunyata products.

For the poster inquiring about an S250 MXV, the feedback above with 2000T is related to an S250. All later configurations are related to an S250 MXV into a 6000S V2 or Typhon T2. The manufacturer probably advises against conditioners because most restrict current. I have not experienced that with QRBB. I heard my dealer's more robust pair of M400s (now M400 MXVs) many times. I am not sure if he has the flexibility to use dedicated lines or the QRBB feature. I do not recall that setup producing the kind of dimensionality. I don't covet M400 MXVs based on the result achieved.

Originally Posted by Dizzie

Am I correct the Typhon T2 was added to a 6000S V2? What equipment was on the combination? My system is split to two walls and two power conditioners. A T2/Denali combination would not have much plugged into it on either wall.

My understanding from Caelin's past and recent postings and the conversation with Shunyata is that it is best to have two dedicated circuits feeding separate power conditioners. I started using two conditioners on two dedicated lines with a 2000T + a 6000S V1 and continued with this setup. My current T2 and 6000S V2 are not connected by an umbilical cord. The T2 feeds a stereo amp and the 6000S V2 feeds a digital media player and the outboard power supply of a DAC. I have found that I can lower the volume by 2 dB and achieve the same satisfaction of a live concert as before. That is a bonus to preserve hearing.

I’m also running a T2 with 3 Meridian DSP 8000/7200SE active speakers and a 6000T V2 on separate circuit for the frontend. I came from 2 Triton V3 on separate circuits.
I put one Triton V3 on my back DSP7200SE speakers, projector and workstation/DAC/Jade-2 headphones. That was a major upgrade.

I did numerous upgrades on the cabling of the system so I can’t attribute all to the change of the powerconditioners. But there is a new level of smoothness and delicacy of the performances as well as grip in the bass. I usually analyse the sound easily but I’m being completely disarmed and just listening to the performances.

Originally Posted by Crion

I’m also running a T2 with 3 Meridian DSP 8000/7200SE active speakers and a 6000T V2 on separate circuit for the frontend. I came from 2 Triton V3 on separate circuits.
I put one Triton V3 on my back DSP7200SE speakers, projector and workstation/DAC/Jade-2 headphones. That was a major upgrade.

I did numerous upgrades on the cabling of the system so I can’t attribute all to the change of the powerconditioners. But there is a new level of smoothness and delicacy of the performances as well as grip in the bass. I usually analyse the sound easily but I’m being completely disarmed and just listening to the performances.

I love it when that happens. That's what happened with I installed my Everest, and then again my segmented Altaira system. Then, getting the Lumin P1 just took things to another level.

Has anyone with the T2 + Denali v2 connected pair experimented with connecting an amp into the Denali vs T2?