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June 1, 2020, 09:23 AM #1
Shunyata Research Announces Everest
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June 1, 2020, 09:24 AM #2
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June 1, 2020, 09:24 AM #3
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June 1, 2020, 09:25 AM #4
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June 1, 2020, 09:40 AM #5
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CG/SR - I look forward to your success with this product, God Speed!
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June 1, 2020, 09:41 AM #6
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If you would like to see the backstory visit this thread:
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And early feedback from PumaCat:
We've reached the Summit and...it's Everest!
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June 1, 2020, 09:44 AM #7
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Congrats Caelin and team. From a loyal customer and Denali 6000T owner this is an eventual upgrade for me.
Thank you keeping the tower form factor the and price below 10K US MSRP :-)
The silver is wonderful looking in pictures and i'm sure much so in person.
Can't wait to start reading reviews and owner impressions soon.
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June 1, 2020, 12:13 PM #8
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What is the relationship between the six zones of isolation and the eight outlets?
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June 1, 2020, 12:27 PM #9
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Zone 1 consists of top two outlets
Outlets 3 & 4 are individual isolated zone 2 and zone 3 respectively
Outlets 5 & 6 are individual isolated zone 4 and zone 5 respectively
Bottom two outlets 7 and 8 constitute zone 6
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June 1, 2020, 12:36 PM #10
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Are these all HC outlets or is it only Zone 1 and 6?
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June 1, 2020, 01:01 PM #11
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June 1, 2020, 01:15 PM #12
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Thanks. In that case, just curious why Zone 1 and 6 are not subdivided like the middle two outlets?
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June 1, 2020, 03:24 PM #13
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I have already contacted my dealer and he has confirmed they will be ordering a demo unit which I can try in my set-up. My plan is to compare it against my 6000T which has everything save for my amps connected. I will then give the Everest a go with my amps plugged into the unit. With the 6000T I preferred the amps direct into the wall. Looking forward to the A/B.
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June 1, 2020, 03:42 PM #14
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June 1, 2020, 03:56 PM #16
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June 1, 2020, 04:01 PM #17
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Jim
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June 1, 2020, 04:04 PM #18
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mr. caelin, just to clarify, the everest is designed to take the amp as well, isnt it?
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June 1, 2020, 04:13 PM #19
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June 1, 2020, 04:32 PM #20
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June 1, 2020, 04:37 PM #21
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To be fair, you are using amplifiers that are capable of doubling current into halved loads. 300 to 600 to 1200. And that requires massive amounts of current for a couple of mono blocks. Therefore, the amplifiers should be connected to their own dedicated line. When you plug the amps into the Denali you have essentially cut the total current potential in half. And that does matter when you are using amplifiers of that capacity.
And I would refer you and other to this post that I made regarding the cable feeds the Everest. The same issues also apply to using multiple dedicated lines. Total current capacity is important especially when using these magnificent amplifiers that really should have their own dedicated line.
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June 1, 2020, 04:45 PM #22
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June 1, 2020, 04:54 PM #23
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June 1, 2020, 05:54 PM #24
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It’s not necessarily about being their on own line. It is about total, aggregate, current capacity.
If you have a single dedicated Line that is 30A rated it will perform as well as two 15A rated lines. That being said there are some noise related advantages to running multiple lines for the audio system.
If designing a room from scratch or remodelling, I always recommend two dedicated lines for an audio system. One line for source equipment and one for the amplifiers as Jim has done.
Someone might say, “Well, if the circuit breaker doesn’t blow then the single is capable of running the system just fine.” Not true actually if you are looking for best sound quality. For instance a typical 15A circuit will have 14 gauge wire in the wall. Let’s say that your audio consumes about 50% of the total continuous capacity of that line, so about 7-8 amps. This is well within the rating and safety for that line. However, this does not take into account the DTCD behaviour. As you use more of the capacity of the line it’s DTCD headroom will be reduced which is needed by high current amplifiers. This is due to current compressive effects caused by the DC resistance and the impedance of the wiring in the wall and to a lesser degree the thermal breakers in the electrical panel.
So two lines gives you more DTCD capacity which you will hear as more dynamic headroom for your system.
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June 1, 2020, 05:54 PM #25
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June 1, 2020, 05:59 PM #26
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June 1, 2020, 06:04 PM #28
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while there is a thx bottom, i like to do a loud
THX FOR THIS LONG EXPLANATION!!
it did enhance my understanding of the whole
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June 1, 2020, 09:01 PM #29
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June 1, 2020, 09:04 PM #30
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It's listed on the website assuming you are in the US
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June 1, 2020, 09:35 PM #31
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Many people speculated that the price would or should be $15-20K. If we priced our products based upon their performance and build quality it would certainly justify that price level. However, we have a different philosophy of pricing based upon our production costs and a reasonable profit.
US Retail - $8,000
International pricing is set by each country’s distributor. For those that don’t know, US retail prices do not include taxes and VAT. So for instance, EU prices would include customs fees, VAT and transportation costs plus distributor markups.
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June 2, 2020, 01:46 AM #33
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Why would they?
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June 2, 2020, 02:50 AM #34
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Just out of curiosity and in the past Caelin has shared the internal picture of Denali 6000/s v2, and why not ☺️
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June 2, 2020, 02:57 AM #35
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Because competitors from other countries follow this forum also and the Everest hasn't even reached the market yet. I wouldn't think he would want a Far East competitor attempting to reverse engineer from interior photos. What good would those interior photos do you anyway?
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June 2, 2020, 03:09 AM #36
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My curious mind would also like to see the internal photos. As for reverse engineering. Presumably their product patents would protect them from reverse engineering. And I don't recall fake Shunyata gear popping up anywhere. Unlike some other brands like PS Audio and Audioquest and a few others that have their cable products copied.
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June 2, 2020, 03:09 AM #37
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Well, I don’t think they can reverse engineering based on photo only.
I requested internal photo of denali 6000sv2 in the past (post #64 in link below) and Caelin was happily provided the photo, of course it is up to Caelin, but again, why not 😁
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June 2, 2020, 08:30 AM #38
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June 2, 2020, 08:57 AM #41
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June 2, 2020, 09:02 AM #42
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Yes, to keep production cost down we use certain components across multiple products. That’s how we make products at half the expected price points.
The coffin is used in the Alpha, Sigma, Denali and Everest products. What’s in the coffin varies according to the specific product. But as you can see it was designed to be modular for 6 zones.
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June 2, 2020, 09:12 AM #43
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June 2, 2020, 09:52 AM #44
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Supercharged QR/BB is possible
CMode due to massive size can’t be done.
And Everest exclusive for now.
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Thanks Caelin,
I will stop now 😊
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June 2, 2020, 10:36 AM #46
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First off I own a Triton V3 and Typhon v1. Very nice products and I plan on evaluating and most likely upgrading to the Everest. I wanted to buy a Typhon QR back in February but it was discontinued (while being shown as available on the website). Major downer.
Being the curious type I gave the product pictured a try. (I am sure Caelin has fully dissected it). To me it seems to be too strong if that makes sense. It really seems to steal dynamics from the system. There are a lot of different ferroelectric materials that absorb HF noise. The different materials also have peak absorption in different frequency bands. I am not sure exactly what "mix" Shunyata uses nor do I know what "mix" this product uses. But I would make a strong guess that the material used in the two products are not the same. Anybody can order a copper tube, ferroelectic, a wire and epoxy it all together and hope for the best. Do this a few hundred times to get the "best" mix and you might end up with something that sounds as good as the Typhon. I think part of what you pay for is that fact that Caelin has probably ordered every type of ferroelectric and found the best mix through a lot of trial and error as well as measuring the impact.
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June 4, 2020, 01:06 PM #48
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As you have pointed out, no product’s performance is dependent upon one part or one technology. Everything matters. It takes knowledge, time and patience to design a great product.
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June 4, 2020, 11:13 PM #49
Everest on the way and question for Caelin
My Everest will ship next Tuesday along with an Omega XC to use with it. Since I already own a Typhon QR, I’ll see if the Everest sounds better alone or with the Typhon into its dedicated 20 amp AC line with of my front end gear (2 DACs, SACD Transport, preamp and music server) and compare with the Typhon/Denali 6000v2 which I’m using now.
I plan on doing everything on a stepwise basis; first using the Everest into the Typhon with my original Sigma v1 power cord and Sigma umbilical cord. Then I’ll try the Everest with the Omega XC from the wall outlet with the new Sigma Reference umbilical cord from Typhon to Everest. Finally I’ll use the Everest sans Typhon with both the original Sigma v1 and then with the Omega to see what the Omega adds to the mix . Maybe the Typhon with the Everest will then become redundant and no longer needed?
Caelin, I do have a question for you for upgrades down the line:
Since your new line of power cords have just came out and very few are in the field and I know that this is impossible to know without trying first, do you think that upgrading the Sigma v1 PCs to the Reference NR into both of my DACs (Ayre QX-5 & PS Audio DirectStream) might make a larger improvement than the the Omega NR’s to my Ayre R series mono-block amps which run on their their own dedicated 20 amp AC circuits or try the Omegas with my Ayre amps first? In other words, if it were you, which would you try first? Thanks and appreciated.STEREO: Roon Nucleus, DCS Rossini DAC & Clock, Ayre KX-R TWENTY, Ayre MX-R TWENTY, Sonus Faber Stradivari speakers, WireWorld Platinum Eclipse 8 interconnects, and speaker cables, Shunyata Research Omega power cords, Shunyata Everest power distributor with Omega power cord, Dedicated 20amp AC lines with Oyaide Duplexes.
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June 4, 2020, 11:41 PM #50
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RE: Testing Everest Combinations
My advice is to remove all power devices and test the Everest by itself, first. Give it a good week to settle (burn-in). Use it with the Omega XC so they can both settle together. They are new and will change rapidly in the first week of use. So you want them to stabilize before making any judgements. This also gives a good amount of time to really understand what the Everest / Omega are doing.
Then, after that, reintroduce one component/cable at a time to hear what they do or don’t do for performance.
RE: PC Cable Upgrades
Every cable matters to overall system performance. The cable that matters most in not necessarily a “type” of component as in amplifier or source component. It is rather a complex contextual decision matrix that is individual to each system. Generally speaking the cable that has the biggest impact will be the cable that is the poorest or weakest performing cable in the system. When you upgrade that cable is when you will say OMG. Unfortunately, it also gives you a false sense of knowing that the component is the most important component in the system. When truthfully it was simply that the power cable for that component was underperforming compared to the others in the system.
This is why I advise upgrading PCs in a balanced method. Choosing a level of performance that you can afford to apply across all components instead of buying a very expensive cord for your amps and then skimping on the components. Buying power cables at a lower price level but applying them across all components will give better overall system performance than using a very expensive cord on a single component.
There are certain digital components that don’t follow this rule but those are all computer audio related.
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