Thread: Shunyata Research Announces Everest

Originally Posted by CGabriel

RE: Testing Everest Combinations

My advice is to remove all power devices and test the Everest by itself, first. Give it a good week to settle (burn-in). Use it with the Omega XC so they can both settle together. They are new and will change rapidly in the first week of use. So you want them to stabilize before making any judgements. This also gives a good amount of time to really understand what the Everest / Omega are doing.

Then, after that, reintroduce one component/cable at a time to hear what they do or don’t do for performance.

RE: PC Cable Upgrades
Every cable matters to overall system performance. The cable that matters most in not necessarily a “type” of component as in amplifier or source component. It is rather a complex contextual decision matrix that is individual to each system. Generally speaking the cable that has the biggest impact will be the cable that is the poorest or weakest performing cable in the system. When you upgrade that cable is when you will say OMG. Unfortunately, it also gives you a false sense of knowing that the component is the most important component in the system. When truthfully it was simply that the power cable for that component was underperforming compared to the others in the system.

This is why I advise upgrading PCs in a balanced method. Choosing a level of performance that you can afford to apply across all components instead of buying a very expensive cord for your amps and then skimping on the components. Buying power cables at a lower price level but applying them across all components will give better overall system performance than using a very expensive cord on a single component.

There are certain digital components that don’t follow this rule but those are all computer audio related.

Thank you for the great advice with using the Everest alone with the Omega XC for a week or more so that they can settle in together. Sometime after that I will try the Everest with my Typhon QR with the new Reference Series v2 umbilical which is supposed to ship with my order. BTW, I didn’t ask my dealer, but is that upgraded Typhon umbilical an XC since the Typhon has so much built in noise reduction?

As for cables, that it great advice and what I try to do. Since my amps are on their own separate dedicated AC line, I auditioned a number of power cords with them and ended up with the one that sounded best with them. When I originally saw your announcement of the Omega NR with all of it’s built in technologies, I wanted to audition a pair for my amps to compare with what I’m using now and probably the direction which I will go next.

Originally Posted by Crion

RLF, having the new Sigma XC's here into Triton V3's and Alpha V2 NR on source/preamp I can attest to that what you are proposing would take considerable time. I've had the new cables for 2 weeks and I'm still adjusting to what happened!

I would also say, if you are serious about using the Typhon QR, get an XC umbilical for it, and with your setup an Omega actually makes sense. I came from Sigma HC's and this is a new beginning. Thankfully Shunyata KPIP process takes care of the hard-burn in period but still, you will notice obvious things settling in.

I don't understand what you are referring to as new Sigma Reference umbilical cord, is that a Sigma XC? In that case you have what you need.

I would simply connect as this first and let it settle for 2 weeks:

Omega XC->Typhon QR->Sigma/Omega XC->Everest.

If you later want to verify which part is doing what that is fine, but let the new stuff settle in good before swapping things around because your old HC's and equipment are already settled in.

Thanks for the report on your new Sigma XC and Alpha v2.

As you can see from Caelin’s advice above, I plan on using the Everest with the Omega XC to let it settle in before even considering experimenting with my Typhon. I have ordered the upgraded “Reference XC Series v2” umbilical for the Typhon for eventual evaluation use/trial with the Everest.

From the Shunyata website, they name what I assume is the new Sigma v2 as the “REFERENCE NR/XC Series v2” and it’s the Reference v2 XC which I’ve believe was ordered for my Typhon umbilical. Maybe Caelin can chime in too about the naming of the umbilical too? I am also going to check with my dealer about it. Fortunately, my dealer has a lengthy trial period for all of his products.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Excellent post, and your guidance as to how to proceed with evaluating Everest (first by itself as "the control") is also excellent from the pespective of sound scientific experimental design.

+1 to Caelin’s advice above.

-sorry, double post-

I received my Everest last Tuesday. I really like it's looks. Yes - it's tall. Lets get that out of the way.

I also got an Omega CX w it in the grey. It's a good looking combo. IMO

First day I replaced my Typhon QR/Triton 3 with just the Everest no CX. The space that it gave off was just amazing. It didn't have the treble smoothness and the bass wasn't as tight. But the depth and soundstage width and height was awesome. As I know how Shunyata products settle, I wasn't worried about the smoothness and bass.

After a couple days, it went so much past the typhon/triton in smoothness/bass. I then put in the Omega CX, at first it went back a little in smoothness. And after another 3 days - well .... it's definitely a different level. Just incredible! I'm pretty certain that over the next couple weeks it will even improve that much more. I had to leave Sunday with only 5 days on them. But I cant wait to get back next week to listen.

Well done Caelin.

As a side note - in the past with Shunyta cables, I never noticed a period of settling of a cable after it was moved. With the Omegas - it seems to take some hours after you move it to sound it's best. I redressed the existing 2 omega cables I had and the system performance went down. By the next morning it was back. This has happened 3 times now with the Omegas. Anybody else finding this?

I haven't had this to this extent since the old Cardas Golden speaker cables way back when. Yes - I'm old.

Congrats Jock! Can’t wait for your follow up comments as Everest and the new cable continue to settle down.

I think I’ve owned every power cable made by Caelin and his team over the last 10 years. Amazingly, every generation has gotten better. And, I really appreciate that prices have not gone crazy high; although, Omega is up there.

Originally Posted by Ritmo

Congrats Jock! Can’t wait for your follow up comments as Everest and the new cable continue to settle down.

I think I’ve owned every power cable made by Caelin and his team over the last 10 years. Amazingly, every generation has gotten better. And, I really appreciate that prices have not gone crazy high; although, Omega is up there.

Omega is high priced, but if I correctly understand its performance then it is less expensive than what it would replace. Currently, for each amp I have a Denali 2000 and two high end Shunyata cords for a total of two Denali 2000s and four power cords. With the Omega that would be replaced by two Omegas, one for each amp. Assuming I correctly understand the Omega's purpose.

I believe you are right.

Originally Posted by the professor

I received my Everest last Tuesday. I really like it's looks. Yes - it's tall. Lets get that out of the way.

I also got an Omega CX w it in the grey. It's a good looking combo. IMO

First day I replaced my Typhon QR/Triton 3 with just the Everest no CX. The space that it gave off was just amazing. It didn't have the treble smoothness and the bass wasn't as tight. But the depth and soundstage width and height was awesome. As I know how Shunyata products settle, I wasn't worried about the smoothness and bass.

After a couple days, it went so much past the typhon/triton in smoothness/bass. I then put in the Omega CX, at first it went back a little in smoothness. And after another 3 days - well .... it's definitely a different level. Just incredible! I'm pretty certain that over the next couple weeks it will even improve that much more. I had to leave Sunday with only 5 days on them. But I cant wait to get back next week to listen.

Well done Caelin.

As a side note - in the past with Shunyta cables, I never noticed a period of settling of a cable after it was moved. With the Omegas - it seems to take some hours after you move it to sound it's best. I redressed the existing 2 omega cables I had and the system performance went down. By the next morning it was back. This has happened 3 times now with the Omegas. Anybody else finding this?

Congratulations on getting your Everest and thank you for your initial impressions.

I placed my order for an Everest & Omega XC for it on May 22. It was supposed to ship this past Tuesday, but my dealer has not received a tracking number for it yet. When did you place the order for your Everest?

I am currently running a Denali 6000/S v2 with a Typhon QR with a Sigma NR v1 on a dedicated 20 amp AC line from the wall outlet to all my front end components including my preamp. My amps are on their own dedicated AC line plugged directly into their own wall outlets. Once I get the Everest, I will compare it to the Denali/Typhon without the Typhon in the mix. I also ordered a Reference XC umbilical for my Typhon to eventually try it with the Everest, but that might be redundant?

Just curious, do you plan on trying your Typhon with your Everest once everything is broken in?

Originally Posted by RLF

...I also ordered a Reference XC umbilical for my Typhon to eventually try it with the Everest, but that might be redundant?

Yes, very redundant. I think you should sell it to me

Originally Posted by brodricj

Yes, very redundant. I think you should sell it to me

Originally Posted by Crion

The V2 cables do bring another level to the components and PD’s. There is no going back now! 

With what I gather from my Triton V3’s. The Typhon QR with Omega/Sigma XC umbilical will most likely perform on another level with V2 cables...

My guess too, but we shall see

@CGabriel

Hi.

Your above literature states that the Output Current Ratings is "Max Current/Outlet 15A U.S"..I was under the impression that there was unfettered output current. That is, if the Everest is plugged into a 30A dedicated line, then should there be a need, 30A can output the outlets. However, I might be confused.

Thank you.

I suspect the limitation might be due to the rating that is stamped on the inlet/outlet socket by its manufacturer. In much the same way as a device might be limited to 240 volts because the manufacturer of the inlet socket has stamped that on that part. The gizzards of the thing might cope with 270 volts, but because the inlet socket is stamped with a 240 volt rating, the 240 limit applies.

Originally Posted by Vinylshadow

@CGabriel

Hi.

Your above literature states that the Output Current Ratings is "Max Current/Outlet 15A U.S"..I was under the impression that there was unfettered output current. That is, if the Everest is plugged into a 30A dedicated line, then should there be a need, 30A can output the outlets. However, I might be confused.

Thank you.

Output enough current then you will melt the cable. Stick with the rating to be safe.

Thank you to you both...

So, if I was to get an Everest, I should not plug it into a 30A dedicated line? The duplex for the 30A line is a 20A hospital grade duplex that the electrician installed.

I plug my "basic" Essential Sounds The Essence cable into the 30A outlet into my Rowland Monoblock's 20A C19 and no melting so I obviously am not getting this.

Thanks.

No. Exactly the opposite. Plug your 20A device into a 30A line. Don't plug your 30A device into a 20A line.

Thank you. But I do not have any 30A devices. Unless the Everest is considered a 30A device? Below, its Maximum Continuous current is 30A but that may be line dependent.

I can't recall why my dealer recommended a 30A breaker and line. Perhaps it was in order to be able to use both outlets due to the higher current rating.
The duplexes are rated 20A 125V....

One thing I am curious about with the Everest is that on the one hand, Shunyata states:
"There are no current delivery restrictions of any kind within the Everest. Instead, DTCD® (dynamic transient current delivery) is markedly improved across all outlets."
Input Current Ratings
Maximum Continuous Current: 30A (US, AS)
Output Current Ratings
Max Current/Outlet: 15A (US, AS)

The Everest uses 15A duplexes and states that the Maximum Output Current is 15A U.S. Why not 20A duplexes to allow 20A from a 20A dedicated line to allow for transient peaks to amplifiers?

Maybe that is why many here recommend plugging big amps directly into a 20A dedicated line wall outlet?

Seems like a dichotomy. I must be missing something.

It's the electrical standard for the C19 connector, maximum current of 16A.

I see....So, is there any situation/set up that will allow a power hungy amp to draw 20A of current for transient peaks should that be necessary? Is it even possible for an amp to draw a 20A peak current?

I ask becuses the Torus RM20 toroidal regenerator has 20A duplexes and outputs 20A so it is a bit confusing. (But zones are not isolated).

Perhaps the Everest is rated at 30A because it acceps 8 components? And plugging it into a 30A line would benefit the Everest and the connected components?

Thank you for replying to my questions.

Originally Posted by Vinylshadow

...is there any situation/set up that will allow a power hungy amp to draw 20A of current..

Yeah, when you attach welding electrodes to the binding posts.

Well, so much for that idea!

So, amplifiers that are plugged into dedicated 20A line outlets aren't really capable of drawing 20A's I guess.

16A for transient peaks does the job....

I've read that most amps rarely pull more than 10A. My Model 12 monoblocks are 350W @ 4 ohm. Meager compared to some behemoths out there.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

I don't know what you mean by "headroom".

The QR/BB device in Everest is 3X larger than in Denali V2. The larger QR/BB device is a reservoir of charge for the components and the benefits from this larger device than in Denali is quite significant. The benefits from using an Omega XC are clearly audible, the presentation at the same gain setting on the preamp is measurably louder with increased dynamics and immediacy. The CMode filter in Everest, which is not present in Denali v2, also brings audibly significant benefits.

Agreed regarding the Everest itself (I continue to disagree with the position that a $10k power cord is required to get the benefits of the Everest). It doesn't matter if you're in an apartment (I'm in one atm). The Denali is not in the ballpark of the Everest, such that other than maybe giving a hint of what is possible, the Denali is not in any way going to give you a sense of what your system will sound like with the Everest.

two things:
A) my luxman separates do not have fuses (or ground lugs on the IEC for that matter) and
B) aftermarket fuses are very audible (none moreso than that in my PS10)

I watched a recent interview with Caelin and the San Francisco Audiophile society(excellent interview) where he said that if you DO NOT have dedicated lines, you should plug your amplifiers into the Everest. However, if you do, you should plug your amplifiers into the wall dedicated line duplexes. For more high current availability I believe is how he put it.

So, does anyone here plug their amps into the Everest?

Being that the Everest has a 30A breaker, what happens with transient peaks that are let's say 50A.

Originally Posted by Vinylshadow

So, does anyone here plug their amps into the Everest?

I have two amps, and each amp is on a dedicated 20 amp line. At first the amps were directly connected to the wall socket. Later I acquired two Denali 2000, one for each line, and the improvement in sound was obvious. Much better having the amps plugged into the Denali. Of course, it was more expensive adding two Denalis and two more power cords, but worth it.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

I have two amps, and each amp is on a dedicated 20 amp line. At first the amps were directly connected to the wall socket. Later I acquired two Denali 2000, one for each line, and the improvement in sound was obvious. Much better having the amps plugged into the Denali. Of course, it was more expensive adding two Denalis and two more power cords, but worth it.

Really? 2 Denali's and 2 Sigmas? That's A LOT of coin! You could have bought a new pre amp for that much!

Briefly, what did that arrangement bring vs amps plugged into the wall.

Did you ever consider selling all of it except one Sigma XC and buy an Everest?

Originally Posted by Vinylshadow

I watched a recent interview with Caelin and the San Francisco Audiophile society(excellent interview) where he said that if you DO NOT have dedicated lines, you should plug your amplifiers into the Everest. However, if you do, you should plug your amplifiers into the wall dedicated line duplexes. For more high current availability I believe is how he put it.

So, does anyone here plug their amps into the Everest?

Being that the Everest has a 30A breaker, what happens with transient peaks that are let's say 50A.

I have two dedicated lines, and one Integrated amp. I always plugged my amps in the wall, in one of my dedicated lines, the second for everything else. When my Everest arrived, I plugged my amp on it, and it sounded better. I was amazed. Everything I have is now plugged into Everest.

Originally Posted by Vinylshadow

Really? 2 Denali's and 2 Sigmas? That's A LOT of coin! You could have bought a new pre amp for that much!

Briefly, what did that arrangement bring vs amps plugged into the wall.

Did you ever consider selling all of it except one Sigma XC and buy an Everest?

It has been a few years since I added the Denali to each amp, so I have forgotten the specifics. I just remember the sound was better. More open, and clearer.

I consider power to be the foundation of a stereo. The better the foundation then the better the stereo, no matter what gear is being used. Any piece of gear will perform better with good, solid power.

Since I am retired now my income is less than when I was working. So, I will wait for the next generation of Shunyata gear before I think about upgrading.

Myself and Puma Cat have. The Everest builds on everything the 6000Sv2 gives you and just takes it to another level. More depth, blackness, layering.


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I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning the Everest. I think this whole power conditioner, power purifier, power regenerator whether a coffin sealed box or not, is a nebulous subject.

It's on the same level as power cables...

I need to get a power device and need to learn about them all. Thank you.

Originally Posted by TheOctopus

I have no reason to hate any company. I have Shunyata and Transparent in my system as well as many other brands from decades of experimenting. Asking how the tiny fuse fits into the scheme of things after a python sized power cord is hating?

I explained to you why, but as I expected, you don't listen. And if you really have no interest in "python sized power cords" then why bother posting in threads dedicated to those very "python sized power cords"?

And if anyone wanted to really read your typical blabbering on snake oil, and audio BS (stuff you likely save in your desktop and ready to copy / paste), there are better places to do that, places that you brought up many times around here and across the Internets.

Bottom line: what are you trying to accomplish? Stop with "asking questions", "want to learn" BS. It's a lame excuse to spew your snake oil screeching, and you KNOW it

This morning, I am fondly remembering the good old days of civility.

I sure love my Everest/Omega XC. I’m certain it was a big part in my digital sounding sooooo good.



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