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May 5, 2020, 03:31 PM #51
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In cases 2 & 3 above, the recommendation is to optionally upgrade the amp cable with the thickest, most expensive cable in the configuration rather than the XC cable to the distributor. Please explain.
If you have many components in the system (more than 4) then yes I would say to upgrade the power conditioner cable first, especially if the power amplifier has a rating below 100 watts or is a relatively cool running type.
But now we are getting into the: if this, then that, but what about, mine is different etc. I think the point was to give some good basic general rules.
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May 5, 2020, 04:00 PM #52
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Thanks for explaining the delivery chain! Makes all very much sense - that orders are pooled in batches, etc.
Regarding cable recommendations: The only thing that surprised me is that computer based components like servers would be fully served with a Venom.
=> Is there the underlying assumption that it is battery supplied so a better power cord would make no difference? Otherwise could you explain why that is the case.
And one last thing: With all the fine but expensive luxury wires. Of course it‘s best to have an all Sigma/Alpha system. But for us mere mortals like me that have other existing expensive cables like AQ Hurricanes, would it be sonically okay e.g. to have the other remaining standard cables replaced first and then maybe at a later point go e.g. all Sigma.
=> I‘m not per se interested in this very combination, but rather of a mix between Shunyata and some other fine AC cords, because I would expect not all customers will order straight away 4-5 Sigmas and call it a day. Have you experiences with such „combinations“?
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May 5, 2020, 05:08 PM #53
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May 18, 2020, 04:09 PM #54
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I asked the same question in the Denali thread but better to ask here.
Are the physical dimensions of the Everest 8000/T already finalized?
Also is the US version going to be compatible with Japan voltage?
Is the comment left 2 pages ago about good news for Denali users a sign that there is going to be an Everest 8000/S in a more classical horizontal form factor?
Thank you.
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May 18, 2020, 06:03 PM #55
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Yes
Also is the US version going to be compatible with Japan voltage?
Is the comment left 2 pages ago about good news for Denali users a sign that there is going to be an Everest 8000/S in a more classical horizontal form factor?
What I was alluding to in an earlier post is that there will be a “companion” device designed specifically for the Denali 6000/S. So anyone that already has a Denali 6000/S v2 may want to hold onto it for a bit.
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May 18, 2020, 06:21 PM #56
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Are you asking if I have experience with other power cords other than our own?
Yes of course.
Can I recommend other cables that I personally appreciate?
Yes. David Elrod and Cardas and Triode Wire.
There are others that are good but I don’t sit around thinking about it. And you know what they say, “if you don’t have anything good to say ....”
If you already have good aftermarket cords, should you replace the other stock cords first?
Absolutely. For years we have preached the gospel of eliminating ALL stock cords from the system even if it means buying less expensive models in order to eliminate all the commodity cords. You will get better overall power system performance if you use a reasonable baseline approach to power.
RE: Digital Components and power cords
This refers specifically to devices that generate or pass purely digital signals and do not convert analog to digital or digital to analog. So this excludes DACs and CD players. It would include; computers, disk arrays, monitors, NAS, ether switches, upscalers, clocks, etc.
These devices generally produce high levels of power line noise and they have very high order frequencies and harmonics. So they benefit from a power cord that actually, measurably, reduces noise. The Venom V14 Digital cable was designed “specifically” to deal with the type of noise that these device generate. These type of devices do not usually benefit from the larger gauge cables as a preamp or amplifier might.
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May 18, 2020, 06:38 PM #57
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Thanks a lot! Good news.
About the final dimensions of the Everest, is it too early to ask what these dimensions are?
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May 18, 2020, 06:53 PM #58
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May 18, 2020, 07:06 PM #59
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Thanks a lot! Looks like it may fit!
I guess that price is the remaining question. :-)
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May 18, 2020, 07:24 PM #60
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Re: Ascending to even greater heights
hmmm 12-15k ?
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May 18, 2020, 07:39 PM #61
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I am afraid that would be too much for me.
One of the major appeals of Shunyata, to me at least, has been top notch performance at reasonable price points. 12-15k would IMHO depart from this philosophy.
Even if there are certainly people who would be willing to pay this amount because I don’t doubt that the performance will be outstanding.
When I can I avoid buying from brands such as Audioquest or Crystal Cable because I see the price of their high end stuff as outrageous. They are exploiting the desire for perfection of elder man having saved money throughout their lives without obvious ways to spend it and I am not even sure they are delivering performance that is close to matching the amount they charge.
I see Shunyata at a very different position in the market. Real science and performance and a reak effort not to over charge.
I am sure that the Everest was complex to design and isn’t cheap to manufacture but 3 times the cost of the Denali would be disappointing to me at least.
Now of course they charge whatever they want. I am just describing my perception.
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May 18, 2020, 08:48 PM #62
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For reference, IIR, the initial prices for the Triton V3 and the Typhon QR, which an Everest can replace, were $9K & $9K respectively. So u-sound's estimates don't look unreasonable. Maybe we could hope for $10K.
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May 18, 2020, 08:54 PM #63
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Ok, maybe it’s just too rich for my blood then. :-)
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Everest has a bigger QR/BB than Typhon, really?
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May 19, 2020, 06:14 PM #65
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What I was alluding to in an earlier post is that there will be a “companion” device designed specifically for the Denali 6000/S. So anyone that already has a Denali 6000/S v2 may want to hold onto it for a bit.[/QUOTE]
Hi Caelin,
Will it be similar to Typhon QR? Can it be used with 6000/s v1?
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May 19, 2020, 11:38 PM #66
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May 20, 2020, 06:34 PM #70
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Caelin,
You are killing me
but at least could you please advice if 6000/s v1 will be benefited as well? Or only V2?
thanks[/QUOTE]
My purpose is not to cause pain, distress or irritation. Just to prevent people that have a perfectly great dance partner from dumping her for the new girl at the dance.
The Denali 6000/S is and will continue to be a ground breaking product at a very reasonable price. It will have a companion that will expand its capabilities and extend its performance envelop beyond anything currently available.
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May 20, 2020, 06:35 PM #71
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Caelin,
You are killing me
but at least could you please advice if 6000/s v1 will be benefited as well? Or only V2?
thanks[/QUOTE]
My purpose is not to cause pain, distress or irritation. Just to prevent people that have a perfectly great dance partner from dumping her for the new girl at the dance.
The Denali 6000/S is and will continue to be a ground breaking product at a very reasonable price. It will have a companion that will expand its capabilities and extend its performance envelop beyond anything currently available.
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May 20, 2020, 07:02 PM #72
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Hi Caelin,
Do you already know when the pricing of the 8000/T is going to be made public?
Thank you.
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That clears it up for me. I initially thought the hint was a hardware upgrade path for Denali V1 owners to V2. But it seems the hint is a Typhon like box that the Denali V1 will plug in too to give it Denali V2 performance. Correct me if I'm wrong but with this combination we are talking about exceeding Triton V3/Typhon QR performance?
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getting a little confused with all thouse models plugged to each other and v1 v2...
istn the everest alone just beating the whole current productline?
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May 20, 2020, 10:11 PM #76
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May 20, 2020, 10:58 PM #77
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Any chance of 6000T V2 still? Or that is out of the window?
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My purpose is not to cause pain, distress or irritation. Just to prevent people that have a perfectly great dance partner from dumping her for the new girl at the dance.
The Denali 6000/S is and will continue to be a ground breaking product at a very reasonable price. It will have a companion that will expand its capabilities and extend its performance envelop beyond anything currently available.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Caelin, I was only joking
but you read my mind, I am already happy with my 6000/s v1 and 2000/t combo, and with current situation, I don’t think I can change to anything else.
But of course, “poor man Omega power cord” will be great
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May 21, 2020, 04:16 AM #81
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My purpose is not to cause pain, distress or irritation. Just to prevent people that have a perfectly great dance partner from dumping her for the new girl at the dance.
The Denali 6000/S is and will continue to be a ground breaking product at a very reasonable price. It will have a companion that will expand its capabilities and extend its performance envelop beyond anything currently available.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Caelin, I was only joking
but you read my mind, I am already happy with my 6000/s v1 and 2000/t combo, and with current situation, I don’t think I can change to anything else.
But of course, “poor man Omega power cord” will be great
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May 21, 2020, 08:13 AM #82
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I'd guess that Shunyata has a "Denali QR" device in the works for their existing customers who want some of the Everest performance but, can expand on the Denali performance at their leisure.
Similar to the Typhon QR was to the Triton.
But, on a much smaller scale and more accessible price point.
I have a feeling the Everest isn't going to be cheap
Hoping its under 10K US MSRP but, I have a feeling considering it it is replacing Triton V3 and the Typhon QR in the lineup that it will be 10-15K US MSRP.
But, we will see.
Looking forward to reading more about the Everest in the future.
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May 21, 2020, 08:20 AM #83
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For those like myself not quite fluent in Shunyata past line up, what benefits did the typhon QR bring?
Thank you.
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Bernard
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May 21, 2020, 08:48 AM #84
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My purpose is not to cause pain, distress or irritation. Just to prevent people that have a perfectly great dance partner from dumping her for the new girl at the dance.
The Denali 6000/S is and will continue to be a ground breaking product at a very reasonable price. It will have a companion that will expand its capabilities and extend its performance envelop beyond anything currently available.
but you read my mind, I am already happy with my 6000/s v1 and 2000/t combo, and with current situation, I don’t think I can change to anything else.
But of course, “poor man Omega power cord” will be great [/QUOTE]
When funds allow, put a new Delta XC or Alpha XC on the Denali.
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May 21, 2020, 08:50 AM #85
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The **QR/BB™ is a patented device which dramatically enhances the perception of dynamic impact and timing when connected to amplifiers or other high-current electronics. The **QR/BB™ is unique in that it provides a local reserve of energy, or Coulomb charge, that mitigates the inductive reactance of the AC power line without using coils, transformers or capacitors. The **QR/BB™ acts as an instantaneous energy reserve when placed in-line with an AC power supply.
The Typhon QR has this on a larger scale. The bigger the QR/BB units the greater the effect they have. The Denalis have them on a smaller scale. I assume Everest will have the tech greater than the Denali units due to the physical form factor in size.
Bigger Box = Bigger QR/QBB that they can fit inside.
The Typhon QR would be the statement to this.
Shunyata gurus or Caelin please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Thanks, I understand now.
But currently both Typhon QR and Triton V3 are not sold anymore right?
Thank you.
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May 21, 2020, 08:56 AM #87
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For those like myself not quite fluent in Shunyata past line up, what benefits did the typhon QR bring?
Thank you.
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Bernard
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May 21, 2020, 09:00 AM #88
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Hi Caelin.
It seems logical to suppose that the new device that will complement the Denali 6000 S, will have the same form factor as them. If possible, I would ask it to be designed so that you could place them on top of each other without loss of SQ. Otherwise I think that the new device I will have to hold it from the ceiling of my living room, caught with a ropeFrancisco
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Thanks for the feedbacks.
One thing I don’t quite understand is why the Typhon QR was removed from the orderable products? From what I’ve read it feels like it would still be relevant and hasn’t been replaced by anything else in Shinyata’s line up as far as I can tell?
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May 21, 2020, 11:27 AM #90
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May 21, 2020, 11:40 AM #91
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The Typhon QR is large and heavy. It is quite expensive so only a few lucky people have had the good fortune to own one. We would like to make this technology available to a wider audience.
Time marches on.
Capabilities advance and production efficiencies improve.
I know it is all a bit mysterious at the moment but all will become clear soon.
When you see and hear the Everest the magnitude of what we have been able to accomplish in the last two years will be very apparent. Some reviewers already have it in-house. Some beta testers have had it for several weeks. They are chomping at the bit to talk about it but we have asked them to please refrain until we can prepare for launch and prep our dealers.
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Thanks Caelin,
I can definitely understand the intend.
But it may be a bit hard to make a purchasing decision now with what we know we don’t know. :-)
We know that at least 3 combinations are/will be available:
- the current Denali 6000/S V2 that I understand you see as being something like a mini Typhon QR + Triton V3 in a single box with a significant chunk of the performance at a much cheaper price
- the upcoming Everest in a vertical form factor that you hint will be superior to the Typhon QR + Triton V3 iat a lower price point to he revealed in June
- the current Denali 6000/S V2 + what I guess will be a Typhon QR V2 (that I assume could be combined with the Everest also). For this one both performance and price positioning are unclear. I would guess that the price of the Typhon QR V2 would probably be cheaper than the Typhon QR V1 but that Denali V2 + Typhon QR V2 as I call it, would still possibly be more expensive that the Everest and perform as well/even better? The value being in the possibility to buy the combo in sequence while having a horizontal form factor?
I know you probably cannot answer yet, but this is the kind of guess we are «*stuck*» with and it may impact decision to purchase an Everest.
So it may make sense when you communicate Everest pricing to give more info about what I call here Typhon QR V2.
Personally I am looking at replacing a PS P10 by something that would be significantly better, ideally in a horizontal form factor but still with best performance. So even if I could afford an Everest I would still hesitate if I don’t know how good/how expensive the upcoming Typhon QR V2 combo would be and roughly when it would become available.
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May 21, 2020, 05:51 PM #93
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It's a few weeks for full Everest details; what's the rush exactly?
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May 21, 2020, 06:04 PM #95
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The industry is like that, unfortunately. In most cases, you don't even know a new product is coming until it's announced as available for sale. What you're getting from Shunyata atm is waaaaaaaaaaay more info that almost any other manufacturer publicly gives about upcoming products.
The decision between Everest and 6000/S V2 plus whatever add on is released is ultimately is a question of form factor I would expect. If you've run out of shelf space, the Everest fits the bill. If you have shelf space or if you already have a 6000/S V2, you go for the 6000 V/2 plus the future add on.EMM Labs TX2 SE|DA2 V2| Ayre KX-R Twenty | D'Agostino Momentum M400 | Focal Maestro Utopia III | MIT Oracle MA | VH Audio | Shunyata King Cobra CX | Shunyata Everest | Harmonic Resolution Systems | CAD Ground Control
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I understand but when you don’t have either, could make an Everest work without that being optimal, would prefer an horizontal form factor but still want the best you end up waiting for more info.
Great if that’s not your situation but it happens to be mine.
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denali + typhon + 2 powercord in a 2 shelf rack makes a powerdistributor. nice if you like it truly big. and the expanses for the extra powercord. wouldnt buy it myself.
just from looking at it the everest sounds better as well. no evidence nor experience though.
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Thanks Caelin!
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