Thread: AC Power Cable "Break-In"

Originally Posted by NorthStar

I have two questions:

1. What is going on within the power cord that is producing the beneficial sound effect from "break-in"?

2. Why do cables sound different when touching carpets or curtains?

Bob, do you believe in psychoacoustics ?

Originally Posted by NorthStar

I have two questions:

1. What is going on within the power cord that is producing the beneficial sound effect from "break-in"?

2. Why do cables sound different when touching carpets or curtains?

One of my favorite comedy movies is Captain Ron, with Kurt Russell and Martin Short. In one scene Captain Ron (Kurt Russell) is starting the Diesel engine, and he says 'Diesels go thru oil like a sailor goes thru rum.' At this, Martin Short replies, 'Yes. Why is that Captain Ron?' And Captain Ron says, "Nobody knows."

That is the answer to your questions.

Originally Posted by Mikado463

Bob, do you believe in psychoacoustics ?

Yes. --- Psychoacoustics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by BlueFox

One of my favorite comedy movies is Captain Ron, with Kurt Russell and Martin Short. In one scene Captain Ron (Kurt Russell) is starting the Diesel engine, and he says 'Diesels go thru oil like a sailor goes thru rum.' At this, Martin Short replies, 'Yes. Why is that Captain Ron?' And Captain Ron says, "Nobody knows."

That is the answer to your questions.

Actually the answer of question #1 can be found in post #1.

As for question #2, I just don't know, yet.

Originally Posted by NorthStar

As for question #2, I just don't know, yet.

unless it can be proven in a controlled DBT….you can't ! , remember Bob, you believe in psychoacoustics !

I don't think we can measure everything we can hear. Maybe in 20 or 50 years. Who knows? I know that sounds odd, but there are things we just can't explain or measure, but we can hear the difference. Some may argue placebo affect.

Thank you Grant. What are some effective ways to minimize static differential?

Originally Posted by GrantS

As I stated before, I don't feel belaboring topics like these is great idea here, or in most forums on the internet. If you have great personal interest in these topics, you are always free to contact us directly, or read Caelin's published patents, one of which goes into some detail on question #2.

I respectfully disagree with you Grant. Having open discussions on audio forums about cables is good for the brain, good for the information, good for the education.

The answer to the first question was included in the original post you imported, so not sure why you are repeating it.

And yet you made a remark before regarding that ditto post of mine. ...And that exact same reference link was used by Caelin Gabriel himself.

The answer to your second post can be found in our published patent for the DFE products. I have used some of the information from our web to answer your question.



It is generally accepted that a field of static energy exists along carpeted floors and other household furnishings (Draperies, Furniture etc). Electrical and signal carrying wire also radiates a field of its own energy; for power cords this would be an EM field. Over a period of time a static differential can build-up. This differential can become enormous -- sometimes exceeding tens of thousands of volts. When an electrical signal is sent through the cable, the signal can become distorted or inter-modulated by the static electrical field differential between the cable and floor. This effect is similar to sending an electrical signal through a wire that passes through a powerful magnetic field. The distortion that results is quite audible with any quality entertainment system.

If you have further interest, I suggest sending us an e-mail or call our factory number.

Thank you.

Grant
Shunyata Research

Thank you.

* Open public audio forums are a great place to get educated.
That is one of the reasons we're here, just like you are here and that we're having a discussion.

P.S. I'm glad Grant that you took my questions seriously, because they both were.
Not everyone can see the way you see and hear and read.

Originally Posted by NorthStar

I respectfully disagree with you Grant. Having open discussions on audio forums about cables is good for the brain, good for the information, good for the education.

I concur ……….

Originally Posted by Mikado463

unless it can be proven in a controlled DBT….you can't ! , remember Bob, you believe in psychoacoustics !

See post #55 Dave. ... "It is generally accepted ... any quality entertainment system."

Grant, what audio forums are good for? ...Or aren't good for?

You guys do realize I work hard to invite and attract those in the industry to participate on our forum in order to educate us and answer our questions. You say you disagree, but you don't show any supporting measurements or studies either.

Suffice it to say, Caelin and Grant know a heck of a lot more about AC and DC cabling than any of us do. They live and breath this stuff for a living and they have said - they can't explain everything we hear - but it is generally accepted that breaking in a cable has positive sonic attributes and that has been my experience as well.

Thank you for your patience Grant.

Well said Grant.

Mike, I think that you are misinterpreting my involvement on this passionate subject.

Please, see my disagreement again; relating to.

We are intelligent people here among other intelligent people; so why Grant is saying that those topics shouldn't be publicly discussed on audio forums of the internet?
If we can find the answers to all our audio questions directly with the audio manufacturers, on their websites (or blogs), what good is it to have open audio discussions?

What is the Internet good for?

Originally Posted by NorthStar

so why Grant is saying that those topics shouldn't be publicly discussed on audio forums of the internet?

Because they don't lead anywhere. He outlined their belief and experiences as to cable burn in. He explained they can't measure everything. But still - people insist on arguing. What's the point? You can't disprove it either. If your experiences are different - fine. But otherwise we are just going in circles.

With all due respect Grant, I don't understand why you are so (I just don't know the proper word), regarding open questions and answers and discussions?

Is there a particular type of question that we should ask on open public audio forums of the internet?
Please, enlighten me because I'm a little at lost.

* I'm reading all the posts posted by Caelin Gabriel on open public forums, and even less open public ones.
What is important for me is the direct interaction between people asking questions for all to see, and the replies from the experts.
I learn way more effectively that way. Am I wrong in my deduction? ...I've been reading audio articles and reviews and all that jazz for over 45 years, and I know what's good for me, and what's better. ...And I don't feel alone.

Ok Bob, enough is enough !! If you don't believe as others , state your point and move on. We invite manufacturers to come here and state their experiences. We welcome them.

If you don't have anything positive to add, state your belief and let it go.

Thanks