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    Quote Originally Posted by Swisstrips View Post
    Archimago not sure his real name would change much of the data/facts presented. All of which is out out there in extreme detail for anyone to review or refute.

    My personal reasons have little to do with sound. If people like it, who am I to argue. However The business model and execution have a significant (negative) impact. Ask a mastering eng who spent his time and craft to get something perfected only to have it completely changed without any say or consent and is permanent.

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    In theory, doesn't MQA replace the mastering engineer? If we assume for a second that the album is recorded, it then goes to a Mastering Engineer for adjustment for final distribution, MQA assures us that the artist has signed off on this final Studio Master. So essentially, it removes the Mastering Engineer from the equation. So I ask, would you rather have some mastering engineer ultimately determine what you hear (based on format) or a final Master that the artist(s) have signed off on? This of course, as AJ has pointed out, assumes they are alive!

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    Over the last year, the only MQA music I’ve purchased was included as part of the latest Bob James CD. All of the MQA I’ve enjoyed is provided by Tidal.

    So, to me, it’s not a big deal one way or another. My LUMIN supports MQA (which did not cost any additional dollars) and I stream Tidal. I don’t find ALL MQA recordings to sound better than the originals (many do but not all). And, I certainly will not buy my music collection one more time; I’ll use streaming to enjoy the better MQA recordings.
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    Re: MQA Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    In theory, doesn't MQA replace the mastering engineer? If we assume for a second that the album is recorded, it then goes to a Mastering Engineer for adjustment for final distribution, MQA assures us that the artist has signed off on this final Studio Master. So essentially, it removes the Mastering Engineer from the equation. So I ask, would you rather have some mastering engineer ultimately determine what you hear (based on format) or a final Master that the artist(s) have signed off on? This of course, as AJ has pointed out, assumes they are alive!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6UPxNB8An6I
    If someone is waging $ in front of an artist??. Then again, who says the artist has any control over distribution or redistribution of their art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    In theory, doesn't MQA replace the mastering engineer? If we assume for a second that the album is recorded, it then goes to a Mastering Engineer for adjustment for final distribution, MQA assures us that the artist has signed off on this final Studio Master. So essentially, it removes the Mastering Engineer from the equation. So I ask, would you rather have some mastering engineer ultimately determine what you hear (based on format) or a final Master that the artist(s) have signed off on? This of course, as AJ has pointed out, assumes they are alive!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6UPxNB8An6I
    I doubt this is true, for many reasons, starting with the fact that a large number of artists with MQA recordings are dead! Also, the major labels are churning out MQA versions in large batches, just using "their" MQA encoders on their existing hi-res catalogs; the artists are no more "signing off" on them than they are on the original releases (which means some are, some aren't)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    I doubt this is true, for many reasons, starting with the fact that a large number of artists with MQA recordings are dead!
    You familiar with John Edward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    In theory, doesn't MQA replace the mastering engineer? If we assume for a second that the album is recorded, it then goes to a Mastering Engineer for adjustment for final distribution, MQA assures us that the artist has signed off on this final Studio Master. So essentially, it removes the Mastering Engineer from the equation. So I ask, would you rather have some mastering engineer ultimately determine what you hear (based on format) or a final Master that the artist(s) have signed off on? This of course, as AJ has pointed out, assumes they are alive!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=6UPxNB8An6I
    Why in the world wold you want to remove the mastering engineer. MQA sure as hell is not a mastering engineer, or I hope not. I don't follow your logic - the artists+ME have signed off on the final master. For MQA to come in and bulk undo everything that was mastered is so wrong. If that's their "authenticated" process, that's a lie and for the life of me don't understand how people are OK with that.

    If the artist processed with MQA from start to finish that's different (if that's even being done), but that's not what any of this is about.

    This hasn't even touched on the multitude of other items, but I digress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swisstrips View Post
    Why in the world wold you want to remove the mastering engineer. MQA sure as hell is not a mastering engineer, or I hope not. I don't follow your logic - the artists+ME have signed off on the final master. For MQA to come in and bulk undo everything that was mastered is so wrong. If that's their "authenticated" process, that's a lie and for the life of me don't understand how people are OK with that.

    If the artist processed with MQA from start to finish that's different (if that's even being done), but that's not what any of this is about.

    This hasn't even touched on the multitude of other items, but I digress.
    This is part of the topic that hasn't been discussed much. In my conversations with Mastering Engineer Bob Katz, he has been concerned about the role of the Mastering Engineer with respect to MQA. I am not either for or against the role of the Mastering Engineer as it relates to MQA, just merely discussing. DO NOT read anything into it. It's just curiosity on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    This is part of the topic that hasn't been discussed much. In my conversations with Mastering Engineer Bob Katz, he has been concerned about the role of the Mastering Engineer with respect to MQA. I am not either for or against the role of the Mastering Engineer as it relates to MQA, just merely discussing. DO NOT read anything into it. It's just curiosity on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I don't know about the technical side but I do know you can hear a difference. Remember when we were young and had eq. Or at least I did. The big ADA 20 channel one. Inevitabley we would, or at least most I saw were a smiley face. Accentuating the highs and lows. I just listened to Led Zeppelin Lemon Song. I let HQ player do what it could between the base file and the MQA remaster. My DAC is not MQA. The remaster is more clear and has a lot more high frequency information. However, In finding the original more flat, I also found I heard the swing and rythem of John Bonhams drums more "in the groove". I rolled with the band more.

    If the end of the graph is the addition of all that high frequency information, then I can see why many people gravitate to it. We think its added music. The clarity is another issue. It's nice and I don't see much reason to dislike it. But in the end, it's closing your eyes and getting into the groove that sets me free. Not analyzing the song. The original does it better, for me.
    In 1968-69 I remember sitting around in the basement with my friends (we were 13) listening to King Crimson and Led Zeppelin, on vinyl of course. I just listened to the Lemon Song on Tidal, Mqa and non, and I was struck how awful this recording sounds on my system. Robert Plant sounds like he's singing through a tin can. The Lampizator doesn't unfold mqa fully but I can't imagine it provides a significant improvement.

    It sounded a lot better in the basement in '69. Maybe my memory is colored. Maybe the vinyl master is also better? But one thing I'm sure of is that recorded music needs good recording and mastering. Everything else is secondary.
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