Lampizator Golden Gate

**wisnon** · October 20, 2015, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Hi Norman,

The Lampi GG's PCM is no doubt already great but Lukasz is never one to rest on his laurels. He probably won't be happy until he gets the GG's PCM to sound as wonderful as DSD. I'll be interested to see what happens. My K-01X should arrive in a few weeks. The upgrade from the K-01 was a no brainer. The hard decision will be next year on whether to purchase a G-01 master clock or a Lampi GG. Logic vs. lust.....hmmmm.

Ken

LoL

Too funny.

**Alpinist** · October 20, 2015, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Ken - the key is to demo a Lampi in your system. I'm certain Fred & Co. can make that happen.

I agree Mike. That's the best way to know for sure.

Did you ever look at that other clock for the Esoteric?

The SRS Perf 10? No, I never checked it out. I'd rather get the G-01 which has a better power supply and 22 MHz output option that sounds superior to 10 MHz.

Best,
Ken

**Alpinist** · October 21, 2015, 11:34 PM

What PCM DAC chip does the Lampizator GG use? Is this a well kept secret? Somebody must know.

Ken

**Harlequin** · October 22, 2015, 07:13 AM

Has Lukazs ever considered or explored the feasibility of Ethernet connection? as an customer option to USB.

**wisnon** · October 23, 2015, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

What PCM DAC chip does the Lampizator GG use? Is this a well kept secret? Somebody must know.

Ken

i don't…not sure anyone does.

**Audiophile bill** · November 22, 2015, 06:00 PM

Hi Audiosharks,

I have my golden gate coming tomorrow having been fitted with the new discrete r2r PCM engine - can't wait. This is going to be fun. Anyone else had this done or planning to?

**Alpinist** · November 22, 2015, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophile bill

Hi Audiosharks,

I have my golden gate coming tomorrow having been fitted with the new discrete r2r PCM engine - can't wait. This is going to be fun. Anyone else had this done or planning to?

Hi Bill,

Congrats! You may be the first around here. It will be interesting to hear how close the upgraded PCM engine gets to the DSD performance. Please keep us posted.

Best,
Ken

**Mike** · November 22, 2015, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophile bill

Hi Audiosharks,

I have my golden gate coming tomorrow having been fitted with the new discrete r2r PCM engine - can't wait. This is going to be fun. Anyone else had this done or planning to?

Congrats Bill! I've heard it makes the PCM sound as good as the DSD. We shall see. I'm considering a Big 7, Single Ended, Quad DSD, new case, new PCM engine.

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**dminches** · November 22, 2015, 08:27 PM

What is the R2R engine?

**Alpinist** · November 22, 2015, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by dminches

What is the R2R engine?

Here's a primer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor_ladder

Ken

**Mike** · November 22, 2015, 08:50 PM

Interesting. They mention inexpensive. Don't resistors impart their own sound? Seems counterintuitive to the approach with DSD. BUT - I've heard from someone who has a Lampi with the new PCM board that it IS a nice step up. Cool!

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**Ritmo** · November 22, 2015, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophile bill

Hi Audiosharks,

I have my golden gate coming tomorrow having been fitted with the new discrete r2r PCM engine - can't wait. This is going to be fun. Anyone else had this done or planning to?

Congratulations Bill! Can't wait to read about it.

**JDLaudio** · November 22, 2015, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophile bill

Hi Audiosharks,

I have my golden gate coming tomorrow having been fitted with the new discrete r2r PCM engine - can't wait. This is going to be fun. Anyone else had this done or planning to?

Add myself to that list. I've put my order in for a second Golden Gate, fully loaded......with the new r2r as well. My current unit is getting better each day, as the Psvane WE 101's break in. Playback is simply wonderful.

**wisnon** · November 23, 2015, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by JDLaudio

Add myself to that list. I've put my order in for a second Golden Gate, fully loaded......with the new r2r as well. My current unit is getting better each day, as the Psvane WE 101's break in. Playback is simply wonderful.

The new pcm seems to be more dynamic…ACrack thinks its a lot better, but even the old style has been improved too, so not sure of anything except that both pcms have stepped up a notch or 2. DSD is still my favorite, but not easy to tell them apart. All SE experience so far.

**JDLaudio** · November 23, 2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by wisnon

The new pcm seems to be more dynamic…ACrack thinks its a lot better, but even the old style has been improved too, so not sure of anything except that both pcms have stepped up a notch or 2. DSD is still my favorite, but not easy to tell them apart. All SE experience so far.

I'm ordering AES imput, balanced out......to the 211 Lampi monoblocks.

**Audiophile bill** · November 23, 2015, 05:10 PM

Well it is warming up super quietly in my music room but my baby is sleeping in the adjacent room in his basket so I am stumped today unless he wakes soon

**audio.bill** · November 23, 2015, 05:37 PM

I've got a feeling your baby may be awakening soon one way or another!

Best wishes with your newly upgraded GG DAC!

**Audiophile bill** · November 23, 2015, 06:00 PM

Well guys, I don't want to jump to any brief listening conclusions but I have a very wide smile across my face...

**Mike** · November 23, 2015, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophile bill

Well guys, I don't want to jump to any brief listening conclusions but I have a very wide smile across my face...

Uh oh. It's voodoo! Voodoo I tell you! Look away!

Glad it's sounding great Bill.

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**wisnon** · November 23, 2015, 07:16 PM

I didn't want to say a thing, but the secret's out!

**Alpinist** · November 24, 2015, 12:59 AM

Congrats Bill! I think the GG's new R2R circuitry will enable owners to enjoy native PCM without having to convert to DSD. In my opinion, this process always indicated that PCM needed to be improved rather than the discovery of a superior process. In any case, now you have two viable choices for PCM listening.

Best,
Ken

**Audiophile bill** · November 24, 2015, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

Congrats Bill! I think the GG's new R2R circuitry will enable owners to enjoy native PCM without having to convert to DSD. In my opinion, this process always indicated that PCM needed to be improved rather than the discovery of a superior process. In any case, now you have two viable choices for PCM listening.

Best,
Ken

Hi Ken and Sharks,

I believe that the new r2r PCM implementation (based on listening last night) is a significant improvement over my original PCM engine. I experienced:

> Great vividness and much more presence
> Signficantly more resolution
> More dynamic and propulsive bass

Together these bring it very close to the dsd performance but I still need a lot more listening time to draw final conclusions. The dsd engine always had this spooky clean resolution of the finest details yet with musicality and tone to die for - this PCM engine achieves the same trick. I am so thrilled because it opens up new options regarding necessity of upsampling to dsd of which I was a proponent - I need more time in order to reach any final conclusion but either way I am *very* happy. Hats off to Lukasz.

If you don't want to be arsed faffing with a PC and upsampling, I honestly believe that you can be thrilled now with native PCM. I would not be surprised if quad upsampled and a full blown bugheaded PC would pip it though. I am sure that Native DSD will be a different kettle of fish though but I am talking either native PCM or upsampled PCM - take this with pinch of salt though since I need to confirm but in all honestly a native quad dsd recording is something to behold.

**MarinJim** · December 13, 2015, 01:45 PM

Heads up guys. There is a perfect minty Golden Gate for sale on Agon for $11K. Awesome deal IMHO.

**Mike** · December 13, 2015, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by MarinJim

Heads up guys. There is a perfect minty Golden Gate for sale on Agon for $11K. Awesome deal IMHO.

Yours?

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**Mike Lavigne** · December 13, 2015, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Yours?

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Bruce Brown's.

**nicoludio** · December 13, 2015, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne

Bruce Brown's.

Oh ... any idea what is he switching to?

**Mike Lavigne** · December 13, 2015, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by nfnc

Oh ... any idea what is he switching to?

he has posted about his reasons on other forums, It's not for me to speculate.

**Mike Lavigne** · December 13, 2015, 05:00 PM

I tried to edit my above post but this forum really sucks with the edit feature. so here is the link I wanted to post.

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showth...ed-Golden-Gate

**joeinid** · September 8, 2016, 11:47 AM

Welcome astrostar59, thank you for joining.

**wisnon** · September 8, 2016, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by astrostar59

PCM or PCM upsampled to DSD?

Hi guys. I am getting a demo of the Golden Gate in the next day or so to pitch against my Audio Note DAC 5 Special. On the GG, is it best to listen to Redbook as is, or upsample to DSD first. I use a Mac Mini with a linear 12V DC supply and can feed it USB direct or via my M2Tech full stack via USB or BNC/Coax or SPDIF. So the question I guess is, is the new discrete PCM board as good as the well regarded Lampi DSD engine?

Play PCM and DSD native rate first before trying any upsampling.

If upsampling, use HQ Player. With Mac, you cant go above DSD128 anyway.

**bonzo** · September 8, 2016, 11:56 AM

Hi, what valves are you getting with those? Play natively first. Upsampling requires a lot of settings and computer power, if you are a newbie you might upsample incorrectly making it sound bad.

Also, what is the rest of your system?

**Musicfirst** · November 25, 2017, 12:01 PM

Hi guys, I have purchased another 3 pairs of Lampizator 5U4G rectifier tubes BNIB. I am selling them for $750/pair shipped anywhere in North America. PM me know if you're interested.

Kerry

**dminches** · November 25, 2017, 12:10 PM

Who makes those tubes?

**bonzo** · November 25, 2017, 02:20 PM

KR audio. In EU they are available at 320 EUR

**La Dolce Vita** · November 25, 2017, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by bonzo

KR audio. In EU they are available at 320 EUR

Sounds about right...for each. Kerry is selling these in pairs (qty 2) so not a bad deal!

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